I have Golovkin winning by stoppage in the 5th round. Too much power, Canelo would never figure out his defense, and can't fight on the backfoot. Thoughts?
GGG by how ever he wants to win. .he can beat u UD just by using his power jab. .by KO by working Canelo's body or shots to da head..Canelo won't be able to defend both da body n head since he has no movement in his legs. .vs Cotto he blocked cotto body shots with his arm but took lots of punches to da head..just small Cotto couldn't hurt him. .vs GGG I see Canelo taking a knee a few times on body shots. .n fight ending by stoppage..Canelo's a strong kid so ref will stop the fight for him. .3G by late TKO.
Alvarado hands down was worst. ..drug/weight issues and getting arrested.. .Rios was just mainly weight issues bc of long layoff and lack of focus..Rios doesn't have to retire just focus on boxing. .Alvarado needs to retire n go to Rehab. .not in Las Vegas doe.
We keep hearing how great this guy is, but the only title he has won was against Ishe Smith. Is that the standard for being a great fighter now? Beating Ishe Smith for a championship?
He isn't great. .he is one of the most skill fighters today. .and #1 guy at 154..name one at 54 better than him? Had Canelo cut the ring off on him like one dimensional Angulo did maybe he doesn't move as much. .look what happens ángulo faces bc of it. .The Punisher made him fight n it was a great fight. .if u don't make Lara fight he won't mind winning a boring fight...
All fighters care about belts. .if ur a named fighter u uses it to ur advantage during negotiations vs a side or b side. .Cotto did care about belts ..reason he fought Martinez. .reason he got the upper hand on negotiations vs Canelo. .plus imo he wanted da belt to bait Floyd into a rematch for the MW title. .bUT he got another $ fight with Canelo which guaranteed a big purse...Canelo also says he doesn't care about belts yet he pay day fee to fight for da belt....cotto had no intention to fight 3g ..he just pay day 800k so 3g step aside n let da Canelo fight happens. .had Cotto faces 3G there would be no Canelo fight right now or never...they all care but why pay day fee if ur gonna vacate after da W...plus if Cotto goes back to 154 bet he'll fight for one of Floyd vacant belts.
Talking about Cotto-Canelo, of course. I'll be watching it at my brother-in-law's house, who's sure to have a pretty big crowd of family and friends over for the event. Less than a week to go, and the atmosphere is already electric. Nobody really knows for sure who's really going to win. But one thing is for certain..... it's gonna be one HELLUVA fight. Action/quality-wise, it'll definitely be light-years better than Floyd-Pac. And I know some are looking forward more to Wlad-Fury (I'm looking forward to that one also). But with Wlad, you never know what you're gonna get. If they both come to fight, great. But it could always be a stinker of a fight, a la Haye, Povetkin, or Sultan. Whereas as we're pretty guaranteed that this fight will be great.
War Cotto!!!!!!!!!!
This fight don't guarantee nothing. .Canelo is a one dimensional fighter. .Cotto will be using the ring since Canelo can't cut the ring off. .uses in n out movement. .lateral movement. .go to the body a lot. .Canelo has no boxing skill advantage over Cotto. .his advantage are weight and maybe power too..only way Canelo wins is if he hurts Cotto or by robbery. .imo Cotto by UD and probably makes Canelo take a need ones with a body shot...I'm more excited about watching Rigo. .and the Fury vs Wlad
If LarryXXX knows his boxing why does he keep opening stupid threads and asking even more stupid questions?
The answer is: He DKSAB.
I'm waiting on the why is Rigo or Loma great thread next. .
We keep hearing how great this guy is, but the only title he has won was against David Lemuiex the rest were vacant...Is that the standard for being a great fighter now? Beating David Lemiuex for a championship?[
Well GGG is the best MW ..the other champs don't want to fight him. .unless the fight becomes as big as Floyd vs Pac type $fight. .and the only fighter da most ppl think can beat him is arguably the best p4p fighter(Ward ) at 168 right now ...next Question will be. .why is Rigo great...?
No version off Tito beats any Version of Floyd. .2015 version of Floyd UD tito to a boring fight..tito couldn't deal with movement reason Oscar school him. .yes he won via robbery. Nevertheless he got school. .tito wasn't elite..he just looked great vs stationary targets n over da hill Whitaker..I give tito a puncher chances like any other fighter or robbery.
Show me a middleweight who can make 155.
I don't buy this "Canelo is bigger" argument. If Canelo is bigger, then GGG shouldn't have a problem making 155, since the bigger guy can make that weight.
Not defending the catchweight bullsh*t. But, let Canelo come up to true 160 first, fight some middleweights, test the waters, then fight GGG.
GGG only calls out small dudes. 160 is weak, not impressed with his opposition at all. I'm okay with Canelo fight, but let him acclimate to division first, never even fought at 160 or fought a true middleweight, yet.
GGG isn't calling Canelo. .he's calling out da man with the belt..it's was Martinez 1st 3G call him out. ..then Cotto and 3G call him out..now it's Canelo. .3G is calling him out..he wants da belt..not da name..just whomever has da belt...Canelo is as big or bigger than GGG. .he just does same as Chávez jr uses to do..fight at lower weight bc that's their advantage in da ring..he's gonna continue to fight at 155 vs jrMW till he can't no more..same thing happened to 1 dimensional Chávez jr. .he had to moved up n fight fighters his size n look what happen to him for being 1 dimensional..canelo lack off skills won't effect him vs jr MW at 155 bc they won't be able to hurt or KO him..he couldn't even KO Cotto a Jr MW..canelo should vacate in a few days. . Then ask GGG for a CW at 155 in which 3G said he will do. .he just won't do 155 fight for MW belts..imo GGG beats him at any weight. .Canelo isn't or ever be ready for 3G..he lacks skills. Can't cut ring off yet. .n uses of da jab is weak..n da fact da he couldn't finish Cotto says a lot about his power.
I always felt Wlad couldn't deal with movement..Jennings imo would have beating Wlad with better movement but he just isn't that type of fighter...I wanted a small fighter with power n movement to show up n beat Wlad but there isn't on in da heavyweight class...once Fury vs Wlad got made it knew Fury could win bc of his movement reach power n height..just didn't think it was gonna be da easy..I mainly wanted to see da adjustments Wlad would make but he never did done...no work in da inside just held. .no jab to da body.
Wlad wasn't completely helpless against more mobile fighters. He handled prime Chris Byrd just fine, and handled a speedy guy with power in Haye.
Byrd used head n waist movement..stay basically in da pocket vs Wlad...he had good boxing skills. .but he didn't really uses his legs to move around da ring like Fury did. ..Haye was just power. .he ain't a good boxer. .vs Wlad he didn't use no jab or movement. .he was swinging for a home run all nite..not trying to set up anything...for a small fighter no beat Wlad he needs all type of movements..something similar like Tyson. .imo Wlad can win a rematch if he jabs to da body. .n do some work in da inside..he needs to fight like the smaller guy he is vs Fury
I can see it now canelo-cotto 2 in may nelo knocks him out in the 9th and gives the world the bhop look after his fight with pavlik...
Canelo doesn't have the power to KO Cotto. .he barely hurt him..it wasn't till da 12th that Cotto looked hurt n that was more of taking punches throughout da fight..Canelo power is overrated just like his 1 dimensional skills..by him figthing small Jr MW at 155 he will never get TKO or ko..Canelo is a super MW fighting small boxers at 155..as soon as he starts moving up in weight n fight fighters his size Canelo will get KO TKO just like Chávez jr bc they're 1 dimensional..they lack skills..Cotto landed good punches on Canelo he just couldn't hurt him..at 160 Canelo won't be able to take those same punches vs a fighter his size..so expect Canelo to vacate in a few days.
Probably too much of a risk for Cotto, he loses again and he loses some of his drawing power. Cotto fought well against a bigger opponent, he's still very marketable. Another win and he's right back there again. So strategically probably not going to entice Cotto right now.
Exactly. .Cotto fought well ..landed good punches to da head he just couldn't hurt the heavy Canelo..Canelo only landed abt 30 more punches...if Cotto does a rematch he'll probably ask Canelo for a rehydration clause off 170..which I don't see Canelo accepting...but expect Canelo to vacate da belt in a few days..he'll probably fight a Jr MW at 155
He beat Cotto, Lara, Trout, Angulo, Kirkland, Mosley and obviously the names are lacking so far at 25 years old but what he has accomplished, titilist in two weight classes, Ring champ in two weight classes. He has his biggest roadblock with Golovkin in 2016 hopefully after a testing the waters fight against a true MW like Lee or Lemiuex, then GGG. But I can't see how if he beats GGG, anyone other than Lara poses any threat to him.
So he got school vs Floyd..got a gift vs Lara. .he looked bad bc da rds he won was bc Lara took em off. .old Mosley don't even mention him..stationary Angulo was just a fight to make Canelo look good again after da Lara fight..Kirkland was inactive reason he got chosen by Oscar GB...I give him credit for da close W vs Trout even doe I didn't like da open scoring..n given him credit vs Cotto..wasn't impressed doe..he should had KO da jrMW Cotto..if Canelo is borderline then Danny García is too..he has a few gift n some good Wins..
Lemiuex can't make the CW(Canelo Weight 155)..but if he does..I see him being weak during da fight..and probably getting TKO He'll need a Floyd iV TUE to rehydrate just to feel normal... at full 160 he can beat canelo by KO or TKO. .if it goes to the cards. .no one beats Canelo on his cards. .Canelo has no jab or da power to keep Lemiuex off him..he can't just cover his body n take punches to the head like he did vs Cotto facing power guys at 160....I see Canelo getting KO TKO just like Chávez jr ones he moves up in weight. .he still a one dimensional fighter w some hands speed vs stationary fighters...the fact that he couldn't KO TKO smaller cotto says a lot about Canelo power moving up in weight.
ALL WRONG, let me educate you,
1. He has defeated 3 not 1 former champs (Geale, Ouma, Murray)
2. He has defeated 4 undefeated fighters (go look at boxrec)
3. Murray was current unified champ if it wasn't for blatant robberies + NOW Lemiux then mando for Cotto-Canelo then Lee said "lets do it"
4. He has beaten 8 top10, forget about 20,30. These r top10. goto https://archive.org/web/ and use waybackmachine and check RING, espn, tbrb and boxrec rankings. go on get busy. He is literally cleaning out the whole division
5. He is only 6 defenses short of breaking B-hops record defenses which will take about 1.5 year
6. He has never even been down in about 400 fights let alone out.
7. Amateur record of 345-5 with gold in World championship and silver in Olympics.
8. And now, Boxers that ducked/ducking GGG
1---Felix sturm - wouldn't fight him for over 2 years when GGG was mandatory.
2---Peter quillin - said he will only fight for the may-pac kind of money, lol
3---Sergio martinez - "His promoter said that "no way I am putting him with this monster"
4---Hassaan ndam njikam -When Hassaan was WBO champ, he was ordered to a purse bid to face Golovkin no less than two times and he was a no show each time.
5---Miguel cotto - didn't want to fight him despite being mandatory.
6---Julio cesar chavez jr - Turned down 12mil offer by TR
7---Saul alvarez - Thinks that he is fighting at the weight-class of 155, as there is no such thing as a "155 weight-class" ,he is pretending to be not in the MW division because of GGG.There are 17 divisions just pick one, if you can't make 154 then you are a MW, simple.
8---Carl froch - After calling GGG out then when GGG accepted ,he backed down and now he is retired after making all the fuss, GGG was calling him for more than a year so no excuses for "retiring".
9---Andrea Ward. The diva of the 168lb division don't want to travel or meet the a-side GGG in a catchweight so he can become a good boy and get ktfo. Was willing to goto 160 for Floyd but when GGG said 164, Ward ducked.
10---Sebastian Sylvester - When Sylvester was IBF champ, he ducked GGG blatantly
11---Darren Barker - When Barker defeated Geale to become IBF champ, his promoter openly said that Barker will fight any1 except GGG
Case close..i still want GGG vs Ward at 168..i give edge to Ward..but going for 3g..ward is only boxer i think can go the distance vs 3G from 68 down. .that says a lot about 3G considering ward is probably #1 p4p in most ppl list.
He looked slow,weak and threw the same combo's over and over again last night. I was rooting for him and picked him to win,but honestly he looked pretty bad last night. At times Canelo was even playing with him and looked bored at times.
I tho he fought well..it's just rare for a Jr MW to hurt a Super MW maybe Light Heavyweight..Cotto landed good punches on Canelo. .that's all Cotto didn't do is hurt Canelo..he move well uses da jab well ..da fact that Canelo didn't finish small Cotto while being at 175+ says a lot of his power..Canelo imo is another Chávez jr with better hand speed. .but as soon as he moves up he will get KO TKO by guys his size..I do give Canelo some credit. .he blocked most of Cotto body shots with his arms bc he knew that's where cotto can hurt him not to da face.
Canelo is still too young. he basically bullied around a smaller cotto. i saw many mistakes. canelo should have been able to take cotto out. if it was golovkin in there last night, cotto would have been laying flat on his back.
i dont care if they fight at a catchweight 155, if canelo fights golovkin, his boxing career ends prematurely via a 10 round TKO beating....it will be trinidad/vargas all over again.
Not Tito vs Vargas ..more like 3G vs Lemiuex. .GGG power jab beats Canelo till he TKO him late. .one dimensional Canelo has nothing to offer 3g in the ring. .other than just a $ fight...
Both guys have great tools and skills but man do they have a lazy fighting style. They do just enough to win and nothing more. I swear to god Cotto was there for the taking on more than one occassion and Canelo just left him off the hook.
It reminded me of when jesse fought bradley only Bradley was able to come out with the win. The one round where vargas pushed the action he brutalized bradley.
Where are these guys' killer instinct?
Canelo is same as Chávez jr but with better hand speed. .and conditioning...both look great vs small stationary boxer..Chávez jr just move up in weight and look what happened to him. .same will happen to Canelo ones he moves up. .his power is overrated just like JR..he couldn't even make cotto take a knee..plus he was punching with all he had...he lacks boxing skills and vs fighters his size he will get hurt bad to da body n head...Cotto landed nice shots to da head. .he just couldn't hurt da light heavyweight Canelo...don't expect 3G vs Canelo anytime soon. ..GGG would walk tru him and his overrated power
Correction Larry,he said that he would only go to 154 for mayweather. Does that mean that you think that canelo is as big a star as mayweather?
Preach!..only for Floyd.
GGG doesn't have to bend to no 155..Canelo if he beats Cotto has to fight GGG at 160 or vacate the belt..he will look bad if he vacate..specially we the fans knowing he walks at the same or higher weight than GGG...Canelo is all about image.. if he vacate his fans (specially Mexican )will eat him up...fact is Canelo not a 154 fighter no more. .Canelo can demand $..but not weight vs GGG...not this time.
I say he does him worse than he did James Toney.
I'm a big GGG fan. .but he won't beat a prime RJJ ..3G has a puncher chance l.. don't see him landing to many punches on JR..even while cutting the ring as well as he does. .
So what does that make Karass' KO win of Berto.
I didn't watch the fight. .from the twitter comments. .karass should be consider an all time performance vs Berto..
Feel free to name a better fighter than Floyd in the past 20 years. Who ya got? Bernard Hopkins? DLH? Pac? Floyd is way better by every imaginable standard.
Floyd didn't even win fighter off da Decade..u forgot to mention Roy Jones Jr if u go back 20 yrs..undisputed P4P #1 while Floyd was fighting..he won da heavyweight belt. .now da last 10 yrs yes Floyd was da best. .u can argue Pac da 1st 5 yrs of those 10..but don't say 20yrs.. u probably didn't even know Floyd b4 da Oscar fight like most didn't. .as for da poll Q....Tyson..yes he was a side show post prison..beat a few bums..lose vs good fighters. .but those fighters didn't even want to go near Tyson in his prime.
No, Wilder loses to Klit and Povetkin and Fury. Next.
Wilder doesn't have the same understanding of distance and angles Fury does, his jab is poor, his right hand is great but that's it.
My point exactly...end thread.
Dude is a good fighter but his team yaps too much, he'll fight this person or that person, but he is almost 34 years old and has the resume of a guy in his 20s.
He has all the talent in the world but they are wasting it on c and d level opposition
I never saw a fighter do so little, get so much hype in my life.
His ppv tanked because he hasn't fought anyone from 160-175 with more than a 20% chance of winning
I hope next year he tangles with Lee or Qullin if they win there next fights....Jacobs is ok but is chinny and Saunders is ok but no world beater
He should fight the winner of Lee-Saunders and Quillen-Jacobs
I don't know why his fans don't support him moving up and challenging himself, when they act like it s a requirement for other fighters
Canelo isn't Elite. .he's a big name hiding at 154..now at Caneloweight of 155..just not to face fighters his size so he won't get KO TKO like Chávez jr did for hiding in lower weight bc that's only advantage they have...I want GGG to move up..da faster he gets the belt Canelo is about to vacate da faster he moves up. .i rather him win da belt in da ring but GB would rather vacate. .plus 3G no hype. .those fighters u named elite are all hype. .hopefully 3G doesn't take step aside $ from Canelo. .it's either fight next or vacate..if he does won't look good on his part
Honestly I just used Mayweather vs Lara as an example, but when 2 elite footed mobile boxers fight, how is the aggressor determined? Typically I know networks really dont care to put on matches between 2 mobile boxers, so does anyone have an example of a good match between 2 (elite) fleet footed boxers where 1 takes the initiative to agress while still utilizing lateral movement?
I say Floyd bc one doesn't want to stay on da outside vs Lara. .the Cuban weakness is fighting on da inside..so early on it will be a chest match..imo da later rounds will have some action once Floyd gets inside..so imo Floyd will be the aggressor early on..
The real reason that people pick Golovkin over Canelo is because in their eyes, Canelo is a tainted fighter who has already been tainted by a loss to Floyd, the most hated boxer ever.
To pick Canelo over Golovkin would mean indirectly picking Floyd (who beat Canelo) over Golovkin, and that is unacceptable and unthinkable to these people who view Golovkin as the last hope, the only one who was never tainted by Floyd.
Realistically, Canelo vs Golovkin could go either way, and in another year or two Canelo should even have the advantage. By destroying Geale, Cotto proved how weak Golovkin's opponents have been, and Canelo ate Cotto's shots like candy.
The truth is the truth! :dance:
Ur delusional w da floyd theory.. canelo is a one 1dimensional fighter with overrated power..he looks great vs small stationary targets at 154 155...what has Canelo learn since da Floyd fight.. nothing..he looked da same vs Cotto..canelo ate small Cotto punches yes.. but small Cotto ate Canelo punches..what does that say about Canelo power..there's nothing on Canelo boxing skills da says he beats GGG. .only chances he has is if he makes it tru 12 Rds n gets a GiFT.. that's all..n in 2 3 yrs still be same results..what advantage will he have?..u actually believe da hype about Canelo future improvement. .how he's still young n will improve..how long does it take to learn how to cut da ring off n lack of uses off da jab....even Chino learned to after da Alexander fight just to give Floyd a worth for his $..ones Canelo fights guys his size he will get da Chávez jr treatment n get KO TKO. .he has a chin vs small 154 at 155..
I won't be surprise if khan outboxes Canelo. .I'll be surprise if he gets a decision vs Canelo while doing it..and that he didn't get KO TKO.....canelo and his team arent da smart...if Canelo doesn't KO TKO khan. . then it won't look good for his career..imo canelo will look bad vs Khan till he finally catches him n KOs him..