Jennings and Fury proved Ali would have gaped open Wladimir.

Wlad wasn't completely helpless against more mobile fighters. He handled prime Chris Byrd just fine, and handled a speedy guy with power in Haye. haye is an ambush fighter. he stays way out of range and tries to jump in to land...Haye has horrible footwork and relies on this strategy exclusively. Byrd is a good fighter with a few tricks up his sleeve but does not have much footspeed or particularly good movement. All these guys need to set to throw. jennings also. Try to get this concept regarding Ali because it it missed on these threads...and I say this independent of what opinions are regarding Ali against anyone. ALI did not need to have his feet set to throw his lead...In other words, much like Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, etc Ali could be on his back leg, able to react to anything you could throw, from any reach advantage...and suddenly Boom! with no telegraphing you are hit. When Ali threw a lead hand punch it could be a jab, or a punch that landed from almost across the ring. Guys like Haye cannot even step and punch like Liston (for example) could. Frazier caught Ali because he had the skill set to allow him to step in when Ali was going straight back, and as he was stepping uncork his hook. Another example: look at how Jones caught Toney. Toney could never predict when Roy would fire because....like ali, Jones didn't need to set his feet to throw his punch. These are skills that develop and are lacking in many fighters today.

Wlad wasn't completely helpless against more mobile fighters. He handled prime Chris Byrd just fine, and handled a speedy guy with power in Haye. Byrd used head n waist movement..stay basically in da pocket vs Wlad...he had good boxing skills. .but he didn't really uses his legs to move around da ring like Fury did. ..Haye was just power. .he ain't a good boxer. .vs Wlad he didn't use no jab or movement. .he was swinging for a home run all nite..not trying to set up anything...for a small fighter no beat Wlad he needs all type of movements..something similar like Tyson. .imo Wlad can win a rematch if he jabs to da body. .n do some work in da inside..he needs to fight like the smaller guy he is vs Fury

Er... What was Ali doing when he was 39??? Not sure he was that great then. Dumbest thread ever. Those fights prove nothing. Plus Ali was tiny compared to Wlad. Wlad would have leant on him and had reach advantage. Having said that, Ali is a greater fighter than Wlad, he dominated his era and won fights people never thought he could (Foreman,Liston)

:lol1: Joke thread.

I always felt Wlad couldn't deal with movement..Jennings imo would have beating Wlad with better movement but he just isn't that type of fighter...I wanted a small fighter with power n movement to show up n beat Wlad but there isn't on in da heavyweight class...once Fury vs Wlad got made it knew Fury could win bc of his movement reach power n height..just didn't think it was gonna be da easy..I mainly wanted to see da adjustments Wlad would make but he never did done...no work in da inside just held. .no jab to da body. Wlad wasn't completely helpless against more mobile fighters. He handled prime Chris Byrd just fine, and handled a speedy guy with power in Haye.

Skip to 2:22 to see how prime Ali would neutralise any version of Wladimir.

I thought the same thing but the major factor in the current HW division vs the passed is size. Look at Klitchko vs Fury, a 2inch height/reach was hard for Klitchko to overcome and he is 6'7" himself. In my heart i picture ali & louis beating Klitchko but physically theyd have been at a HUGE disadvantage. Physical attributes aren't exclusive to height alone. Ali was a better overall athlete in nearly every other category. And he had pedigree, been tested both physically and mentally, unlike nearly every heavyweight today. He wouldn't hesitate to dart inside Klitschko's reach and he had the hand and foot speed to do it. Ali and Louis weren't the same kind of fighters so lumping them together because of size is useless. And irrelevant given their styles.

I always felt Wlad couldn't deal with movement..Jennings imo would have beating Wlad with better movement but he just isn't that type of fighter...I wanted a small fighter with power n movement to show up n beat Wlad but there isn't on in da heavyweight class...once Fury vs Wlad got made it knew Fury could win bc of his movement reach power n height..just didn't think it was gonna be da easy..I mainly wanted to see da adjustments Wlad would make but he never did done...no work in da inside just held. .no jab to da body.

Any boxing fan with half a brain already knew this before he lost to fury.

Not saying Wlad would win vs Ali, but I am saying last night was not prime Wlad, and Ali wouldn't have just gone out destroyed the prime version. Stephen Edwards has broke this down multiple times and agrees. Yeah it wasn't a prime Wlad but get a grip. Prime Ali would box circles around any Wladimir. And this is coming from someone who had Klitschko pound for pound #1 before last night. He can't match Ali's speed, footwork and most important, intelligence. I wouldn't be surprised if he was totally gassed taking a beating by fight's end. He certainly wasn't going to outbox Ali so what was he going to do? Ali would slide in and out and build a points lead on a frustrated Klitschko and pull away. I don't care what Stephen Edwards says, it's a decisive win for Ali any way you look at it.

Jennings and Fury looked like the were trying to implement moronic mutations of the styles Ali used. It worked. Jennings put up a great show and Fury actually beat Wlad. Awkward movement and lateral fleet of foot+weird angled punches seem to confuse Wlad. Big Lummox that he is. Lewis would have also kayoed any version of Wlad. But that's just due to being a better version of Wlad himself. I thought the same thing but the major factor in the current HW division vs the passed is size. Look at Klitchko vs Fury, a 2inch height/reach was hard for Klitchko to overcome and he is 6'7" himself. In my heart i picture ali & louis beating Klitchko but physically theyd have been at a HUGE disadvantage.

look at who ali had to go through vs who wlad had to go through. its not even close. not to mention having the american government against you vs wlad's comfortable lifestyle and russian peds. Not saying Wlad would win vs Ali, but I am saying last night was not prime Wlad, and Ali wouldn't have just gone out destroyed the prime version. Stephen Edwards has broke this down multiple times and agrees.

You didn't know this before? No serious poster thought a prime Wladimir could beat a prime Ali.

You mean a 39 year old Wlad. At 39, Ali was losing to Spinks and year later Holmes & Berbick. At 39 Ali had been through wars with Foreman, Norton, Shavers and Frasier on multiple occasions. Name me one real war Wlad has been involved in?

We could say the same thing about Larry Holmes doing something similar to Ali but Ali was old, Wladimir has aged better I think he just fought too timid didn't show the press he should have 11-12 rounds that's what was needed, press double up the jab work the body.

You mean a 39 year old Wlad. At 39, Ali was losing to Spinks and year later Holmes & Berbick.