Austin Trout talks options if he beats Canelo; Mayweather, move to 160.

I don't know about you, but to me that's cherrypicking... picking and choosing the easiest opponents and avoid the most dangerous: (see: Mayweather v. Baldomir; Margarito had been calling Floyd for a while but Floyd argued no one knew him so he fought Baldomir instead). The guy also took a convenient temporary vacation when Margarito, Williams, Pac, and Cotto were all primed at welterweight. By the way, about Floyd at 154, (be honest) what do you think people would say if Martinez went up to super middleweight sporadically and fought guys like Abraham, Taylor, Stieglitz but refused to fight Ward, Froch, and Kessler? Or if Matthysse/Rios went up to welterweight just to fight Malinaggi and refused to fight any of the other welterweights. I already gave my opinion on all the Margarito stuff, etc... so Ill just skip to paragraph 2. I dont think you can say that about Floyd when he hasnt done that one bit. He's only fought there twice and one time was 6 years ago. Its not like he went up there twice recently. He only even went up there 6 years ago because it was Oscar. If Oscar wasnt there then he wouldnt have went. Its just like there are alot of LW's right now who would jump to WW to fight Floyd just for the money/fame but wont fight anyone else. Or Ward saying he would come down to MW for Floyd. Now he did just go up for Cotto but he also didnt look great in alot of people's eyes. Again, if he had looked great & strong against Cotto then I would agree. Or if he went right back to 154 right now and fought someone else other then those guys then I would agree but thats not the case so far. That tells you how bad it is that 6 years ago he fought at 154 and is still only coming into the ring at 150 pounds. He's just a small dude. Cotto was pushing him around some and then Cotto himself looked like a baby against Trout. Again, Floyd can win because he is that good but it shouldnt be mandatory. With that being said, I think you could see him fighting them next, espically Trout. I say that because the Ghost is a tall Southpaw. Trout is huge but doesnt hit that hard. I could see Floyd trying him and to me that would be the perfect tuneup for a Sergio fight. If he doesnt do it tough, I wont kill him, espically since I think he may wanna do it but just wait another 1 or 2 fights. What I wont do though is give him a break and allow him to have another layoff. The bad thing for Floyd is he really has no one to fight at WW that people will give him credit for. Most of the great fights are at 140 or 154 but its funny because everyone wants to see him go to 154 while being super small but no one wants to see him fight any of the 140 pounders even though they would be easily bigger at WW than he would at Jr MW

How long can he make the weight though? Like I said, he missed the weight against Cotto and had to strip naked to make it. Well that's the main thing, he seems or looks like a MW fighting at JMW so after Canelo he needs to either keep active by taking any fight he can get whether that is at 154 or 160 and then see what sort of lucrative offers comes in and at which weight.

I think he should stay at 154 if he isn't having trouble making weight, he can try and unify but I hope he stays active no matter what, he shouldn't think he is now the man with all the ace in his hands like Timothy Bradley thought after 'beating' Pacquiao. How long can he make the weight though? Like I said, he missed the weight against Cotto and had to strip naked to make it.

I think he should stay at 154 if he isn't having trouble making weight, he can try and unify but I hope he stays active no matter what, he shouldn't think he is now the man with all the ace in his hands like Timothy Bradley thought after 'beating' Pacquiao.

There are risks in every fight. They're also the fights i'm likely to get from Floyd. So like I told you before, I have to make the most of that. Floyd/Alexander is far less riskier than the winner of canelo/Trout. But since it's far more likely that Floyd fights the less riskier fight, I'll make my case with what I get. That's a vague way of looking at it. Every fight is a risk but there are what's looked at is a fighter taking a genuine risk and not so much of one. They weren't fights likely to get from Floyd, not in your eyes. You didn't expect Mayweather to fight Mosley or Cotto. You went out your way on numerous occasions pleading for him to take those fights. I know you give credit for those fights or supposedly you do but then in the next post you say "He only takes easy fights and doesn't take risks". Well, those statments can't co-exist. In your opinion, regardless to the fact their are better fights out there, Ortiz, Guererro and Alexander all "give Mayweather hell" I don't see how it makes any sense that in your eyes, fighters who will "Give Mayweather hell" are easy fights and risk free. It's got to be one or the other, from your point of view.

dont put me in that catagory. 1st of all Trout is bigger. 2nd, I was speaking of both of them. I feel the same way about them both. Its everyone else who contradicts themselves. They like to have it both ways so if Floyd wins its nothing. If you look at the Canelo-Trout face to face, its night & day with Floyd. They are much bigger. Again, if he fights them then great but I dont think he has to fight them. Its the same about everything. Everyone thinks Floyd-Ghost is a joke yet if Ghost fights anyone else from 135-147 its a great fight. There isnt one person from WW on down that Floyd can fight right now without getting ripped yet nearly any other fight at 140-147 are great fights no matter who the matchup is. He's being penalyzed for being too good. He only comes into the ring at 150 yet isnt allowed to fight anyone at 140-147. He has to fight these huge guys that are an inch away from the MW division or he's a coward. Meanwhile everyone is ok with those same guys not even going up 1 divison let alone 5 Great post.

I know you did and that's exactly my point :lol1: You called for the Cotto and Mosley fights. You liked the Ortiz fight. It's fair to say that you think Guererro is one of the best options for Mayweather right now and a legit fight, correct? You recently said Alexander will give Mayweather hell (Hypothetically, if that fight happens which is possible) So how, in your eyes, are these easy fights with no risk involved in you yourself are calling for them and liking them and giving the opponent very good chances of either winning or atleast causing big problems for Mayweather? It doesn't make sense and like I said, you simply can't have it both ways. You can't call for the fight, give the opponent a good chance of winning before the fight then after the fight consider is "Easy" and "Not a risk". There are risks in every fight. They're also the fights i'm likely to get from Floyd. So like I told you before, I have to make the most of that. Floyd/Alexander is far less riskier than the winner of canelo/Trout. But since it's far more likely that Floyd fights the less riskier fight, I'll make my case with what I get.

I did call for Cotto and Mosley and I also gave Floyd his just dues there. I also liked the Ortiz match, but face it, that fight ended sour. And I also prefer the Ghost over canelo right now and stand by that. I know you did and that's exactly my point :lol1: You called for the Cotto and Mosley fights. You liked the Ortiz fight. It's fair to say that you think Guererro is one of the best options for Mayweather right now and a legit fight, correct? You recently said Alexander will give Mayweather hell (Hypothetically, if that fight happens which is possible) So how, in your eyes, are these easy fights with no risk involved in you yourself are calling for them and liking them and giving the opponent very good chances of either winning or atleast causing big problems for Mayweather? It doesn't make sense and like I said, you simply can't have it both ways. You can't call for the fight, give the opponent a good chance of winning before the fight then after the fight consider is "Easy" and "Not a risk".

Yeah, but, these weren't hopefuly underdog picks these were "He is going to win or struggle picks". Rooting for the underdog and picking the underdog are two different things. This wasn't like picking Margarito to beat Pacquaio. You picked Mosley to beat Mayweather before the fight was signed and you said Mayweather should fight Cotto before the fight was signed. You also said Guererro and Alexander will give Mayweather hell before the fight was signed. You also said "Ortiz will beat Mayweather, all he has to do is pressure" It's not like you're just going with the underdog you're going out your way to pick these guys, making threads - Cotto, Ortiz and being adament on victory - Mosley. So what you're saying doesn't really stick because these aren't the "Best you're going to get from Floyd" because you're making the picks and asking the the fights before they are even signed. I just can't see how you can consider fights to be "Easy fights" and "Doesn't take risks" when the guys he fights, you pick to either beat him or give him problems. You can't have it both ways. I did call for Cotto and Mosley and I also gave Floyd his just dues there. I also liked the Ortiz match, but face it, that fight ended sour. And I also prefer the Ghost over canelo right now and stand by that.

Yeah, but, these weren't hopefuly underdog picks these were "He is going to win or struggle picks". Rooting for the underdog and picking the underdog are two different things. This wasn't like picking Margarito to beat Pacquaio. You picked Mosley to beat Mayweather before the fight was signed and you said Mayweather should fight Cotto before the fight was signed. You also said Guererro and Alexander will give Mayweather hell before the fight was signed. You also said "Ortiz will beat Mayweather, all he has to do is pressure" It's not like you're just going with the underdog you're going out your way to pick these guys, making threads - Cotto, Ortiz and being adament on victory - Mosley. So what you're saying doesn't really stick because these aren't the "Best you're going to get from Floyd" because you're making the picks and asking the the fights before they are even signed. I just can't see how you can consider fights to be "Easy fights" and "Doesn't take risks" when the guys he fights, you pick to either beat him or give him problems. You can't have it both ways. That 1punchko dude and pac boy are the same way. Look at my sig.

again, I truly believe the Margarito, Williams, Cotto things were bad timing. I said in the post above that there is no excuse for the Pac fight but I do think those other things were bad timing. The problem is fans want things when they want it. They want things now but I dont think a guy should do something now if its not the right time for it. Floyd was not the same guy at WW at that time then he was later on. He was such a small/weak WW early on. NO one is going to convince me that he wouldnt have been way more open to those fights at the time he fought Mosley. He was a more filled out guy then. Just look at the Cotto fight people. Look at how Floyd fought him. He went at Cotto and fought toe to toe. It had nothing to do with Cotto going through wars. It had to do with Floyd being phsyically differnt and with a different mindset. If Floyd fought guys like Cotto & Margarito back in the day he wouldve ran all fight. They couldve bullied him. He was that weak and didnt have that mindset. By time the Mosley fight came around, there wasnt any WW that was goign to bully him in the ring. Even if Cotto & Margarito were primed, he wouldve been way more open to it at that point. Now that is still no full excuse because its just like Im saying now about 154, Floyd shouldve gave up the belts and went down in weight. He didnt belong at WW then. He just didnt. He hurt his career alot with these jumps in weight and he would never go back down. The funny part is that he wouldve got killed for moving down just like he's getting killed now if he doesnt fight at 154 I don't know about you, but to me that's cherrypicking... picking and choosing the easiest opponents and avoid the most dangerous: (see: Mayweather v. Baldomir; Margarito had been calling Floyd for a while but Floyd argued no one knew him so he fought Baldomir instead). The guy also took a convenient temporary vacation when Margarito, Williams, Pac, and Cotto were all primed at welterweight. By the way, about Floyd at 154, (be honest) what do you think people would say if Martinez went up to super middleweight sporadically and fought guys like Abraham, Taylor, Stieglitz but refused to fight Ward, Froch, and Kessler? Or if Matthysse/Rios went up to welterweight just to fight Malinaggi and refused to fight any of the other welterweights.

I always go for the underdog Iron Dan. Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto and The Ghost are the fights I'm gonna get from Floyd. I can't change it. It may be lying to myself but what other choice do I have? Yeah, but, these weren't hopefuly underdog picks these were "He is going to win or struggle picks". Rooting for the underdog and picking the underdog are two different things. This wasn't like picking Margarito to beat Pacquaio. You picked Mosley to beat Mayweather before the fight was signed and you said Mayweather should fight Cotto before the fight was signed. You also said Guererro and Alexander will give Mayweather hell before the fight was signed. You also said "Ortiz will beat Mayweather, all he has to do is pressure" It's not like you're just going with the underdog you're going out your way to pick these guys, making threads - Cotto, Ortiz and being adament on victory - Mosley. So what you're saying doesn't really stick because these aren't the "Best you're going to get from Floyd" because you're making the picks and asking the the fights before they are even signed. I just can't see how you can consider fights to be "Easy fights" and "Doesn't take risks" when the guys he fights, you pick to either beat him or give him problems. You can't have it both ways.

So you're rooting for Mayweather to beat Trout? If it comes off. What?? Hell naw.:nono:

As long as making 154 is not hurting his performance he should not move up to 160. Being a big 154 pounder works to his advantage. He is a skilled boxer with good height and reach for 154. He is not a big puncher and he can be hurt by a good puncher. At 160 he would have no advantage over many of the middleweights in height and reach and not have the power to hurt the tougher ones. He would be fighting some very good punchers in GGG, Martinez, Pirog, Chavez and Quillin and might get KOed.

Now lets not get ahead of yourselves. Undoubtedly Canelo Kills him. But 3G murders him.

I've never acted like Cotto win wasn't dat great before Trout beat him. I always go for the underdog Iron Dan. Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto and The Ghost are the fights I'm gonna get from Floyd. I can't change it. It may be lying to myself but what other choice do I have? So you're rooting for Mayweather to beat Trout? If it comes off.

You have the choice of not *****ing and complaining for 6 months about things before they happen. You just try to make everything fighters that you dont like do fit your sig so you can somehow justify your criticism. You like to be premature in your criticism. SO months before the fight is signed you come up with crap like Mosley will beat FLoyd so floyd wont fight him or Ginger is scared of Trout. Then as soon as the fight is signed and you look like a complete and utter tool, then you talk about the fights potential so you come of as more a boxing fan than some internet jackoff that just wasted 6-8 months *****ing about something you swore wouldnt happen. The thing is you are more knowledgable than most on this board so you of all people should know that fights take time to get signed because promoters and managers are trying to get the most for their fighters. You are trying too hard to hate those at the top when every fighter in boxing is trying to get there too. You hate the system but ***** about the fighters who really have no option but to operate within it. Complaining about what the top dogs do isnt the same as rooting for the underdog. Floyd and canelo would be underdogs to Trout just as cotto was and you damn sure wouldn't root for either of them. Thing is, I don't really care what you think. I also understand that half the board doesn't like to hear what's what. No matter how much they know it's true. No matter how you, or all the canelo supporters try and say that I made up canelo not wanting to face Trout, the fact is you know he didn't. You know he went out of his way to try and avoid the fight. The fact is that it's because of boxing fans like me and the outcry and bashing his team received is the reason why he decided to finally fight Trout. The facts are that team canelo said they were training back in January for a fight in april. The fact are that team canelo said they were looking at 4 opponents besides Trout. The facts are that team canelo said that they were not gonna fight on the Floyd undercard and were probably not gonna fight trout altogether. These are indisputable facts. But now that he's finally signed the fight, all his fanboys (and even some Floyd fanboys) like you, act like I made all dat $h1t up. Which is fine by me, I don't care cause you, dem and I know canelo didn't wanna fight him. Concerning floyd, a case would have to be made for any opponent he se;lects having a chance to beat him. I route against Floyd, that's what I do. I'm not ashamed of that. I have no choice but to pick for the other fighter. Why, cause he ain't neva gonna fight the guys that people actually want him to fight. But don't worry, he has all the excuse makers who act like his accountants & act like they are his advisers or partners with Al Haymond, (like yourself), to make up his excuses for him.

It seems like he is going up to 160 to avoid erislandy lara

I've never acted like Cotto win wasn't dat great before Trout beat him. I always go for the underdog Iron Dan. Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto and The Ghost are the fights I'm gonna get from Floyd. I can't change it. It may be lying to myself but what other choice do I have? You have the choice of not *****ing and complaining for 6 months about things before they happen. You just try to make everything fighters that you dont like do fit your sig so you can somehow justify your criticism. You like to be premature in your criticism. SO months before the fight is signed you come up with crap like Mosley will beat FLoyd so floyd wont fight him or Ginger is scared of Trout. Then as soon as the fight is signed and you look like a complete and utter tool, then you talk about the fights potential so you come of as more a boxing fan than some internet jackoff that just wasted 6-8 months *****ing about something you swore wouldnt happen. The thing is you are more knowledgable than most on this board so you of all people should know that fights take time to get signed because promoters and managers are trying to get the most for their fighters. You are trying too hard to hate those at the top when every fighter in boxing is trying to get there too. You hate the system but ***** about the fighters who really have no option but to operate within it. Complaining about what the top dogs do isnt the same as rooting for the underdog. Floyd and canelo would be underdogs to Trout just as cotto was and you damn sure wouldn't root for either of them.

Ive explained my stance alot of times in this thread and on this forum so there is no use of repeating it but you cant penalyze the guy because others are weak. Its like what people use to do to Roy. The funny thing is these guys arent even all that weak. Its moreso that Floyd is great. Again, if nearly anyone else fought eachother then people would say its a great fight but if they fight Floyd then its nothing. Bush you try to have things both ways all the time. You act like a Cotto win isnt that great before Trout beat him. You also say Canelo hasnt done anything and clown him all the time. Now all of assudden then winner of that fight vs Floyd is the biggest in the sport? Also, if you are going to use sayings like "dare to be great" then make sure you keep it in that context. Thats the whole problem. I think that would be a dare to be great win for him but people will treat it more like its a regular win in a regular fight that he should fight. Its like its not special but its what he should do and I dont agree with that. I think its special if he decides to do it. I've never acted like Cotto win wasn't dat great before Trout beat him. I understand the notion, I do. But here's what puzzles me at times about you, you're saying Mayweather just takes easy fights, he doesn't dare to be great. Ok, that's an opinion that I can understand. I disagree, but I can understand where someone were to be coming from if they thought that. But let's take a look at Mayweather last 3 fights and his upcoming fight; Mosley Ortiz Cotto Guererro. Now, let's consider that you consider these "easy fights" for Mayweather. Yet, you picked Mosley to beat Mayweather. You considered Ortiz to have a "Great shot" at beating Mayweather You made a thread about how Mayweather should fight Cotto, at 154, of course. Almost begging him to do so. You give Guererro a good chance of beating him too. You, in your own words, expect Guererro to "Give him hell". So, surely, in your eyes, you consider these hard fights, no? Not easy fights. According to your words I don't understand how you could consider these easy fights or risk free fights when your very words are saying literally the exact opposite prior to them happening. On another side note, you also expect Devon Alexander to "Give Mayweather hell" if they fight. So, I'm lost, basically. I always go for the underdog Iron Dan. Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto and The Ghost are the fights I'm gonna get from Floyd. I can't change it. It may be lying to myself but what other choice do I have?