Joshuas record for his opponents are 188-10 (in 6 fights)
6-0 in title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
Wilders are 184-12-1(in 8 fights)
8-0 in world title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
So lets stop acting like one is so far ahead of the other..NUMBERS DO NOT LIE!!!
Joshua was supposed to be great and he is. Wilder looked like a Hype Job and has legitimized himself. Who cares how they started. They are the top two guys in the sport. Let them fight for supremacy.
Stupid crackhead
Wilder is a paper champ
Since wilder became champion
He ducked klit, povetkin, whyte and Joshua
You wilder fans are crackheads
Whilst wilder is begging to avoid the big boys, joshau was becoming the biggest star in boxing
Brits always bring up Wilder's record and number of fights but yet consider Brook some elite talent but he was a pro for over 10 years before he actually fought a decent opponent. Brook is 1-2 against top fighters and undefeated against all those Euro bums.
Am definitely one brit that didn’t consider brook the man. The same thing I criticise Brook for before Spence, was the same thing that I criticise Wilder for. I remember saying it back then that Wilder and Brook have almost the same resume.
ajs resume is better but not by much, his fans act like hes fought nothing but killers and elite fighters while wilder has fought nothing but bums. no current HW has a killer resume, they need to stop acting like aj is the savior of boxing. im happy that they got a good fighter but they are going a bit too far
That's because his fans are casuals & dream of smoking hearns cõcktail sausage. They'll believe whatever sky & hearn tell/sell them.
Joshuas record for his opponents are 188-10 (in 6 fights)
6-0 in title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
Wilders are 184-12-1(in 8 fights)
8-0 in world title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
So lets stop acting like one is so far ahead of the other..NUMBERS DO NOT LIE!!!
If you want to make a fair comparisons, shouldnt you take the timeframe into account?
Wilder has been a champ since January 2015, Joshua since April 2016.
Joshua has been champ for 2 years and 4 months now.
After 2 years and 4 months as a champion Wilder defended his belt 5 times.
The only top 10 fighter he fought in that stretch was Bermane Stiverne who by all acounts is pretty overrated for only having Chris Arreola on his resume lol.
Stiverne, Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, Arreola, Washington
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Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Klitschko, Takam, Parker
dont just erase the fact that wilders had about 20 more fights. he could have had a star studded resume if he wanted but instead hes ****ed about and now in panic mode cause he realises hes not got long left. U can cry about povetkin failing the test all u want but he wasnt the only fighter around, wilder showed ZERO interest in ever fighting wlad cause by a few accounts hed been pasted in sparring by him. He waited till he was out of the picture before mouthing off.
Brits always bring up Wilder's record and number of fights but yet consider Brook some elite talent but he was a pro for over 10 years before he actually fought a decent opponent. Brook is 1-2 against top fighters and undefeated against all those Euro bums.
It's hard to dispute the numbers you put up. I guess the overall quality of their title fights is closer than I thought. The past is past. Both champions are defending their titles against top contenders now so they are both being good champions in my opinion. Why they aren't fighting each other depends on who you ask. Most UK fans blame Wilder while most stateside fans blame AJ. It really doesn't matter who's fault it is because we still have two good champions and neither can say they are truly the best until they fight each other. Hell, most weight classes have 4 champions so two champions is not so bad.
I really don't understand why using the combined records is a good way to measure the strength of the opposition they've faced. A much better way to do it is how many top 10 heavyweights have they beaten? If you look at The Ring annual ratings Joshua has beaten 3 fighters that have at some point been rated in the top 10 (Breazeale, Klitschko, Parker) Wilder has also beaten 3 (Stiverne, Ortiz, Arreola). So 3 of Joshua's out 5 of his defenses were against top 10 opposition (was scheduled to be 4 with Pulev). 3 out of Wilder's 7 defenses were against top 10 opposition.
dont add the scheduled one for Joshua and leave the one out for Wilder with Povetkin
Joshuas record for his opponents are 188-10 (in 6 fights)
6-0 in title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
Wilders are 184-12-1(in 8 fights)
8-0 in world title fights
3-0 against current/former champs
So lets stop acting like one is so far ahead of the other..NUMBERS DO NOT LIE!!!
I really don't understand why using the combined records is a good way to measure the strength of the opposition they've faced. A much better way to do it is how many top 10 heavyweights have they beaten? If you look at The Ring annual ratings Joshua has beaten 3 fighters that have at some point been rated in the top 10 (Breazeale, Klitschko, Parker) Wilder has also beaten 3 (Stiverne, Ortiz, Arreola). So 3 of Joshua's out 5 of his defenses were against top 10 opposition (was scheduled to be 4 with Pulev). 3 out of Wilder's 7 defenses were against top 10 opposition.
skew numbers how you like.. joshuas calibre of opponents have been better end of.
Ortiz was a good win for wilder, but he was getting thoroughly outmatched in every aspect until the KO. Other than that.. you can try until the cows come home to convince me that washington and spzilka come close to Klitschko and Parker in terms of resume.
I have to say, the Brit fans as great as they are, they make me laugh somtimes.. I remember when spence fought brook... at the presser, the brits were all up in arms basically celebrating that kell did good against ggg and laid out the blueprint to beat ggg lol. It was one of the most celebrated LOSSES i have ever saw
The reason i bring this up is because during that same presser, ingle was bringing up past opponents and basically giving kell the win over spence because brook had porter on his resume and at that time spence biggest name was algieri.
We all saw how that fight turned out. Spence by ko.
Its funny how history repeats itself. Wilder over joshua by ko.
ajs resume is better but not by much, his fans act like hes fought nothing but killers and elite fighters while wilder has fought nothing but bums. no current HW has a killer resume, they need to stop acting like aj is the savior of boxing. im happy that they got a good fighter but they are going a bit too far
he should blame his manager shelfie, apparently his plan was to hit the shelf for a few fights then challenge klit but fury ruined it all and left D with only one belt :-( when he could have had them all maybe and probably quite a bigger slice of the joshua pie too, oh well, no point in holding grudges
What folks rarely say is that Wilder has only been in the sport 2 more years than Joshua.
Wilder began as an amateur in late 2005, AJ in late 2007.
Those facts speak to one guy being brought along slower than the other, is all.
and what the hell you an about, numbers dont lie. you know damn well they lie. Add all wilders opponents up and whats the best 3 wins theyve got between them? it would be jennings, arreola and then i genuinely dont know.
I just posted the actual numbers since both have been world champions...
dont just erase the fact that wilders had about 20 more fights. he could have had a star studded resume if he wanted but instead hes ****ed about and now in panic mode cause he realises hes not got long left. U can cry about povetkin failing the test all u want but he wasnt the only fighter around, wilder showed ZERO interest in ever fighting wlad cause by a few accounts hed been pasted in sparring by him. He waited till he was out of the picture before mouthing off.
This is true. Even if people were to compare opponents, the fact remains Joshua has done just as much or if not, more in less than half the fights Wilder has had
That's just an indisputable fact
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