The kid can crack. If he fought like Rios, he'd have more KOs. He doesn't. He's a proven boxer with an extensive and impressive amateur record.
I don't think he goes into fights looking for a KO. If he hurts a guy, he's shown that he can finish. He shows patience and poise in the ring. He may not collect as many KOs fighting this way, but it will sure lengthen his career in the long run.
Pretty much what I wanted to say
I don't think Manny can box Canelo without being touched. Say what you will about the comparison with Margarito because although Canelo is slow footed his has fast hands and is accurate too. For Manny to win he'd have to box a disciplined fight the way he fought David Diaz, DLH & Cotto before he eventually got to them. Canelo would find Manny a lot easier than he did against Floyd and his stamina isn't as bad as it was made out to be, he'd stay with Manny and knock him out.
A point to note: as much as I like Floyd, just about anyone else in history would, and has, been stripped of their title if they don't fight within six months or a year.
Floyd has, very bizarrely, been allowed to keep his Ring/lineal title he got from Mosley for a year and half before fighting Ortiz, then allow to hold on to it for just shy of two years without a fight at 147 before Guerrero. Between winning it from Mosley and winning the lineal title from Canelo recently, he's had just two fights there. That's two fights in three and a half years.
If you went through every lineal champ who moved up, fought and won another lineal title, but was allowed to keep his other title for nearly two years without a isn't, you'd come up with a list of one. Floyd Mayweather. Every other fighter would have been stripped long ago.
When rules change for one fighter alone, and thus gives him a reasonably unique feat, while many other fighters who have done the same thing aren't gifted with the same feat, it kind of kills it.
Floyd really didn't achieve it in the same way previous fighters have done so. He was given it and then allowed to keep it, while the other fighters earned it and had to keep earning it.
Duran wasn't allowed to keep his lineal lightweight title for nearly two years while he fought and won the lineal welterweight title, yet Floyd was.
Great achievement in itself nonetheless, but its very, very shallow historically in terms of lineal titles.
Great post.
I've always said I hated Pacquiao-De La Hoya, which was at a weight Oscar hadn't been in 8-9 years, but Manny had to take that fight to become a mega star, so it is what it is. Oscar asked for it and he got it.
I've also always said Manny should have and could have just went to 147 for Cotto, but that the 2 lbs played no part in him beating Cotto up. Cotto was still solid and healthy on fight night, gave a good account of himself the first 4 rounds, and was taken over after that by a superior fighter.
Same goes for Canelo. It's not like Ward-Dawson, where a reasonable CW of 172-173 wasn't even offered, Dawson had go south 7 lbs to a weight class he hadn't been in 6 years. I give Ward very very little credit for that win. Canelo is going 2 lbs south of his weight, should be fine and healthy on fight night. But just like Pac-Cotto, Floyd should have and could have just taken it at 154. But I still give Floyd credit for this fight, just like I've always given Manny credit for Cotto.
But.....to those of you who crucified Manny for fighting Cotto at 145, you better do the same for Floyd. And for those of you who approved and were cool with Pac-Cotto at 145, as I was, than you better keep it 100 with Floyd-Canelo too.
I agree. I think fans should be happy this fight is taking place at all. If anything Canelo should just weigh-in at the 154 limit, those 2 extra pounds will be chump change compared to the money he'll be making anyway.
Garcia winning depends on his discipline and stamina to box from the outside for 12 rounds and the toughness of his chin once Matthysse puts hands on him.
But Garcia has relatively slow feet and I don't see him being agile enough to stay away from Matthysse without eating power shots.
Mid-range and on the inside Garcia is capable of landing short, quick, powerful counters but if he can't dent Matthysse eventually Lucas will to get him.
Both fighters are there to be hit because both are accurate punchers and slow footed, Garcia could outbox Matthysee but I can see Matthysee punishing Garcia, not necessarily stopping him, certainly hurting Danny enough on his way to a UD win.
Cotto was never THE man at any weight he fought at.
He was belt holder at 140 while Mayweather, Tszyu and Hatton were there. At 147, Mayweather was the lineal champion and at 154 he was just another titlist.
At no point in his career could you say Cotto was the top dog in any division he fought at.
Compare that with Mosley, who was the man at 135, skipped a division and dethroned prime De La Hoya at WW then beat him again at 154.
Head to head, a close but clear victory over a 36 year old Mosley is still Cotto's best win, that right there is testament to Shane's greatness.
Based on that fight, prime Mosley KO's Cotto.
certain things you have to get in the ring to understand.boxing isnt as simple as just go in there and fight, for someone whos never done it it might seem that way but it isnt. when you get hit so hard most of your body shuts down and goes numb you might be able to understand why someone becomes cautius.
sure everyone whos never fought say they would just let it all hang out and if they get knocked out they get knocked out, but those ppl are usually the same guys who ran from every fight in their life. its easy to talk from an armachair, when someone is beating you up in front of your friends and family and the crowd is yelling things change.
great post.
He never ducked Kostya Tszyu.
If you get in to an argument with these fools long enough, you will start hearing Floyd ducked Vivian Harris.
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Dont use lay off excuses to praise Floyd, cos Floyd wouldnt have it any other way. He performs best after lay offs. If he fought regularly hed have 3 losses now.
Floyd isnt some charity case, poor lil Floyd he had a long lay, let him fight some mexican roadsweepers.
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. How does taking lay offs make you a better fighter? Aging and inactivity causing ring rust is what long periods of lay offs do to fighters.
Ward is a bit of an enigma, granted he's not a big KO puncher that will get casual fans excited but he's a relatively young undefeated champion, Olympic gold medalist and a complete fighter, having arguably cleaned out his division and considered by many to be pound for pound the second best fighter in the sport. Yet despite all of this he doesn't have a huge following, enough to draw big crowds and generate PPV revenue. Crazy. With that said all that could change if he can score spectacular KO or two and land some marquee names (Martinez/Hopkins).
dont put me in that catagory. 1st of all Trout is bigger. 2nd, I was speaking of both of them. I feel the same way about them both.
Its everyone else who contradicts themselves. They like to have it both ways so if Floyd wins its nothing. If you look at the Canelo-Trout face to face, its night & day with Floyd. They are much bigger. Again, if he fights them then great but I dont think he has to fight them.
Its the same about everything. Everyone thinks Floyd-Ghost is a joke yet if Ghost fights anyone else from 135-147 its a great fight. There isnt one person from WW on down that Floyd can fight right now without getting ripped yet nearly any other fight at 140-147 are great fights no matter who the matchup is.
He's being penalyzed for being too good. He only comes into the ring at 150 yet isnt allowed to fight anyone at 140-147. He has to fight these huge guys that are an inch away from the MW division or he's a coward. Meanwhile everyone is ok with those same guys not even going up 1 divison let alone 5
Great post.
On my watch Canelo wasn't active enough, almost every time he opened up he was the better man landing the more telling blows but as I say he didn't do enough of this. He took long stretches off, giving Trout the impetus to dictate the action. He never appeared hurt from Trout's punches so I'm guessing Canelo is lacking in the stamina department, this would account for his relatively low output. I can't give rounds for fighting for 1 minute and then taking 2 minutes off, Trout made the action, Canelo reacted to it. 114-113 Trout.
Stallone should have a scene in the jungle and Ortiz is wearing Camouflage standing still and some one says, "do you really think no one can see you?" then Ortiz looks at the camera and says, "Shhhh! I'm a tree, bro".
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Floyd was made to work almost every round but it wasn't close on the scorecards. I gave Cotto 3 rounds. In their respective primes Mayweather wins at 140 and 147.
UFC is a brand, it's own league, it has structure. The owners have a mandate to keep making that brand stronger and grow it's fanbase, and all their fighters are tied down to that one promoter, so they can't refuse to make the biggest fights possible, it goes against their agenda. As another poster said, they have a high turnover of fighters with many different styles to mix and match, to produce the best fights consistently, you can make your bones fast if you can generate hype and momentum quickly, you don't need to be 10+ years in the game before you headline your first PPV if the fans want it, and they'll pay for it too because they're fans of the BRAND not just specific fighters, they'll support regardless. They also get value for money with stacked undercards.
Whereas boxing is too fragmented, promotion wise, organization wise, it's pretty much the wild west and is free market, neo-liberal capitalism in action. There's no loyalty to the sport as whole because there isn't one unifying umbrella company that oversees the entire sport, just a bunch of disparate states breaking bread with one and other at their convenience to the detriment of fans overall. Boxing will not die, but it needs to clean up its act fast. This new generation of combat sport fans are losing interest, when these baby boomers die out we'll see where boxing stands.
Nelo is too small. I don't see GGG losing to a smaller man. Jacobs had height, reach, skills and athleticism and the CHIN to do what he did.
Canelo is short, stocky and cemented footed, has a low punch output, I'm even not sure he has the chin to punch with Golovkin let alone out box him for 12 rounds
All road leads to Floyd Mayweather?
Mayweather paid off the judges?
America doesn't want anyone to over take TBE?
hashtag# TBE illuminati blood sacrifices
Might be a collective mental block channeled subconsciously through pop culture and boxing history that prevents fighters from getting over that coveted hump....
Larry Holmes went 48-0 too before falling
That's why Golovkin went 8 rounds with Amar Amari who also rocked ggg. Same Amari that HBO contextualized last night is smaller compared to Alvarez.
I wasn't aware of that, I didn't watch the HBO telecast, thanks
Well, Golovkin isn't the same fighter since that fight like Jacobs isn't same since Pirog knocked him out cold
Foreign judges or not, house always wins. Who was the favorite going into the fight? Casinos aren't in the business of giving away money.
An immediate rematch is due