the term BORING means "wins fights clearly/hard to beat" on NSB

There are a lot of poster on NSB who claim to be fans of boxing but expose themselves daily as casual fans or fans of fighters. The beauty of the sport of boxing is that there are so many different styles. If you don't like a particular style....dont watch. Why ***** and complain about it being boring just don't watch. For every Mike Tyson there is a Sweet Pea, for every Duran there is a Willie Pep. I like a skilled defensive fighter who neutralizes an opponents offense like Ward, and I also like a guy that can bash like Kov. So I am excited to see these two in the ring together. STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. I haven't watch GGG since the Monroe fight, because I find it boring seeing him fight no hopers. People here have called Floyd boring. I think that is nonsense. When he was beating the brakes off Gatti and Correles he was far from boring. The first Maidana fight was far from boring. Why? because Maidana decided he was going to go balls to the wall and NOT LET Floyd pot shot him for 12 rounds. Floyd showed his excellent in-fighting skills and came away with a victory. Floyd Pac was boring because Pac came to collect a check and not get knocked out. Hence he said "if he stop moving, I hit him". It is not Floyd's job to stop moving, it is Pac's job to cut him off and make him fight like Maidana did. If you find a guy boring, then he will stay that way unless he is in with a guy that can pressure him into doing something different. Ward will always be boring to some until someone forces him into a fight where he has to do something different. GGG will be questioned by many until he is in with someone who can force him into fighting a different style. That is what boxing is in a nutshell. One guy IMPOSING his will/style on his opponent. The great ones do it better than the rest. greenk sent. good post.

no hoper a is the same fighter in both instances. he gets outboxed in one fight, and stops really trying after 4 rounds. boring decision. he gets beat up in the other fight. he can't stop trying if he wants to, because ass whipper x is going to knock him out. objectively more exciting than a boring decision. your biases can manifest however you'd like them to. still doesn't change the fact taht an objective person finds it more exciting to see a guy forced to fight and get knocked out than it does to watch a guy give up and get away with surviving for 8 rounds. you didn't answer the question you changed it to fit your perspective. I am asking about the A side. we don't watch fights for the opponent so no hoper A isn't the same guy. An example of your point would be Berto- FLoyd/Berto, Ortiz/Berto, Soto Karass/Berto and Ghost/Berto. In this case, yes Floyd/Berto was the least exciting of all the fights. Obviously, Floyd was much better than Berto and shouldn't have been fighting him. Now can you please answer the question I posed.

There are a lot of poster on NSB who claim to be fans of boxing but expose themselves daily as casual fans or fans of fighters. The beauty of the sport of boxing is that there are so many different styles. If you don't like a particular style....dont watch. Why ***** and complain about it being boring just don't watch. For every Mike Tyson there is a Sweet Pea, for every Duran there is a Willie Pep. I like a skilled defensive fighter who neutralizes an opponents offense like Ward, and I also like a guy that can bash like Kov. So I am excited to see these two in the ring together. STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. I haven't watch GGG since the Monroe fight, because I find it boring seeing him fight no hopers. People here have called Floyd boring. I think that is nonsense. When he was beating the brakes off Gatti and Correles he was far from boring. The first Maidana fight was far from boring. Why? because Maidana decided he was going to go balls to the wall and NOT LET Floyd pot shot him for 12 rounds. Floyd showed his excellent in-fighting skills and came away with a victory. Floyd Pac was boring because Pac came to collect a check and not get knocked out. Hence he said "if he stop moving, I hit him". It is not Floyd's job to stop moving, it is Pac's job to cut him off and make him fight like Maidana did. If you find a guy boring, then he will stay that way unless he is in with a guy that can pressure him into doing something different. Ward will always be boring to some until someone forces him into a fight where he has to do something different. GGG will be questioned by many until he is in with someone who can force him into fighting a different style. That is what boxing is in a nutshell. One guy IMPOSING his will/style on his opponent. The great ones do it better than the rest. Probably the best post I've seen all year on this forum. Good stuff.

I think the difference is the no hoper A that gets KO'd isn't much of a fighter and has no chance to win. But no hoper A that loses the 8 rounds is a top fighter that many believe has a chance to win. So, as an example we have Canelo/Trout, Canelo/Lara, Canelo/Kahn and Canelo/Kirkland. Which of these was truly "exciting"? no hoper a is the same fighter in both instances. he gets outboxed in one fight, and stops really trying after 4 rounds. boring decision. he gets beat up in the other fight. he can't stop trying if he wants to, because ass whipper x is going to knock him out. objectively more exciting than a boring decision. your biases can manifest however you'd like them to. still doesn't change the fact taht an objective person finds it more exciting to see a guy forced to fight and get knocked out than it does to watch a guy give up and get away with surviving for 8 rounds.

it's objectively much more exciting to see no hoper A fighting for his life than no hoper A bottling it and surviving for 8 rounds. I think the difference is the no hoper A that gets KO'd isn't much of a fighter and has no chance to win. But no hoper A that loses the 8 rounds is a top fighter that many believe has a chance to win. So, as an example we have Canelo/Trout, Canelo/Lara, Canelo/Kahn and Canelo/Kirkland. Which of these was truly "exciting"?

Does fighting and KOing vastly inferior opponents mitigate excitement in any way? it's objectively much more exciting to see no hoper A fighting for his life than no hoper A bottling it and surviving for 8 rounds.

There are a lot of poster on NSB who claim to be fans of boxing but expose themselves daily as casual fans or fans of fighters. The beauty of the sport of boxing is that there are so many different styles. If you don't like a particular style....dont watch. Why ***** and complain about it being boring just don't watch. For every Mike Tyson there is a Sweet Pea, for every Duran there is a Willie Pep. I like a skilled defensive fighter who neutralizes an opponents offense like Ward, and I also like a guy that can bash like Kov. So I am excited to see these two in the ring together. STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. I haven't watch GGG since the Monroe fight, because I find it boring seeing him fight no hopers. People here have called Floyd boring. I think that is nonsense. When he was beating the brakes off Gatti and Correles he was far from boring. The first Maidana fight was far from boring. Why? because Maidana decided he was going to go balls to the wall and NOT LET Floyd pot shot him for 12 rounds. Floyd showed his excellent in-fighting skills and came away with a victory. Floyd Pac was boring because Pac came to collect a check and not get knocked out. Hence he said "if he stop moving, I hit him". It is not Floyd's job to stop moving, it is Pac's job to cut him off and make him fight like Maidana did. If you find a guy boring, then he will stay that way unless he is in with a guy that can pressure him into doing something different. Ward will always be boring to some until someone forces him into a fight where he has to do something different. GGG will be questioned by many until he is in with someone who can force him into fighting a different style. That is what boxing is in a nutshell. One guy IMPOSING his will/style on his opponent. The great ones do it better than the rest. ^^^great post.:cool3:

But you said GGG needs to fight a name fighter, those dudes are nobody. Beating them is no different than beating anyone at 160. Dude has beat 7 top 10 guys at 160, and here you are still leaking, calling for the amberlamps. None go those "7 top ten" fighters can hold a candle to James Degale and arent as dangerous as Badou jack, Zurda is a big sturdy guy with some power you really think Martin Murray and Geale are more dangerous than DeGale...a gold medallist and #1 at 168? be a man and admit you are afraid GGG would lose if comp gets stiffer

But ggg is at least a 5/1 odds against everyone in his division. You guys give him flak but then turn around and praise Crawford for postol when Crawford was a 7/1 favorite. At least be consistent with your standards. I picked Postol to win the fight as a 6-1 underdog. I gave Crawford credit for his performance the same way I give GGG credit for his skillset. My point about his KO and defenses streak is its not as organic as some of his fans suggest. An example is Sergio Mora. He tried to fight GGG years ago. HBO wouldn't approve that fight. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648824 A few posters felt GGG was going to win he just was less likely to get a KO given Mora's awkward style. In fairness, I believe GGG and his team eventually made Mora an offer.

There are a lot of poster on NSB who claim to be fans of boxing but expose themselves daily as casual fans or fans of fighters. The beauty of the sport of boxing is that there are so many different styles. If you don't like a particular style....dont watch. Why ***** and complain about it being boring just don't watch. For every Mike Tyson there is a Sweet Pea, for every Duran there is a Willie Pep. I like a skilled defensive fighter who neutralizes an opponents offense like Ward, and I also like a guy that can bash like Kov. So I am excited to see these two in the ring together. STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. I haven't watch GGG since the Monroe fight, because I find it boring seeing him fight no hopers. People here have called Floyd boring. I think that is nonsense. When he was beating the brakes off Gatti and Correles he was far from boring. The first Maidana fight was far from boring. Why? because Maidana decided he was going to go balls to the wall and NOT LET Floyd pot shot him for 12 rounds. Floyd showed his excellent in-fighting skills and came away with a victory. Floyd Pac was boring because Pac came to collect a check and not get knocked out. Hence he said "if he stop moving, I hit him". It is not Floyd's job to stop moving, it is Pac's job to cut him off and make him fight like Maidana did. If you find a guy boring, then he will stay that way unless he is in with a guy that can pressure him into doing something different. Ward will always be boring to some until someone forces him into a fight where he has to do something different. GGG will be questioned by many until he is in with someone who can force him into fighting a different style. That is what boxing is in a nutshell. One guy IMPOSING his will/style on his opponent. The great ones do it better than the rest.

For me its because his defenses and KO streaks are a function of fighting men like Wade, Ouma, and a string of no hopers who are at least 7-1 or 8-1 underdogs. That statement implies boxers are in front of you, not dishwashers and garbagemen. It doesn't work here because posters like you in the past said the statement wasn't good at analyzing a fighter. You guys decided the better way to analyze a fighter is by drilling down into his resume to check the quality not just the names. Then you would point out the opponents flaws as a way of lowering a fighter his fans elevated. Why aren't you doing that here with GGG? But ggg is at least a 5/1 odds against everyone in his division. You guys give him flak but then turn around and praise Crawford for postol when Crawford was a 7/1 favorite. At least be consistent with your standards.

For me its because his defenses and KO streaks are a function of fighting men like Wade, Ouma, and a string of no hopers who are at least 7-1 or 8-1 underdogs. That statement implies boxers are in front of you, not dishwashers and garbagemen. It doesn't work here because posters like you in the past said the statement wasn't good at analyzing a fighter. You guys decided the better way to analyze a fighter is by drilling down into his resume to check the quality not just the names. Then you would point out the opponents flaws as a way of lowering a fighter his fans elevated. Why aren't you doing that here with GGG? So how is ward pfp # 1?

if you have to ask that, you dont know ***** about boxing....the guys i mentioned at top 3 in their division.....GGG is fighting unranked guys and welterweights and you really dont see the difference :trink26: But you said GGG needs to fight a name fighter, those dudes are nobody. Beating them is no different than beating anyone at 160. Dude has beat 7 top 10 guys at 160, and here you are still leaking, calling for the amberlamps.

But its the supposed "real fans", who are always talking about ppvs, and money, and neilson ratings. You cats are always talking about "Boxing is a business". But what makes the guys you brought up worth more than who he has already beat? Nothing. if you have to ask that, you dont know ***** about boxing....the guys i mentioned at top 3 in their division.....GGG is fighting unranked guys and welterweights and you really dont see the difference :trink26:

For me its because his defenses and KO streaks are a function of fighting men like Wade, Ouma, and a string of no hopers who are at least 7-1 or 8-1 underdogs. That statement implies boxers are in front of you, not dishwashers and garbagemen. It doesn't work here because posters like you in the past said the statement wasn't good at analyzing a fighter. You guys decided the better way to analyze a fighter is by drilling down into his resume to check the quality not just the names. Then you would point out the opponents flaws as a way of lowering a fighter his fans elevated. Why aren't you doing that here with GGG? do the defenses even matter....when he got the belt he fougth a no name for it and held the "regular title" then got elevated, he didnt even fight for the title......also he isnt lineal so what defenses? what record? alphabet title defenses?

If he gets to the record for most title defenses and continues his KO streak, why not? Like you guys always used to say, "he beats everyone they put in front of him". How come that doesn't work in this case? For me its because his defenses and KO streaks are a function of fighting men like Wade, Ouma, and a string of no hopers who are at least 7-1 or 8-1 underdogs. That statement implies boxers are in front of you, not dishwashers and garbagemen. It doesn't work here because posters like you in the past said the statement wasn't good at analyzing a fighter. You guys decided the better way to analyze a fighter is by drilling down into his resume to check the quality not just the names. Then you would point out the opponents flaws as a way of lowering a fighter his fans elevated. Why aren't you doing that here with GGG?

the bolded was the funniest thing i've read in a long time..."greatest middleweight ever" lol....he can start by proving he is the best today, you k now, by actually fighting and beating the top middleweights...he has not and is in no conversation for greatest anything....bwahahahahahahaha excuses, excuses.....you enjoy the mismatches, its obvious that you dont care who he fights as long as he is heavily favored to win a real fan dont give a damn if the fights on PPV or not....Lemieux was on ppv and he is less know than DeGale, Jack, and Zurda next time dont bring up race, makes you look like a fool....i never brought up race, you brought that bull to the table anyway, you just made it obvious you are one of the guys I spoke of in the OP, you illustrate your position daily. you're a fan boy this isnt a GGG thread But its the supposed "real fans", who are always talking about ppvs, and money, and neilson ratings. You cats are always talking about "Boxing is a business". But what makes the guys you brought up worth more than who he has already beat? Nothing.

you honestly think his resume allows him to stake a claim as the greatest MW ever? If he gets to the record for most title defenses and continues his KO streak, why not? Like you guys always used to say, "he beats everyone they put in front of him". How come that doesn't work in this case?

you honestly think his resume allows him to stake a claim as the greatest MW ever? he says things for a reaction...realized it months ago....i never see this guy around the board until i make a thread that hits the fan boys in a soft spot

I honestly think that this is the first time, that a fanbase of people have dissuaded me from being a fan of a boxer. I liked him to start out with, but everytime I get on this site, people act like GGG has done something incredible remarkable - Which he has not. He hasn't done ****. I honestly don't like that other people affect how I see a boxer, but people simply give this man so much stock when in fact, he's the same age as Paulie Mallignaggi (Who even has a better resume than him), his in 1 division which he rules, fair game and last why the hell did I make this comment. It's so offtopic I can't even.... Had to get it out. these dudes literally turned my thread into a GGG thread, unknowingly exposing themselves as the people that I was speaking of on this site manny of them are Danny Garcia, Mayweather, Ward, rigo, etc detractors that are upset these guys beat their favorite fighter so they jumped ship and ride ggg nuts now i thought the pac fanatics were crazy but at least they were bigging up a proven, all time great this guy GGG has been handed 2 out 3 belts, hasnt beat anyone elite and they act like we are witnessing a legend...he aint done ,uch i love trolling his fans, i like him as a fighter, respect his skills but many of his die hard fans are casual fans that dont know much about boxing