Canelo Is Not a Middleweight!

When Sergio Martinez had the WBC belt and they wanted to make Chavez Jr their champion, they just made Martinez the Diamond Champion. If Golovkin doesn't want to play ball, the WBC could make him the champion like they did Chavez Jr and elevate Alvarez to the Diamond Champion like they did Martinez. WBC Diamond Championship In September 2009, the WBC created its new "Diamond Championship" belt. This belt was created as an honorary championship exclusively to award the winner of a historic fight between two high-profile and elite boxers. The inaugural Diamond Belt was awarded on November 14, 2009 to Manny Pacquiao, who won his sixth world title (in 5 different divisions) via a 12th round technical knockout (TKO) over Miguel Ángel Cotto in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. Other holders of this title have included Bernard Hopkins (light heavyweight), Sergio Martínez (middleweight), Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (super welterweight), Nonito Donaire (super bantamweight), Léo Santa Cruz (featherweight), Jean Pascal and Sergey Kovalev (light heavyweight). Although this title can be defended, it is not a mandatory requirement. The title can also be vacated in the case of a fighter's long-term absence or retirement from boxing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Boxing_Council

This was a paid message. Point blank! There is only one reason a sane person writes/says such a shameful drivel - money. Lol haha! It's ok bro, the harsh reality is setting in for Gi Gi fans. Canelo brings him the most money and is the highest profile fight for him. A man who's struggled to be in high profile fights. His 97k on ppv is a perfect indication of that. If he wants to be a star, lose the weight. If not, keep on crushing dudes at 160 that do nothing for him.

cotto wanted the 155??? then why did canelo fight at 155 3 times before that and is now asking golovkin for 155? is cotto a time travelling hypnotist?

Well he is a middleweight in size, he's actually a bit bigger than the middleweight champion. He's just rather unskilled and needs weight games to win. He is the next Chavez Jr and will be exposed again and again. I guess Canelo's career is basically over. The 155 pound division isn't stacked at all, he can't make 154 and he's too scared to fight guys his size. Canelo wanted 157.Retirement time? Flat footed bum. Yo son chill!!!!!! I'm not a fan of catchweihts either but Cotto wanted the 155 On the flip side lets not act like A sides havent been doin this for years. Cottos beeen doin it, Floyd did it to Canelo. I'm not a fan of this **** but unfortunately its the direction boxing is going. Broners trash ass pulls this shi* too!!!! Garcia doin the same, so don't single out Canelo. Don't compare Chavez to Canelo cause he been livin off his pops name and was always overrated!!!!!! I'm a fan of Canelo and GGG but Canelo is the A side now and if GGG wants this fight he' gonna have to negotiate cause lets be real he's not bringing the money. I actually want this fight at 160 cause i think its better for Canelo not having to cut weight, but I would rather him fight Lemeiux first to have a common opponent and get used to the weight class. Fight GGG atthe end of the year. People can talk all the **** they want about Canelo but name me anoither fighter that has a better resume than fighting a prime Trout,Lara(who nobody wanted to fight) Floyd, and Cotto .

He is a junior middleweight, that needs to go up to 160, not 155. To be a middleweight, you need to fight middleweights, and not guys who come in at 153.5 for a "middleweight" title fight. Let him fight a few true 160 lb. guys, let him come in at the 160 lb. limit, let him take some punches from the big boys. What's wrong with that? You call him a middleweight and he's never fought a damn middleweight in his life. "Let him" is only flies if he vacates and hands over the belt. It is quite simple - he is either a middleweight or he is not. In the first case fight for your belt without draining your opponent below 160. In the second case give up the belt and do as much "growing in the division" as you like. GGG is not after you personally, he is after the belt. He chased Martinez, then Cotto, now you. WBC kept protecting their champions from Golovkin. Let's see what they say in 2 weeks.

Fine, Canelo should vacate the belt and hand it over to GGG personally. Admit he was lying when he said that he wasn't afraid and don't ever mention him or look in GGG's direction until he's ready to fight. This is absolutely pathetic.

The 155b catchweight is BS and we all know it. He shouldn't be able to go ahead in his career forcing people to specifically go to 155. Anything over 154lbs and under 160lbs is Middleweight and Canelo rehydrates to a pretty big extent. Can people seriously try and act like Canelo physically can't weigh in at the divisions limit of 160? Sometimes catchweight make sense and if they are agreed on from time to time and don't mess things up then so what...But this? This is Canelo trying to be a bully on the scales and he shouldn't be allowed to do it. He rehydrates enough for us to clearly see he can weigh in at 160. Trying to claim to not be a middleweight and trying to make someone come down to 155 so you can rehydrate way up the scale come fight night then you are just trying to get a weight advantage. All there is too it. Leave out the BS.

WBC should be considered a minor title. it's completely worthless and the most corrupt of all. i say downgrade wbc to minor title and upgrade IBO to major. IBO is the least corrupt of all. plus wlad and GGG both represent the IBO titles very well. it's a very good belt. WBC got a pattern lately - protecting "money" fighters from the dangerous challengers. Cotto/Canelo from GGG, Stevenson - from Kovalev, Wilder from Povetkin. So it looks like you're onto something here.

Golovkin either makes 155 or f*ck him. Point blank. He was willing to drop for Floyd right?? Well, Canelo is the new Floyd as far as cash cows go and big money fights. So lose the damn weight or stfu. Point blank. This was a paid message. Point blank! There is only one reason a sane person writes/says such a shameful drivel - money.

if you're putting yourself in canelo's shoes, then they might be mis-fitting. Canelo won't drop that belt bro. Get it out your head. If you were Canelo, you wouldn't either. Do you understand the backlash he'd receive in Mexico if he pulled a Riddick Bowe and vacated the green belt? Are you aware of the relationship between Mexico and the WBC? and like someone else said, he already paid the $300k sanctioning fee. Canelo's already invested. Plus, the belt serves as additional leverage vs other fighters in negotiations. Yes, good points. It will be interesting to see what position WBC take with him about fighting Golovkin next. Thanks

That cool if 5'9 with 70½ react can't fight at 160 vs Guy that is 6'10 with a 70 react , then just give up the belt

When was the last time he fought a middleweight? Those 155 lb. fights were against junior middleweights, both parties benefited by not having to make 154. Canelo weighed in at 155 for a middleweight title fight, against a guy who came in at 153.5. Canelo has never fought a middleweight in his life. All his fights at 155 were against junior middleweights. Fight night weight doesn't matter in my opinion. There is a difference between walking around weight, fighting weight, and fight night weight. To call him a light heavy because he comes in at 170 on fight night is absurb. People called Chavez Jr. a light heavy/cruiser because of his fight night weights. Once he stepped up to a true light heavy, you saw that he had no business against those guys. He was clearly the smaller man, no punching power, and got put on his ass. Not defending Chavez Jr, I hate him as a fighter, but you just have to call it like it is. Same with Canelo. So you are saying this is what Cane3lo is avoiding? Getting his ass kicked by a guy his own size?

The bottom line is that he's a better weight drainer than fighter. Why else would he insist on an absurd made up weight limit?

thing is man no one is forcing canelo to defend the mw belt at 160, he can come in light if his body ain't ready to NOT strip the extra 5lb of water coming down from his walk around weight in camp, as long as the other guy can come in at any weight before the mw limit too, be it 160 bang on. you're going on as if you speak sense for canelo saying he ain't a mw when he's the one who just PAID the sanctioning fee (which cotto didn't) to, in victory, BE RECOGNISED AS MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION. your entire premise for this thread is that he isn't a middleweight, yet he himself is demonstrating different by actually PAYING to not only be recognised as one, but as the best one! if he thought like you, he'd have never paid it, and won it off GGG at some later stage you talk about. instead he opted for the belt, and the recognition NOW, knowing full well who the mandatory is, and what weight the division limit is. so go ahead, troll and copy and paste more crap, the facts from canelo himself are what's nullifying your arguments here. nothing says "everyone see me now as a middleweight" like dropping $300k!

If Canelo cant hang with the big boys, then he can just unbuckle that belt and hand it over to his papi GGG.For real. He's the WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION, and Golovkin, his mandatory. He's typically heavier than GGG on fight night. So if he wants to "acclimate" to bigger guys against whom he will no longer enjoy the advantage of size, fine, he can drop the green belt and announce to the entire boxing world that he doesn't want it with GGG... and raise his hand only when he does. But don't hold the belt like a privileged Sulaiman nephew and ask for a CW. Disgraceful.

I love me some Canelo, but let's not play games here. He's clearly ready for 160

It really is a valid point that I am making. Whether people have a dog in this fight is another issue. There is a technical definition for what division a fighter is competing at and then there is the reality of what that fighter's weight class really is. Pacquiao fighting for a super welterweight title didn't make him a super welterweight, same thing with Cotto at 160, and same thing will Canelo at 160. Canelo will become a middleweight soon, but he is not there yet. I am not making excuses for him, vacate if he isn't ready for GGG. But, let him fight true 160 pounders before he takes on GGG. :lol1: you always bring up pacquiao to justified your argument, yes pac is not true 154 pounder even after he fight at 150 once, you know why?? because he can easily make welter weight limit, hell he even came at 142 once at fight in WW division at the ripe age of 35. you see the difference? Canelo body can't endure making 154 even after 12-14 weeks training camp. that's why we said he is already 160 lbs fighter not just because he held those disgraceful WBC belt. You always had an argument canelo is not ready to take on true MW, because of their size right? what about canelo in 155?? didn't he always had huge size advantage from his opponent fighting at 155?? see, double standard from your part because too many slurping Canelo's and reynoso's diarrhea. :lol1:

Yes, I don't really have a problem with Canelo having some warm up fights if he needs to. But I just don't like the he will fight GGG straightaway with the CW though?

Yes in an ideal world with no rush Canelo could have some nice warm up fights at 160 before taking on GGG. But people want to see it now, because GGG literally hasn't got anyone else to fight. But I don't think that would help Canelo that much to be honest. Canelo doesn't stop fighters and he couldn't ko old man SSM, so unless he is much better at middleweight than he is at 154 I don't see him beating GGG fullstop. He might outpoint him possibly if he don't get ko'ed but I really don't think having warm up fights will be of much use, just like it wouldn't have been much use for Miguel as well. When it comes to GGG maybe not, because he looks like an exceptional fighter, but fighting him straight away is definitely not the right decision sporting or business wise. I think Canelo will be a fast middleweight, as in he won't be any slower but full blown middleweights are and there reflexes are thus they are easier to hit clean. I don't think Canelo will stop the best of the best at 160 as has been the case below 160lbs, but no middleweight will be able to charge him either, and I am sure he can stop guys like Lee, Quillin, etc. The guys that are a level below the top. In fact I feel Canelo has enough speed and power to be a top middleweight, whether he can beat the best middleweight? Im not sure he can, no shame in that though, I think its a competitive fight.

Show me a middleweight who can make 155. I don't buy this "Canelo is bigger" argument. If Canelo is bigger, then GGG shouldn't have a problem making 155, since the bigger guy can make that weight. Not defending the catchweight bullsh*t. But, let Canelo come up to true 160 first, fight some middleweights, test the waters, then fight GGG. GGG only calls out small dudes. 160 is weak, not impressed with his opposition at all. I'm okay with Canelo fight, but let him acclimate to division first, never even fought at 160 or fought a true middleweight, yet. Canelo is loitering around 155 until triple duck moves up to 168, he should be about ready now Ward has had his hand forced to move up to 175 for the challenging fights. As soon as tripe duck moves up Ginger testicles will move up. Golovkin rag dolls his 170 lb ass come fight night.