Hearn sets the record straight

"Truth hurts doesn’t it ? " Well you keep getting mugged on here with the ACTUAL truth ,so why dont you tell us ? lol :chairshot I bet you throw fits and temper tantrums when you log off your parents computer as they tell you to settle down ! :bottle: " Unlike you I don’t resort to telling LIES!" :bryce: You ain’t even involved in this conversation... “Temper tantrum’s”🤣🤣🤣 you’re definitely a virgin Get a life... And learn how to spell Klitschko. “Klitchko”😭😭😭😭

I'm not going to go back and forth with you, we're not going anywhere with this. I genuinely don't understand what kind of attention you think I want from you :lol1: You're coming on here with a child's mindset "derp I've been to more boxing shows than you" :lol1: Get a braincell you daft ****. How was the steel mill this week? Yes I know Smarty, Sparrow, Carl Davis etc. Do you know Arthur, Ed, Chris, Didier or are you just mentioning random names? :lol1: Straight back again...😭😭😭 Get a life and stop spending countless hours a day on a forum you sad tw*t. Yeah I know Arthur and Tony Castle, I know Chris Mullen. Never really spoke to Didier much tbh. So I wouldn’t say I know him well. Why would I mention random names?? Unlike you I don’t resort to telling LIES! You’re telling me to get a brain cell when you don’t even realise it’s two separate words you thick c*nt. “Braincell”😭😭😭😭 You’re right about one thing though there is no point in going back and forth with some deluded, lonely, desperate, middle aged man who is condemned to spending hour after hour on a boxing forum cause he has no relationship, vocation or social life. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

Straight back again�������� Stop spending all your time on here and get a life you sad c*nt. It’s pathetic you spend 17 hours a day on a boxing forum. Seriously you must be like 40+, no relationship, no vocation, no social life. I actually pity you. “Used to be a reporter for the Daily Star”�������������������������������������� I’ve heard it all now... CAN YOU VERIFY THIS????? Cause you are lying through your teeth. It’s absolutely embarrassing, you absolute shambles. I have a degree in journalism and there is NO WAY you are a journalist, you constantly make unsubstantiated statements and refuse to reveal sources. Case and point- the “supposed” WBC statement. You go the Solly do you??? Interesting... I know a couple of guys from there. I suppose you know exactly who Tom, Ray, Carl etc are then??? Full of *****�������� “Boxing needs UFC’s biggest star to sell PPV’s”���������� Floyd has sold 2m+ several times including over 4m against Pacquiao. Conor has NEVER done that apart from against Floyd. So who needed who exactly??? “UFC is on an upward trajectory” yet doing significantly worse in 2017 compared to 2016���� The viewership was also down 29% in 2017, “upward trajectory doe”���� Industries like Boxing and MMA peak and trough, it’s the nature of the beast cause they’re success is largely based on the stars involved. Both are continuously developing industries, but boxing still remains far ahead of UFC/MMA. You’d have to be a fanboy or literal retard to argue otherwise... Hence why you’re arguing the point.���� Anyway you can tell all the LIES you want, the truth is you’re just a lonely little middle aged man who’s that desperate for some sort of social interaction they spend hour after hour on a boxing forum������ I actually have a life and the World Cup’s in full swing, so I probably won’t be on here Saturday. I’ll take you to school again on Saturday you sad little b@stard. I'm not going to go back and forth with you, we're not going anywhere with this. I genuinely don't understand what kind of attention you think I want from you :lol1: You're coming on here with a child's mindset "derp I've been to more boxing shows than you" :lol1: Get a braincell you daft ****. How was the steel mill this week? Yes I know Smarty, Sparrow, Carl Davis etc. Do you know Arthur, Ed, Chris, Didier or are you just mentioning random names? :lol1:

You're right that I do spend probably 17 hours a day on my laptop as I run a business. It kind of comes with the territory, not that you'd know or ever will. Hahaha, ultimate deflection you sad bastard :lol1: "The market is going digital" turns into "this specific moment in time", man you're just not very intelligent, are you? If you had more than the sad one braincell left after no doubt being fed crack as a baby, you'd understand that I said where the market is going and I was talking about what was going to bring boxing back. Clearly then I'm not discussing what's happening right now. haha. Totally flew over your empty skull. A 20 year old child calling my life little is quite funny. As I said, my amateur boxing videos from the 90s are on this forum you fat donkey :lol1: The last non-matchroom pro show I went to was Canelo vs GGG in Vegas. Have you ever been to Vegas? :lol1: I've watched pro boxing live in the U.S, UK, India, Brazil, Denmark, Sweden, Malaysia, Thailand, Australia and have watched amateur boxing in Denmark, Greece, Ireland, U.K, U.S incl. two olympics, three world championships and two european championships. I've seen the ABAs since 2005 and used to work as a reporter for the Daily Star, reporting specifically on boxing in the U.K - Amateur and pro. So yeah, I doubt you've been to see as many boxing shows as me, and I doubt you've ever laced up the gloves. I did also go to several amateur shows incl. billericay's recent schoolboy show as my mate's lad fights there. I also attend most of my own gym's salisbury local shows where my company is a sponsor for the schoolboys and the juniors. Yes I went to Haye vs Bellew 2. So what? I'm also going to see Manny Pacquiao later this month. Yes 2016 was the most successful year in the UFC - Do you understand how trends work? I know you're not an educated man, but let me try to explain something.. When one business is 20 years old and basically created something that's not even legal in the entirety of the market they operate in, is competing with a 120 year old pro industry with some of the biggest names in sports ever - It's crapping on it. Especially when boxing needs the UFCs biggest star to sell PPVs. So you have one company on an upwards trajectory, and one sport on a downward trajectory. Can you grasp this? the PPVs might have been better for boxing in 2017 - Largely due to the UFC ironically. However, the cable fights were still outdone by the UFC. Also, the average buy rate was 305k not 275k. Straight back again😭😭😭😭 Stop spending all your time on here and get a life you sad c*nt. It’s pathetic you spend 17 hours a day on a boxing forum. Seriously you must be like 40+, no relationship, no vocation, no social life. I actually pity you. “Used to be a reporter for the Daily Star”😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I’ve heard it all now... CAN YOU VERIFY THIS????? Cause you are lying through your teeth. It’s absolutely embarrassing, you absolute shambles. I have a degree in journalism and there is NO WAY you are a journalist, you constantly make unsubstantiated statements and refuse to reveal sources. Case and point- the “supposed” WBC statement. You go the Solly do you??? Interesting... I know a couple of guys from there. I suppose you know exactly who Tom, Ray, Carl etc are then??? Full of *****🤣🤣🤣🤣 “Boxing needs UFC’s biggest star to sell PPV’s”😭😭😭😭😭 Floyd has sold 2m+ several times including over 4m against Pacquiao. Conor has NEVER done that apart from against Floyd. So who needed who exactly??? “UFC is on an upward trajectory” yet doing significantly worse in 2017 compared to 2016😭😭 The viewership was also down 29% in 2017, “upward trajectory doe”😭😭 Industries like Boxing and MMA peak and trough, it’s the nature of the beast cause they’re success is largely based on the stars involved. Both are continuously developing industries, but boxing still remains far ahead of UFC/MMA. You’d have to be a fanboy or literal retard to argue otherwise... Hence why you’re arguing the point.😂😂 Anyway you can tell all the LIES you want, the truth is you’re just a lonely little middle aged man who’s that desperate for some sort of social interaction they spend hour after hour on a boxing forum😬😬😬 I actually have a life and the World Cup’s in full swing, so I probably won’t be on here Saturday. I’ll take you to school again on Saturday you sad little b@stard.

I appreciate the clarification but suggest my point still holds. Either you go for complete transparency and allow people to make their judgements on both the organisation that's paying you and their motives or accept that any reasonable observer would conclude that you are posting according to an agenda and that therefore it's reasonable to assume a level of bias must inform your output here. I've been honest about who I've worked for in the past. I've been honest about friends helping me with this account. I've been honest about my friendship with Sulaiman. I'm only accused of an agenda because this site is primarily UK fans and they don't like being told that they're constantly fooled by Eddie Hearn. But there's no way to post honestly without admitting that Eddie Hearn is constantly lying (just as Arum, De La Hoya, Duva, etc are constantly lying). It's part of the job. Hearn is the best at his job, and therefore obviously a very skilled liar and manipulator. That is not a criticism. That is praise. Calling a promoter a great liar is like calling a bodybuilder very muscular. It's not an insult.

I don't represent the interests of the organizations. If I did, I wouldn't have repeatedly advocated for their destruction. The day they lose their stranglehold will be a great day for the sport of boxing. The entity that pays me to post here has not given me any agenda to push. My job is to simply clear upt misconceptions about how the boxing business operates. I am free to criticize or praise whoever I wish. I appreciate the clarification but suggest my point still holds. Either you go for complete transparency and allow people to make their judgements on both the organisation that's paying you and their motives or accept that any reasonable observer would conclude that you are posting according to an agenda and that therefore it's reasonable to assume a level of bias must inform your output here.

Either, as you contend, you are being paid to post here and in some sense represent the interests of the organisations in your username, in which case you are by your own words biased in favour of those interests, or, you're not who you claim to be and your contributions can be dismissed I don't represent the interests of the organizations. If I did, I wouldn't have repeatedly advocated for their destruction. The day they lose their stranglehold will be a great day for the sport of boxing. The entity that pays me to post here has not given me any agenda to push. My job is to simply clear up misconceptions about how the boxing business operates. I am free to criticize or praise whoever I wish.

What is the bias? It's very simple. Either, as you contend, you are being paid to post here and in some sense represent the interests of the organisations in your username, in which case you are by your own words biased in favour of those interests, or, you're not who you claim to be and your contributions can be dismissed as the idle scribblings of the forum Walter Mitty, seeking to attribute additional weight to your speculations by formulating an industry background and semi-official status. When I read you I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word, which means that I accept there's a level of bias in your contributions but that doesn't mean you won't also come up with a good point. If you're going to argue that there's no bias however then I can't take your explanation concerning your identity and the account seriously and neither should anyone else. tldr? You can't have it both ways amigo. ;)

Hearn met with Joshua a few days ago, and the boxer made it clear that he wants to fight Wilder on UK soil. Joshua's last three fights drew massive crowds, with 90,000 at his April 2017 bout with Wladimir Klitschko in Wembley, 76,000 for the October 2017 bout with Carlos Takam at Principality, and the same number for the March 2018 unification with Joseph Parker at Principality. However, Hearn admits the contest would make more money if the event was staged in the United States. Wilder's handler's have offered Joshua a guarantee of $50 million to make the fight on American soil. “I met with Anthony and his coach Rob McCracken on Tuesday to discuss our next move. AJ feels like he deserves it to the UK fans who have supported him up until now to make sure it happens at home," Hearn told BoxingScene.com's Declan Taylor. “It gets to the stage where we are asking ‘Why are we looking to do this in the US?’ Because it’s more money – but is that really important? “At the moment the fight makes more money in America but he feels like he owes it to the UK fans to do it at home.” On Thursday, Hearn staged a press conference in New York City to officially announce an eight-year, $1 billion deal with global streaming company Perform Group. Hearn's company will now stage 16 shows in the United States every year, while Perform Group will stream 16 of his UK cards live in the US - through the DAZN streaming service. “This is a truly historic moment for boxing and a very proud moment for me, my family and everyone at Matchroom," Hearn said.

still lying when you posted this just in this exact same thread? you have one joint account and at least one other account on here. come on man. All three of us ceased using our previous individual accounts the day we created this joint account. None of us post from any other account. This is our only account.

Did hearn ask for proof of funds, he said he didnt Eddie Hearn insists the $50 million which Deontay Wilder has offered Anthony Joshua is of interest but wants to see proof of funds and the prospective venue and date when he meets Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon on Friday. Wilder e-mailed Hearn the offer for Joshua to fight him for the undisputed heavyweight championship in their next bout -- before the end of this year -- both sides told ESPN. But despite admitting they would take the offer seriously, Hearn was adamant that a number of issues need to be ironed out before a deal can be agreed. "They want total control of the show, date and venue of their choice. Not necessarily a deal breaker but if it is serious, we need to look at it, proof of funds, proper contract see the terms and what they require from us and we go from there," Hearn told IFL TV.

Thats exactly how it goes down ?:fingersx: NO its not , even Don King got a chuckle when asked about the 50 Million offer that included NO stipulations attached to it ! What went down was Hearn scheduled a meeting weeks prior to ACTUALLY discuss negotiating the fight and it was met with CANCELLATIONS ! That is a FACT :lol1:. Now what happens after that despite your revisions is stalling on team Wilders part for months and ending with more stalling on a contract they AGREED too . You guys want to keep ignoring that though right ? lol O.K carry on story telling about b.s not associated to actually making the fight happen , thats what you guys do best on here ! :fing02: Team Wilder countered with a guaranteed offer of $50 million. Hearn and Joshua wanted to proof of funds - which they apparently received from Wilder co-manager Shelly Finkel. The two sides have been in communication over the past two days, with very positive talks, and Hearn believes the fight is now much closer to coming off. Asked how likely the fight was to be agreed, Hearn exclusively told Sky Sports: “70 percent.” “Their side has been very vocal in letting the media know about everything that is happening. We’ve had some positive conversations over the past day or so. Negotiations are ongoing and we’re all hopeful to reach an agreement." Hearn issued some additional questions to Team Wilder, which the British promoter believes will be a true turning point in getting a deal wrapped up. " I will go back with some very simple questions, which hopefully they can answer, to put us in a position to know whether it is worth talking. We sent them night. They can’t not answer those questions. I believe they want to make the fight," Hearn said. If a deal is not reached for whatever reason, Joshua will likely make a mandatory defense against Alexander Povetkin of Russia. The WBA recently ordered Joshua to make a mandatory defense against Povetkin. “Povetkin is the guy we have to fight next,” Hearn explained. “If we fight Wilder, Povetkin will wait. Would we apply for a voluntary? Maybe. Would the WBA allow it? Maybe. But, really, it is Wilder or Povetkin. We are talking to Miller, but mainly we are talking to Povetkin because he is the guy we’ll have to fight if we don’t fight Wilder.”

That is a lie. This is my only account. haha. Each of us had one previous account ever here. We decided to open a joint account. None of us has had 3 or 4 iden****** ever here, let alone the past several years. still lying when you posted this just in this exact same thread? you have one joint account and at least one other account on here. come on man. oh and this is my last reply to you. have at it. you're a fraud who is not worth debating with.

coupled with a bias against joshua and hearn. What is the bias? I think Hearn is the best promoter on the planet and I think Joshua is the best fighter on the planet. But I also realize that any competent promoter with the #1 cash cow isn't going to be in a rush to put him in the ring with the most dangerous puncher. the WBA rules clearly justifies or allows for unification to trump mandatory. but it is NOT a given It's a given. They always approve it. We both know it would have been approved. A mere formality. To suggest otherwise is either extremely naive or deliberately obtuse.

Because that is the language the WBA uses to justify approving unification over mandatory. Every time. All of the orgs approve unification over mandatory every time except the caveat with the IBF of it being too late once a purse bid is ordered. ok. this will be my second to last reply to you on this. you clearly have (or are pretending to have) a comprehension problem, coupled with a bias against joshua and hearn. the WBA rules clearly justifies or allows for unification to trump mandatory. but it is NOT a given, and each case is still subject to approval or denial by WBA at any time and for any reason.

Thats exactly how it goes down ?:fingersx: NO its not , even Don King got a chuckle when asked about the 50 Million offer that included NO stipulations attached to it ! What went down was Hearn scheduled a meeting weeks prior to ACTUALLY discuss negotiating the fight and it was met with CANCELLATIONS ! That is a FACT :lol1:. Now what happens after that despite your revisions is stalling on team Wilders part for months and ending with more stalling on a contract they AGREED too . You guys want to keep ignoring that though right ? lol O.K carry on story telling about b.s not associated to actually making the fight happen , thats what you guys do best on here ! :fing02: this article was posted on this site and many more was it a lie? While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there. Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK. If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States. "It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.

But Hearn didn't ask for a contract. he asked for a meeting. which was flat out denied :lol1: Absolutely amateur stuff. If Wilder and his team genuinely wanted to make the fight and had a serious way of giving a proper offer with guaranteed funds etc, they'd have no problem discussing it like a normal person. Instead they acted like children and cancelled everything. which has pretty much been the gist of everything they've done in this entire saga, ever since Wilder came out for the first time and said AJ had been ducking him for years. hahahaha While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there. Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK. If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States. "It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson. "If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first." Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium. He doesn't like the idea of having his biggest fight before a watered down crowd of British fans. "AJ asked me how many British fans could get tickets if the fight was in America and could get over and I said about 6,000 and that's after we have done 250,000 in three fights and it doesn't seem right," Hearn said. "He's keen to do the fight in the U.K. and from Rob's point of view it's an advantage. If it's in September it gives us the ability to go outside and we would have to consider Cardiff , Wembley, the Olympic Stadium, Twickenham and Old Trafford. AJ wants it in London preferably

Thats exactly how it goes down ?:fingersx: NO its not , even Don King got a chuckle when asked about the 50 Million offer that included NO stipulations attached to it ! What went down was Hearn scheduled a meeting weeks prior to ACTUALLY discuss negotiating the fight and it was met with CANCELLATIONS ! That is a FACT :lol1:. Now what happens after that despite your revisions is stalling on team Wilders part for months and ending with more stalling on a contract they AGREED too . You guys want to keep ignoring that though right ? lol O.K carry on story telling about b.s not associated to actually making the fight happen , thats what you guys do best on here ! :fing02: did hearn want to discuss the 50 million dollar offer or not? did hearn hearn ever actually discuss the 50 million dollar offer? show this to me. does he think the fight is bigger in the us or the UK? does he question on july 6 whether or not funds were secure? i spelled out in another post what this "meeting" looks like. the parties meet because hearn finds the most important terms of the 50 million dollar offer agreeable. he wants the fight. those terms are 50 million dollars with an upside, fight is next and in 2018, fight is in the US. they go out to dinner, get to know each other a little bit, talk about a few elements of the negotiation, but also the elements of hte promotion and working together in that regard. you need to have some kind of a relationship with the principals if you're putting up that kind of risk and making that kind of money together. this is what would primarily occur at this "meeting." hearn is not bound by any of this! contracts would later be hashed out element for element, word for word literally, by lawyers. those are binding! hearns "agreement" to come to the table was simply a symbol of agreement with the terms; specifically that he was comfortable with 50 million for a fight in the US and in 2018. he didn't do that. he's on record saying that they're willing to take less money to have hte fight in the UK. he's done everything under the sun to keep this fight from happening next. you're blind or stupid if you cannot see that.

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I understand business, and I understand people. Which is why I know full well there is no valid reason not to sit down with someone you are trying to make a $50 million deal with. You can't claim to understand THIS business when you were a money mark who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars so you could play fantasy boxing promoter. Finkel is the most successful manager in heavyweight history. The fact that you won't even consider, for one second, that he may have thought of reasons you didn't think of, is absolutely hilarious. The simplest reason is often the most likely. Shelly didnt take the meeting, because on some level, he didnt want to make that particular deal at this particular time. That's not the simplest reason. The simplest reason is that Finkel thought taking the meeting would weaken their position. You're either unaware of, or inexperienced in, the psychological games and foreplay that go on between two top negotiators in a massive deal of this nature. Especially in boxing where the result of a fight can be so catastrophic to your business. We've seen that in the end, Hearn simply didn't want the 50 million offer. He's admitted, on record, that AJ would rather take 35 million in the UK than 50 million in the US. I guarantee you AJ didn't come to that conclusion on his own. Any fighter in the world would rather take 50 million for a fight than 35 million for a fight. Even if the fight had to be on the moon. So that is Hearn having to convince his fighter not to take the richest deal in heavyweight history. At the time Hearn was going to be in NY for the Jacobs fight, Finkel's position was that it was the 50 million US deal or no deal at all. After the low ball 12.5 million flat fee, Wilder's side needed to create some leverage and strength, which they did with the 50 million offer. For Hearn to refuse to say whether 50 million was enough, and want to sit down without revealing his position, if Finkel agrees to that sit down, he's weakening his stance that it's the 50 million offer or there's nothing else to discuss. Shortly after Finkel refuses to meet to discuss anything else, Hearn increases his offer by several million dollars. So I'm not sure how we can criticize Finkel's decision when it so quickly resulted in the other side budging. You look at everything in such simple terms because you're a very simple minded person. I completely get it that your brain can't fathom why you'd turn down that meeting. The nuance and the art involved in the early stages of a boxing negotiation at such a high level just isn't something you'll ever understand. But high level operators are playing a mental chess you're simply not cut out for. They're testing each other. They're looking for weakness. There's all sorts of gamesmanship and psychology taking place as they test each other out and poke and prod. Finkel takes a very no nonsense approach. That's the way he's always been. The numbers are what the numbers are and he likes to cut through a lot of the bull****. He was never going to meet until he had a thumbs up or down on the 50 million.