Please, just don't be THAT kind of hypocrite...

:feedback::friday:You're aware he's had 2 fights? Wlad didnt and he was coming off a loss.

:bottle::bottle::bottle:You're aware he's had 2 fights? Wlad didnt and he was coming off a loss.

You're aware he's had 2 fights? Wlad didnt and he was coming off a loss. :hitit::hitit::sad6:

dude, i didn't insult you. don't insult me. fury-wilder did not have a date at the time it was said to be a done deal. it was set for the "october-november" time frame. it may have a date now, but it definitely didn't have one when it was announced by frank warren and confirmed by wilder. Ok sorry. Too used to deal with no-hopers. But no, The Joshua-Wilder fight failed because there was no date or venue on the contract. It got clear they know where and when it will happen so it's safe to say it was in the contract

Fury-Wilder has a date, it just wasn't announced. I know you aren't very smart but taking conclusions over your stupid suppositons is too much dude, i didn't insult you. don't insult me. fury-wilder did not have a date at the time it was said to be a done deal. it was set for the "october-november" time frame. it may have a date now, but it definitely didn't have one when it was announced by frank warren and confirmed by wilder.

Difference being, Fury put on nearly 10 Stone & got wasted on coke etc etc... Wlad was realistically not much different from the Fury to the AJ fight health-wise. Wlad always trained and stayed healthy throughout his career. Age just caught up with him and he lost half a step so to speak. Look at Vitali when he came back, dude never stayed out of shape came back ripped. If Fury wins this, it makes Wilder look baaaad! and sets up an even bigger fight with AJ. If Wilder wins everyone will rightly say Fury should of had an extra 1 or 2 fights. Lets face it Furys first fight was not a fight, it was a joke and Fury had **** bigger then Dolly Parton. The only real fight hes had is Pinetta which was a walk over. Furys the one daring to be great here, whether you like him or not.

Joshua-Klitshcko wasn't ideal nor is Wilder-Fury. It's really showing what a sad state the Heavyweight division has been that these two fights are such a big deal. Fury had ballooned to over 400 lbs, hadn't fought in 2 1/2 years, will have been three years without facing a top 100 guy not to mention his hiatus included a ton of cocaine, no gym work, depression etc; Klit though old at least stayed in the gym and had major fights lined up (Fury ducked the re-match) and managed to make a good showing. Anyone trying to sell Fury as a serious opponent or a great match when you've trashed the Joshua-Klit fight (as every Wilder fan on here) I think has a clear bias. Joshua-Klit was a relatively inexperienced title holder facing a big name in his 19th fight. Wilder-Fury is an experienced title holder entering the ring for the 41st time cherry picking a safe opponent who's just looking to cash out. It would be hilarious if Fury won. Would Wilder fans jump over to his side or will they go with Big Baby after it? They sure as hell won't stay Wilder fans.

Good post. You can already see certain posters already trying to devalue a win over Fury since he beat Pianeta. It's sad but this is how the group posters that like the most popular boxers on this board operate. Remember when Tim Bradley went from the guy that "overrated bum that robbed manny and didn't deserve to be ranked p4p" to "the number 3 p4p guy in the world" once the rematch was signed? Fury could knock out prime Ali, Frazier, Wlad, Viatali and Jack Johnson all in a row, then his next fight would be Wilder, and he'd be a shot coke fiend bum to some posters. I don't mind folks having the take that Wlad was still good when AJ fought him. I vehemently disagree, but all I am saying is if someone thinks Wlad was legit, then a Wilder win over Fury HAS TO BE LEGIT. If the argument is made that the win over Wlad was as much smoke and mirrors as it was real, then yeah, one can talk about Fury not being all the way back...and I have.

Was Klitschko hugely overweight, abusing his body with cocaine and almost planning to commit suicide over a 3 year period ?...no he wasnt..Klitschko was in the gym, ready to go, always fit and his performance proved that he was ready. Fury has looked like **** after physically and mentally abusing his body, it would take a miracle to come back from that and i'll take him seriously again if he manages to beat a top 10 guy. There is a huge difference He was a guy that had noticeably declined IN THE RING two years before he met AJ, and did nothing IN THE RING to demonstrate that decline was not real or had ceased. Of course Wlad would look good vs AJ. Even his own trainer says he is a work in progress. And don't leave out the fact that his two opponents after Wlad have had much rougher outings against much lesser competition. It isn't that Wlad was not washed, it's that AJ lacked the skill and will to expose him as such.

if you want to talk about hypocrisy, look no further than wilder and his fanboys claiming that he couldn't sign the joshua contract because there was "no date or venue". yet the same people have been screaming and celebrating for weeks now that the wilder-fury fight is a "done deal" when there is no date or venue. Fury-Wilder has a date, it just wasn't announced. I know you aren't very smart but taking conclusions over your stupid suppositons is too much

I get this and agree with it as a scenario. But, I think there is more to it now for Fury. He has figured out how to cash in not once but twice. All he has to do is show well vs Wilder; he doesn't have to win. Even getting KOed works as long as he looks good before it. He is going to say "I had to fight when I wasn't ready cuz someone else was afraid to step up and defend British honor". He'll be a national hero even in defeat. A hero with plenty of box office to either get AJ next (if negotiations for THE FIGHT break down again) or Wilder in a rematch. Makes sense and I can see it happening as long as he doesn't have a mental breakdown in the mean time

...that tries to belittle what the upcoming fight will mean career-wise. Now that the Fury-Wilder fight is a done deal set to go off this November or December, some of you have observed how Fury will probably not be the same guy that beat Wlad to become the lineal. Fair enough. This makes sense and I agree. However, I am hoping that the same folks making this observation were also saying the same thing about the AJ-Klitschko fight before that happened. I hope those who seek to belittle what a win by Wilder over Tyson might mean also talk about how AJ fought a diminished Wlad. Because the truth is, Fury will likely be more ready for his fight with Wilder than Wlad was vs Joshua. Klitschko had looked bad going back 2 years and had zero tuneups before AJ. Tyson will have had 2 fights before Wilder. Now, there is no denying Wlad did look pretty good vs AJ. But the truth is, we don't know if that was due to a "good" version of Wlad or due to an inexperienced AJ...and really, we still may not know. Who has AJ fought since again? A Takam that just got flattened by DelBoy (God Bless him!)? A Parker that looked very ordinary vs Whyte, who is pretty ordinary himself? So, when it comes to rating a potential Wilder win over Fury, please be objective enough to keep all this in mind. if you want to talk about hypocrisy, look no further than wilder and his fanboys claiming that he couldn't sign the joshua contract because there was "no date or venue". yet the same people have been screaming and celebrating for weeks now that the wilder-fury fight is a "done deal" when there is no date or venue.

Was Klitschko hugely overweight, abusing his body with cocaine and almost planning to commit suicide over a 3 year period ?...no he wasnt..Klitschko was in the gym, ready to go, always fit and his performance proved that he was ready. Fury has looked like **** after physically and mentally abusing his body, it would take a miracle to come back from that and i'll take him seriously again if he manages to beat a top 10 guy. There is a huge difference

...that tries to belittle what the upcoming fight will mean career-wise. Now that the Fury-Wilder fight is a done deal set to go off this November or December, some of you have observed how Fury will probably not be the same guy that beat Wlad to become the lineal. Fair enough. This makes sense and I agree. However, I am hoping that the same folks making this observation were also saying the same thing about the AJ-Klitschko fight before that happened. I hope those who seek to belittle what a win by Wilder over Tyson might mean also talk about how AJ fought a diminished Wlad. Because the truth is, Fury will likely be more ready for his fight with Wilder than Wlad was vs Joshua. Klitschko had looked bad going back 2 years and had zero tuneups before AJ. Tyson will have had 2 fights before Wilder. Now, there is no denying Wlad did look pretty good vs AJ. But the truth is, we don't know if that was due to a "good" version of Wlad or due to an inexperienced AJ...and really, we still may not know. Who has AJ fought since again? A Takam that just got flattened by DelBoy (God Bless him!)? A Parker that looked very ordinary vs Whyte, who is pretty ordinary himself? So, when it comes to rating a potential Wilder win over Fury, please be objective enough to keep all this in mind. Good post. You can already see certain posters already trying to devalue a win over Fury since he beat Pianeta. It's sad but this is how the group posters that like the most popular boxers on this board operate. Remember when Tim Bradley went from the guy that "overrated bum that robbed manny and didn't deserve to be ranked p4p" to "the number 3 p4p guy in the world" once the rematch was signed? Fury could knock out prime Ali, Frazier, Wlad, Viatali and Jack Johnson all in a row, then his next fight would be Wilder, and he'd be a shot coke fiend bum to some posters.

Nah, I don't have any agenda at all. It's not an agenda because someone thinks differently from you. An agenda would be me saying stuff like about Fury's comeback fights : But then when Wilder's name comes into the fold, suddenly wanting to talk about Fury's fights now being satisfactory prep. Now that would be agendas showing through. It would be me be flip-flopping on my stance, making fun of said fights, but then deciding to acknowledge them just because Wilder's name had come into play. Every thread I've posted in since Fury announced his comeback, way before any opponents were mentioned, my opinion was he's way off a big fight. My opinion hasn't changed now he's fighting Wilder, nor would it if he was fighting another big name..like Joshua. That's not an agenda. It's quite the opposite. I think it's clear who's really posting with their fan boy hat on. The prep isn't about the opponent. It's about how he looks. He's got the inactivity out of the way, and looked as sharp as he ever has. I bet you thought you had something there...

I get this and agree with it as a scenario. But, I think there is more to it now for Fury. He has figured out how to cash in not once but twice. All he has to do is show well vs Wilder; he doesn't have to win. Even getting KOed works as long as he looks good before it. He is going to say "I had to fight when I wasn't ready cuz someone else was afraid to step up and defend British honor". He'll be a national hero even in defeat. A hero with plenty of box office to either get AJ next (if negotiations for THE FIGHT break down again) or Wilder in a rematch. Can tell you’re not English. Tyson Fury wasn’t a national hero when he dethroned Klitschko; he won’t be a national hero if he loses to Wilder either because he has never captured the public’s affection. He never will with the way he acts and the things he says either.

Agendas. Smh. Nah, I don't have any agenda at all. It's not an agenda because someone thinks differently from you. An agenda would be me saying stuff like about Fury's comeback fights : This is worse than Haye's comeback tour. That says a lot. But then when Wilder's name comes into the fold, suddenly wanting to talk about Fury's fights now being satisfactory prep. Now that would be agendas showing through. It would be me be flip-flopping on my stance, making fun of said fights, but then deciding to acknowledge them just because Wilder's name had come into play. Every thread I've posted in since Fury announced his comeback, way before any opponents were mentioned, my opinion was he's way off a big fight. My opinion hasn't changed now he's fighting Wilder, nor would it if he was fighting another big name..like Joshua. That's not an agenda. It's quite the opposite. I think it's clear who's really posting with their fan boy hat on.

You're aware he's had 2 fights? Wlad didnt and he was coming off a loss. He's had a televised sparring session and a warm up. He put on over 100 pounds and was out of the ring for over 2.5 years. This is a thread asking people not to be hypocritical about inactivity and preparation..yet here we are.

Why don't those two camps count for Fury then? You're aware he's had 2 fights? Wlad didnt and he was coming off a loss. Agendas. Smh.

I know man. But I'm sure he isn't ready to fight Wilder. His defense needs him on his best to work as his hands are always down. Early KO. For me it won't matter much in terms of resume (I don't care much for it anyway), but in terms of business it's great anyway. This is how I see it: Fury's plan on return was always to cash out big and retire. His first target was Joshua, but since the 50 million he clearly changed it. If he can make 30-40 million against Wilder he will be happily knocked out and retire. On the other side, Wilder needed this big name and that big mouth to make a sucessfull PPV launch. If he succeed, he can play the cards and force the Joshua fight on Showtime. Even if it is by getting the WBA regular belt. Anyway, I will watch it very excited I get this and agree with it as a scenario. But, I think there is more to it now for Fury. He has figured out how to cash in not once but twice. All he has to do is show well vs Wilder; he doesn't have to win. Even getting KOed works as long as he looks good before it. He is going to say "I had to fight when I wasn't ready cuz someone else was afraid to step up and defend British honor". He'll be a national hero even in defeat. A hero with plenty of box office to either get AJ next (if negotiations for THE FIGHT break down again) or Wilder in a rematch.