Who won : kovalev or ward?

Ward won. Kovalev conceded the inside game by holding repeatedly which I think underscored the lack of preparedness he had for each and every facet of the fight. Ward made kov uncomfortable and changed the tide of the fight, he was the ring general.

a robbery is a robbery. if a robber steals a million dollars do the police say well at least it wasnt 2 million like last week. it was a robbery because you cant reasonably score 7 roudns for ward. just wasnt there. maybe watching it live with al lthe distractions, emotion, commentaries, etc...you might get it wrong which is what im assuming happened with some of the press. they got suckered into the ward comeback story and his constant clinching made it seem closer than it actually was but rewatching it there is no excuse. And a lot of people think otherwise, despite your personal opinion to the contrary. Including many of the media who scored it for Kovalev, who called it a close fight and not a robbery. While the number of people who see it for Kovalev is a clear majority, the number of people who thought it was a robbery is not. At the end of the day it was an unpopular decision, but not all unpopular decisions are robberies. I can see how someone could score 7 rounds for Kovalev, and I can see how someone could score 7 rounds for Ward. Fortunately fights are not judged by popular vote, because then you'd get decisions like Donaire winning by wide decision over Magdaleno LOL. (Seriously that twitter based scorecard was embarassing.)

It would have been great if they gave Kovalev the win in the first fight. He won, whether or not it says so on the record. Ward will likely be comfortable and cautious in the rematch. I think he is the favorite based on the nature of rematches and the advantage given to the more defensive fighter. Instead of having a historic trilogy we will have kigali types spamming that he "tapped dat azz twice!" These dream fights always end up ruined by boxing's inherently flawed judging format. Some fateful day the scoring guidelines will be more defined. So true. At least, I wish judges were required to provide their rationale for awarding each round. Effective aggression? Ring generalship?? Crowd noise?? What floats your boat this time? And I wish boxing had real champions. Note another thread today where someone asks who is the real heavyweight champion now. Truth is, we have no idea. There is no champion. I really doubt that the Ward Kovalev rematch will produce a clear and obvious winner that we can all agree on.

It would have been great if they gave Kovalev the win in the first fight. He won, whether or not it says so on the record. Ward will likely be comfortable and cautious in the rematch. I think he is the favorite based on the nature of rematches and the advantage given to the more defensive fighter. Instead of having a historic trilogy we will have kigali types spamming that he "tapped dat azz twice!" These dream fights always end up ruined by boxing's inherently flawed judging format. Some fateful day the scoring guidelines will be more defined.

those rounds were not close...every round ward won or might have won was close. no he didnt. he was backing up and on the end of kovalevs punhes for most of the fight but some people will see what they want to see. he simply couldnt get off unless he was hugging kovalev(illegal) but here we go again with people scoring illegal tactics as clean work, defense, ring generalship, etc...then they are telling us we dont know anything about boxing.... If that's your view of it, then yes, you don't know boxing. Are you suggesting Kovalev won this fight 8-4 or something?

well, thats, like, your opinion maaan. doesn't change the fact that your in a tiny minority :) It's "my opinion" that body punches are scoring punches? :lol1:

Ward threw punches, Kovelev threw more. Ward landed punches, Kovalev landed more. Kovalev had the much harder shots of the two. So why exactly did Ward win? Did he ever have Kovalev hurt or made him back up? Was there any decisive moment where Ward really shined in this fight? Did you read my post?

I didn't even vote here! :) ..............

Only the poor biased mostly xenophobic dummygraphic claims that Ward won, or just really dumb people who let themself manipulate by the media.

low blows, holding and hitting, hitting with the inside of the glove. these are the things that won ward the fight according to ward defenders so lets look up if they are legal.....oh wait you are the ones who know so much about boxing surely you wouldnt be counting these as legal clean shots that won ward the fight? you wouldnt do that....even if you did coutn that crap he still loses but hey when yo dont have any substance you work with what you got

:lol1: @ thinking how the two fights were scored is comparable. About 97% of the media scored the fight for Pacquiao over Bradley(*). That's almost a complete consensus. A 70-25-5 ish split indicates one fighter was thought to win by a lot more people but that there was a sizable chunk of people who saw it the other way. Two completely different and not comparable situations. I understand that the decision was unpopular, but using the word robbery to describe a fight that could reasonably be scored for the fighter who won is trying a bit too hard to discredit the decision. Comparing the decision to one of the least popular decisions of all time is in hilarious reach territory. *http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Timothy_Bradley_(1st_meeting) a robbery is a robbery. if a robber steals a million dollars do the police say well at least it wasnt 2 million like last week. it was a robbery because you cant reasonably score 7 roudns for ward. just wasnt there. maybe watching it live with al lthe distractions, emotion, commentaries, etc...you might get it wrong which is what im assuming happened with some of the press. they got suckered into the ward comeback story and his constant clinching made it seem closer than it actually was but rewatching it there is no excuse.

In the 7th round, Lederman says "Ward is running and should take the fight to Kovalev". Ward takes the fight to Kovalev and Lederman still gives Kovalev the rounds :haha: when did this happen? he was the one going backwards most of the fight. he would go bakcwards get picked apart with jabs and power shots until he found the right time to lunge forward and grab a hold of kovalev. i wouldnt call that takign the fight to kovalev. this proves that no matter what happens fanboys will simply make up their own narrative. guy going backwards and waiting for opportunity to jump forward and clinch=taking the fight to the other fighter. you know you are biased when you have to go this far just imagine what ward fanboys would say if it was an actual close fight...schooling! we know they are pretending that ward won because they all say well it could have gone eitehr way, it was super close. that means they know ward lost

yes and the split is highly in kovalev's favor....any fight is going to be split. some people scored pac bradley for bradley so that was split. i guess it wasnt a robbery because some people suck at scoring/are religious type fanboys? :lol1: @ thinking how the two fights were scored is comparable. About 97% of the media scored the fight for Pacquiao over Bradley(*). That's almost a complete consensus. A 70-25-5 ish split indicates one fighter was thought to win by a lot more people but that there was a sizable chunk of people who saw it the other way. Two completely different and not comparable situations. I understand that the decision was unpopular, but using the word robbery to describe a fight that could reasonably be scored for the fighter who won is trying a bit too hard to discredit the decision. Comparing the decision to one of the least popular decisions of all time is in hilarious reach territory. *http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Timothy_Bradley_(1st_meeting)

I posted this on the 22nd and I will re-post it here again. "I scored it 114-113 Kovalev with 2 rounds, in particular, that were really close, (rounds 4 and 6) both of which I scored for Sergey. This fight tells me that... A. People can't see past their bias B. Many "fans" have casual eyes. - You can see the clear jabs, hooks, and straights, but do not understand ring generalship and have no respect for body work. Ward dictated the pace throughout majority of the fight and was killing Sergey on the inside. Kovalev needs to up his conditioning and lean on his jab heavily throughout the fight in the rematch. Damn close fight! Anyone who says otherwise DKSAB!" those rounds were not close...every round ward won or might have won was close. no he didnt. he was backing up and on the end of kovalevs punhes for most of the fight but some people will see what they want to see. he simply couldnt get off unless he was hugging kovalev(illegal) but here we go again with people scoring illegal tactics as clean work, defense, ring generalship, etc...then they are telling us we dont know anything about boxing....

Ward won. And he won clearly with an accumulation of body shots and consistent scoring jabs upstairs.. But it was the jab to the body that won him the fight. Anyone who disagrees has two choices. Rewatch the fight and actually score body punches and see how clearly Ward won or deny outright that body punches don't count as scoring punches and you can save everyone a lot of time and expose yourself as an idiot and a neophyte here and now. well, thats, like, your opinion maaan. doesn't change the fact that your in a tiny minority :)

The poll split looks almost exactly like the press split. Doesn't look like the kinda split that indicates a robbery. :lol1::lol1: yes and the split is highly in kovalev's favor....any fight is going to be split. some people scored pac bradley for bradley so that was split. i guess it wasnt a robbery because some people suck at scoring/are religious type fanboys?

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Ward won. And he won clearly with an accumulation of body shots and consistent scoring jabs upstairs.. But it was the jab to the body that won him the fight. Anyone who disagrees has two choices. Rewatch the fight and actually score body punches and see how clearly Ward won or deny outright that body punches don't count as scoring punches and you can save everyone a lot of time and expose yourself as an idiot and a neophyte here and now.

Glad to be among the 114 guys who got it right... ;)

I had Kovalev close. Ward took over the last half, but he didn't dominate. Kovs took at least two of the rounds, one clear. That, plus the knockdown, had him edging it by a point or two.