Floyd-Canelo is the same as Pac-Cotto in my opinion

Don't have the biggest issue with the CW.... Its just funny to me to laugh at Floyd and the people here who were soOo against them before.... Till well.... Ya know :lol1: exactly Cotto was fine at 145 and Alvarez should be fine at 152 fuck the weight, it's the ironic circumstances a whole lotta word eating going on, and they're choking like hell :laugh:

Don't have the biggest issue with the CW.... Its just funny to me to laugh at Floyd and the people here who were soOo against them before.... Till well.... Ya know :lol1:

I still hate them but its a part of boxing and its justified in this when you considerer everything , and Canelo is comfortable with 1 pound lighter than his last fight , so its his comfortable weight , Cotto was publicly uncomfortable with 145 and still complains about it , and Manny ducked him without the CW , the point is you cant hate on Floyd with any sense of dignity after what Manny has done on a number of occasions even doing it again now with bum Rios . Just answer the question was Cotto and Margo drained , we all know Oscar was , Manny is fighting a 140 lb bum coming of 2 loses , Floyd is fighting a undefeated 154 World Champion , you need a reality check your hate is pouring out your ass with no rational at all . Man you were all over Manny for fighting Cotto at 145, even though Cotto said it would be no problem, looked good and healthy at the weigh in, and gave a good account of himself on fight night until he was taken over by the superior fighter. You need to do the same with Mayweather, or else you're just another bias poster. I never gave Manny crap for Cotto at 145, it had no effect on the outcome, same thing as Floyd-Canelo. Canelo will look good and healthy at 152 most likely, and will be 170+ on fight night.

Also the main difference is COTTO IMMEDIATELY MOVED TO LMW after the bout. He was super drained for Manny. Canelo will still be a 154 pounder after this one.

your hypocrisy is priceless. you hate catchweight. all these posts in the past saying catchweight is BS. what happened to you now? I still hate them but its a part of boxing and its justified in this when you considerer everything , and Canelo is comfortable with 1 pound lighter than his last fight , so its his comfortable weight , Cotto was publicly uncomfortable with 145 and still complains about it , and Manny ducked him without the CW , the point is you cant hate on Floyd with any sense of dignity after what Manny has done on a number of occasions even doing it again now with bum Rios . Just answer the question was Cotto and Margo drained , we all know Oscar was , Manny is fighting a 140 lb bum coming of 2 loses , Floyd is fighting a undefeated 154 World Champion , you need a reality check your hate is pouring out your ass with no rational at all .

Possible but not likely You need to note that this cat said it was COMPLETELY impossible. The burden of proof is definitely on him. I'm just noting that there could be a chance... The chance of that is strong because of weigh-in similarities between DLH and Canelo. Keep in mind that this cat feels that DLH, as of right now, looks 170 and out of shape. He also stated that DLH was also out of shape against Sturm. Why couldn't he be out of shape against Sturm and still rehydrate close to or exactly at 170. To say that it's completely impossible based on his statements is ridiculous...

Career junior middleweights or not, they still made the 154 lb limit with no complaints from Floyd. Hell, even Floyd felt that Cotto was undefeated because Pac made him fight at a catchweight. Sure, it's still a risky fight, but FMJ is trying to circumvent the danger by demanding a catchweight. It's just hypocritical for him to do if he was able to fight Cotto and DLH at the full junior middleweight limit... Pac made Cotto fight at 145 and then called out Cotto only to refuse to fight him at 154 , Floyd accepted the 154 against Cotto because Cotto is not a full blown JMW , its easy to see how things turned out the way they did , you just need not to be so bias with one set of rules for Floyd and different rules for everybody else . If you disagree with CWs then you must bag Manny as well to have any consistency , I personally dont like CWs and some have been an abuse of it , this is not one of those fights , Floyd is in a real fight with a guy that will be very strong on the night .

:lol1: Floydstans will avoid this like the plague. They putting words in Money's mouth. He wants to fight the best at the weight they're comfortable with...as long as Money is comfortable with the weight too.

Leonard Ellerbe on Cotto vs Pacquiao: "He was a dead man walking when he went into the ring," Ellerbe said. "The casual fan doesn't know what difference one or two pounds can make when a fighter is already down to weight. Fighters know." :lol1: Floydstans will avoid this like the plague.

2 fighters fighting at 154. shld we mention the "intangibles", im not hating on floyd, but he just kicked himself in the face by asking 152 for this fight Only to the little boys haters in here , the boxing media and the fighters and trainers will embrace this for the great match it is , Floyd will get big legacy props for this fight , and its a very dangerous fight for him with a big chance Floyd can lose , you gotta laugh at the haters harping on Floyd will not fight him lol , now they flip flopping on another hate campaign , if Floyd was fighting Rios at 147 and Manny Canelo at 152 what would the haters be saying then , the irony is killer in here .

i don't think anyone really cares about the 2lbs, it's just fun pointing out floyd's hypocrisies.

Oscar and Cotto came from 135 and 140 neither are true 154s just older fighters that gain weight as they mature it happens to all of them , Canelo is a full blown undefeated JMW and Floyd will be giving away a lot on the night its a very risky fight for Floyd , normally the guy doing the calling out goes to the weight of the guy he is calling out , Floyd was 146 last fight 8 lbs lighter before you even start , this fight will be a huge event . Career junior middleweights or not, they still made the 154 lb limit with no complaints from Floyd. Hell, even Floyd felt that Cotto was undefeated because Pac made him fight at a catchweight. Sure, it's still a risky fight, but FMJ is trying to circumvent the danger by demanding a catchweight. It's just hypocritical for him to do if he was able to fight Cotto and DLH at the full junior middleweight limit...

When has dlh ever been that heavy on fight night when at 54? Is it not possible based on weigh-in history and body frame in relation to height? The cat that I've been debating with initially stated that DLH could never rehydrate past 157 or 158. I then pointed to the Sturm fight in which he officially weighed 160. Canelo officially weighed in at 153.5 and came in at 172 on fight night against Trout. DLH officially weighed at 153.5 against Mayorga. He officially weighed in at 154 for FMJ. Is it not at all POSSIBLE based on these official weight similarities between Canelo and DLH that DLH could POSSIBLY rehydrate close to or at 172. Just look at the Sturm fight. Is it even common sense to assume that DLH didn't gain weight past 160 come fight night? The possibility is strong... Keep in mind that this cat said that DLH seemed out of shape against Sturm, while also saying that he is out of shape NOW and looks to be at 170. If he was so out of shape against Sturm, why couldn't he hit 170 or so come fight night?

I'm cool with 152. I'm just here to laugh at all the buffoons who, for years, took a **** on the Manny Cotto fight. Nothing better than to see them eat their crow, or scramble for an excuse to agree with the cw now. I applaud your consistency though. yup.................

Thanks for the correction. I muddied my answer quite a bit. What I meant to say was that if general weight was an issue, why didn't he speak up then? By having the Canelo bout at 152, he is somewhat admitting that size is a problem for him at junior middleweight. Again, why wasn't size an issue in the DLH bout? The Cotto bout even? He could have made some sort of public complaint about it knowing how outspoken he is... FMJ making the bout happen at a "harder target weight" is indeed an attempt to gain a physical advantage. I do agree that it should be contested at 154. However, a rehydration clause isn't necessary because larger rehydrated weights come fight night are to be expected when dabbling in the higher weight divisions. Accept it or go back down... Oscar and Cotto came from 135 and 140 neither are true 154s just older fighters that gain weight as they mature it happens to all of them , Canelo is a full blown undefeated JMW and Floyd will be giving away a lot on the night its a very risky fight for Floyd , normally the guy doing the calling out goes to the weight of the guy he is calling out , Floyd was 146 last fight 8 lbs lighter before you even start , this fight will be a huge event .

Because he doesnt owe Canelo anything and Canelo called him out , if you had the same questions about Manny I could respect you but your just a flip flopper like the rest of the haters , no fan of Manny can rag on Floyd for this fight , I dont like CWs but on paper this is about as fair to both guys as you can get , different story if Floyd called him out then he would have to give the weight and go up to Saul , but Canelo called Floyd out and you think the little guy is supposed take all the handicaps like 20 lbs ring weight isnt enough , Its unreal the Manny fans going on with this when Manny would not fight Canelo at 152 to save his life lol , Manny is fighting B grade LW Rios coming of 2 loses and Floyd is fighting a legit undefeated JMW , lol , jeeesus you kids just straight up suck eggs when it comes to boxing . Actually manny fans have every rights to "rag" on Floyd on this. For the simple fact that Floyd went public about never draining his opponents. And now im the one flip flopping? lol. U gave manny hell for asking for a catch weights and now that Floyd is doing the same all of a sudden it's ok? what were U saying about flip flopping again? lol

Again, very good points. Based on what I've seen in Boxing, the reason why these catchweights keep popping up is because of the presence of TOO MANY WEIGHTCLASSES. I believe, at one point in time, that Boxing had a similar weightclass stratification to MMA. You restore this and catchweights will lessen. Based on your observation that a catchweight is an "equalizer" for fighters trying to game the system by cutting weight to face smaller fighters, you are admitting that FMJ is trying to gain a physical advantage. Pacquiao did the same exact thing against Margarito and Cotto. It's good that you agree that a FMJ win will be tainted against Canelo since it's a catchweight bout. With that said, FMJ should know that when dabbling in higher weightclasses, you face the risks and dangers of fighting bigger men. He shouldn't try to circumvent those dangers with catchweights, especially when he's criticized Pac for doing the same thing... I can't disagree with you, but I'm sure Mayweather being the one getting in the ring would argue semantics. You say advantage, he would say "evening things up". It could also be equally said that when you dabble in lower weight divisions (than you really should), then you face the tougher science of making weights. I guess something else to consider, is that if Mayweather is expected to bear the responsibility of expectation (the guy can't even fight the other champs in his division without catching heat, people expect more) then he's going to use his position at the top to his advantage too. Heck, it looks like I'm defending him when really I'm playing devil's advocate in trying to understand why he'd set himself up for the flack while making a fight everyone wants to see. He considers himself physically as a 147lbs fighter. Next to nobody in his division is considered a good enough opponent. He's under pressure to sell the numbers. He has to more fights to consider (4 more). He's not getting any younger. These are the facts of the situation, not excuses. He probably just thought "f*** it", and made the best deal in the most advantageous way and will take the heat that comes with it. Just moving back down is easy to say when market forces demand different. How many on this site and others would've accepted the fight not happening if not at 147lbs. I can see everyone lining up for fights against Alexander and Khan, or Malignaggi. People have already stated that taking on the best his division isn't enough for them to part with their money. Money is what Mayweather's about, not moral consistency.

He was, he weighed in under 154. Just like Cotto was under 147 Canelo was 153.5 for Trout

If we're talking about the Mayweather/DLH fight, there was no catchwight. It was at 154lbs for DLH's title. There is no debate that Mayweather's a hypocrite for doing what he critized Pacquiao for doing (which was wrong too). I think the 152lbs is about not being dictated to as to where he fights, and try and even things up in HIS mind. I suppose he sees potentially giving up 20lbs in the ring is evened up by making a harder target weight. That is my speculation onl5 as I think the smarter thing to do sporting wise and PR wise would've been 154lbs with a 165lbs redration clause. More than fair. Thanks for the correction. I muddied my answer quite a bit. What I meant to say was that if general weight was an issue, why didn't he speak up then? By having the Canelo bout at 152, he is somewhat admitting that size is a problem for him at junior middleweight. Again, why wasn't size an issue in the DLH bout? The Cotto bout even? He could have made some sort of public complaint about it knowing how outspoken he is... FMJ making the bout happen at a "harder target weight" is indeed an attempt to gain a physical advantage. I do agree that it should be contested at 154. However, a rehydration clause isn't necessary because larger rehydrated weights come fight night are to be expected when dabbling in the higher weight divisions. Accept it or go back down...

Canelo was under 154 his last fight? lol!!! Why wont Floyd fight canelo at 154? by the way cotto won against clottey lol. Because he doesnt owe Canelo anything and Canelo called him out , if you had the same questions about Manny I could respect you but your just a flip flopper like the rest of the haters , no fan of Manny can rag on Floyd for this fight , I dont like CWs but on paper this is about as fair to both guys as you can get , different story if Floyd called him out then he would have to give the weight and go up to Saul , but Canelo called Floyd out and you think the little guy is supposed take all the handicaps like 20 lbs ring weight isnt enough , Its unreal the Manny fans going on with this when Manny would not fight Canelo at 152 to save his life lol , Manny is fighting B grade LW Rios coming of 2 loses and Floyd is fighting a legit undefeated JMW , lol , jeeesus you kids just straight up suck eggs when it comes to boxing .