Hearn definitely hasn't spent w/e money he's spent like he's got $1B total/$125M a year thats for sure.
And this Canelo thing sounds like its a DAZN thing not a Hearn thing so idk that he's spent ANY money here. But then again idk if this means that DAZN is spending their own side money towards GBP/Canelo or if this $365M deal means Hearn now has a $635M total/$79.3M a year budget with DAZN using 1/3 of Hearn's budget on getting GBP on the platform. Cuz if not than DAZN is allegedly putting $1.36B into boxing over the next 8 years.
You have the math slightly wrong. If this has come out of Hearn's budget then the GBP deal is $66m a year for Canelo alone. Couple that with Oscars other shows you've got to think this deal is worth at least $80m a year. Can't then believe Hearn only now has $45m a year for his 16 shows.
I personally think Oscar has got his own separate pot. IF Canelo brings subscriptions up to 2m a month then that's $240m a year revenue. Enough to still give Hearn his $125m a year, Oscar $80m and and whatever to the WBSS. I'm sure DAZN has no interest in even breaking for 5-10 years, Netflix barely makes a profit and has been around for 20 years. Next 5-10 years will be about increasing subscribers and growing their content offering.
So It Turns Out Eddie Hearn Approached Eric Gomez and Golden Boy...
According to Hearn he was the one who reached out to Eric Gomez to talk to GBP about coming to DAZN. He also goes on to say the deal negotiated between John Skipper and Eric Gomez. So much for Oscar going round Hearn straight to DAZN then...
I have a tough time believing he’ll be fighting on any other platform in the foreseeable future when it comes to rights for his fights in the US
I could be wrong though
Hearn said it would be fight by fight. But the only real US PPV fight for Joshua is Wilder, outside of that it I doubt he would be able to make more than what DAZN would pay him elsewhere.
Depends how long he fights for. At this stage of his career, I'm sure when you throw in endorsements he's made triple of what Floyd had made at the same age as Floyd had only just fought Gatti.
Some posters brought it up in another thread, Ortiz was AJ's mandatory last year, AJ swerved him and Ortiz went on to fight Wilder.
I googled it, youtubed it, nothing, it's really strange. I cannot find a single instance of AJ ever mentioning Ortiz's name other than when Wilder beat him.
I mean you can find articles of AJ mentioning Pedvetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Fury etc. but when it comes to Ortiz it's almost as if he didn't exist?
Get your facts right, Ortiz CHOSE to fight Wilder and had his mandatory status revoked when he tested positive. Sorry to disappoint you but there was no swerving.
No, Fury should earn should beat a top 10 heavyweight before he can be taken seriously again. He hasn't been in with a live opponent yet and won't it seems before Wilder. He didn't train for 2 years and drank and coked himself up to 350 pounds.
Wilder vs Furry or Spence vs Garcia?
If both get made both are potential PPV bouts according to Espinoza. But SHO wouldn't dare put on 2 PPVs in December.
So who gets it? The 2 Heavyweights or the Lightweight moving up 2 weight classes to challenge for a title?
Or will they just give us a Christmas present in Dec and have a doubleheader PPV.
They would be dumb not to do a double header. I would guess the buys of the combined PPV would much higher than they would be if they did 2 separate PPV's, even if they were spaced apart.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 shout out Anthony Joshua living his best life #smile***** #this****justlooksfunnytome A post shared by lilduval (@lilduval) on Jul 21, 2018 at 9:12am PDT
Has any other heavyweight champion in history disgraced the belts this way?
***** me you must live a sad existence. Hopefully life gets better for you soon.
I dunno, Big man.
Being a beltholder AND the lineal?
The guy that comes out the winner might have at least equal negotiating power, especially if the fight itself is a financial success.
If belts were that important why did Triple G only get 35% against Canelo.
Joshuas record for his opponents are 188-10 (in 6 fights)
6-0 in title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
Wilders are 184-12-1(in 8 fights)
8-0 in world title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
So lets stop acting like one is so far ahead of the other..NUMBERS DO NOT LIE!!!
I really don't understand why using the combined records is a good way to measure the strength of the opposition they've faced. A much better way to do it is how many top 10 heavyweights have they beaten? If you look at The Ring annual ratings Joshua has beaten 3 fighters that have at some point been rated in the top 10 (Breazeale, Klitschko, Parker) Wilder has also beaten 3 (Stiverne, Ortiz, Arreola). So 3 of Joshua's out 5 of his defenses were against top 10 opposition (was scheduled to be 4 with Pulev). 3 out of Wilder's 7 defenses were against top 10 opposition.
Although Wlad didn't fight, he was still training all the time and had a training camp for the Tyson Fury rematch which got called off. Tyson coked and drunk himself up to 350 pounds and didn't train for 2 years.
If we want to have a subjective discussion then lets not pretend all inactivity is equal.
It was actually postponed once before it was called off. Klitschko fought Fury the first time 28 November 2015 with first rematch scheduled for July 2016. That was called off and then rescheduled for 29 October 2016. So Klitschko had 2 trainings camps within his period of "inactivity" and then fought Joshua April 2017.
Fair points in that post.
Also hopefully people who have discredited Joshua's win over Wlad due to inactivity will acknowledge Fury's inactivity going into this fight.
Although Wlad didn't fight, he was still training all the time and had a training camp for the Tyson Fury rematch which got called off. Tyson coked and drunk himself up to 350 pounds and didn't train for 2 years.
If we want to have a subjective discussion then lets not pretend all inactivity is equal.
Surely the big news in this article if it is credible is this?
"A purse split and a venue have still yet to be agreed upon."
Would be quite amazing if they haven't even agreed financials yet despite talk of an agreement.
There is a very simple explanation why Canelo gets decisions. His style looks good to the judges with the naked eye. He has a good chin so the few punches that actually land clean don't look like they have much effect and the majority of punches he slips or rolls so its easier to show the punches weren't effective vs someone who stays stationary and tucks up behind a guard. He throws quick combinations rather than single punches so it can look like punches land clean when they actually don't. When someone throws a 4 punch combination how many of them can you really tell if they land?
Okay let's say he will fight overseas for this. Where exactly would the fight take place at? Which venue holds the fight? Who puts the money up for the fight? You think all that gets agreed to within a month? Fight would have to be done first two weeks of October for it to happen in December. Not happening…. At least not in 2018.
Pacquaio will square his tax bill and the fight will be in Vegas. 0% chance Floyd fights outside of Vegas. ZERO.
What's the upside for him? I don't see why he'd even make the fight.
Hearn doesn't choose the opponents, he delivers the fights his fighters want. Can you find me one fighter he's promoted who's had anything to say about him?
"Fair"? What are you basing that on? That's a purely subjective term.
There is going to be FAR more momentum behind Wilder after a Fury win. Wins change everything. Look at how little respect Canelo got a month ago. He wins a controversial decision and now suddenly he's got more heat than ever. So you think Canelo had more value a 6 months ago or now?... See what I mean?
For Wilder to do any negotiating now is pure foolishness. AJ just had a win so the momentum is with him and of course Hearn is scrambling to make Deal now as the weight will be shifting toward Wilder the closer we get to the fight, and it will be HUGE should be win.
It's akin to the buy low/sell high principle.
Come on. This isn't that hard to figure out.
You're making a big assumption that the fight will be a PPV success and the fight will be entertaining. When you're on PPV you need to do a lot more than win. Canelo's stock rose because he was in a great fight. I'm sure Eddie would be willing to do a deal where the % split was dependent on the number of buys Fury-Wilder does.
No doubt. I've been saying this since the first day the offer rolled in, yet these Hearn slaves on the forum keep chanting "duck".
Someone would have to be an absolute fking idiot to think Wilder should sign now, when this fight is already getting a huge promotional build up and a mill in tickets sold in the first half hour.
This isn't even about whether someone likes Wilder or not, it's about having 2 cents worth of brains and a willingness to be honest and not a damn cheerleader.
We'll see what the PPV numbers are. Espinoza said he would be happy with 400,000 so if that's the case, it's a more than fair offer. Wilder would make double what he's earning against Fury.
No problem with that fight per se, don't love it, don't hate it, but HEADLINE??? I think thats a 2nd or 3rd billing fight. Respect on giving the Charlo's some main events finally, but make it a more compelling fight.
Fox aren't spending much per show so this is the sort of matchups I think we can expect.
Anyone who thinks Eddie expects to sell out every arena starting out is a *****ing moron. In his early days in the UK he didn't come close to selling out anywhere. His recipe is to have fighters active so fans can follow their journey and go to the same cities on a regular basis and make people want to come back. When was the last time there was a decent card in Chicago? I would think most people in the arena felt they had decent value for money and if Hearn can bring a better card to Chicago in the near future then its likely those people will come back as well as a few more.
Whether Hearn will be a success or not will be judged over the next 1-2 years when he's gone back to cities a few times, not over the first few shows. One thing is for sure, love him or hate him he's by far the hardest working man in boxing so he has a great opportunity to be successful
Don't try to pretend that worse case scenarios are the norm. It's already garnering a ton of attention and selling tickets. It's on fire so far. If Eddie could strike a better deal later, why is he so desperate to weak this up now?
Don't let your affection for the man warp your common sense.
He's just trying to open negotiations. If Finkel was asking Eddie for a meeting and he turned it down there would be no surprises for guessing what you're reaction would be.
They'd have to sell well over 1m ppv buys for that to happen. If this fight does 500k it's a ridiculous success.
Espinoza said he would be "happy" with 400k and he has probably got a better idea than all of us. Roy Jones was a much bigger star than Wilder is now after he won at heavyweight and his fight with Tarver only did 320k, so Espinoza's estimation seems about right. Let's hope Deontay is getting a good guarantee.
that would be really sad for AJ
povetkin is 38 and was beaten up 6 years ago by a cruiser....he also swerved wilder much like his next opponent....
AJ would be laughed at and considered a disgrace
so whatever....im sure wilder will be fine making 3 mil a fight while still the unbeaten HW champ of the world
meanwhile you guys would be even more disgraced than you already are
try to have a good day today...remember one day at a time
Think it would be more sad for Wilder. He had the right lottery numbers but forgot to buy his ticket.
Arum and Haymon refused to sit down until they agreed in principle on a 60/40 split. They didn't meet to discuss smaller details until they had an understanding on the biggest detail. This is how boxing has worked forever.
Why you spend time defending the decline of a contract request is beyond me.