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Props for B-hop even considering taking on Haye, but he was clearly hit a little to hard with that rabbit punch -- stay away from Haye -- that man will crush into oblivion if that fight ever took place.

The difference is Roy doesn't have the reflexs or speed that he once had to out point and outbox B-hop the way he did in there first fight... That an he was fighting on an empty tank...nothing left...but the shell of what he once was -- against a guy who has aged like a fine wine with most of his skills still being just as good as they where 6-7 years ago.

Pac-Cotto II is not really a fight I'm interested in seeing. I'd rather see him move down to Jr WW and clean that division out. There's a lot of talent in that division, and I'd be very much interested in seeing him take a fight with Tim Bradley. One of the few fighters in that division that I think could give Pac some hell. Make that fight happen. No disrespect to Cotto, but Pac beat the hell out of him so badly in that first fight -- what would be the point in having a rematch? Fingers cross that Pac-May pushs through because Pac-Cotto II would really disappoint me. As well as Margarito fight. There is absolutely nothing to gain by fighting him.

And every poster here knows that he wouldnt either. And your point?

07 Cotto, I think would have given him hell. The Cotto of present, I'm not so sure about. I'd like to see him in one or 2 more fights with Stewart before I completely write his chances off though.

Hitman in the latter rounds by tko or ko... Zab can't deal with a fighter that is always putting the pressure on him...he cracks until he eventually completely crumbles from being pummeled to nothing -- much the way he did when he fought Miguel Cotto -- whom's Ricky Hatton style is similar to. Carbon copy results would be in order IMO.

Mayweather. Pac doesn't need Mayweather on his resume to prove his legacy is good. Manny has done things that I myself could never have forseen coming -- to think that at one point in time this man was just a one-dimensional fighter -- to see him over the last few years become the complete fighter that he is now; is very impressive. His resume speaks for itself. He has fought the toughest opponents moving up in weight, division after division, and has come out on top in spectacular fashion. He's achieved everything a fighter of his quality could achieve an then some. Mayweather as far as I'm concern if it happens is just the icing on the cake for Manny. A win over him would put him in the echelon of ATG's, and IMO would put him in the company of greats such Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong, Louise, and the list literally goes on. A win over Mayweather would literally do more for Pac's Legacy then it would for Mayweather -- just because no body thinks that Manny can win against Mayweather. So either way you look at it Mayweather loses. To be honest Jr's legacy is better beating guy's like Sergio Martinez and P-Will -- those type of wins give his legacy some merit, and are much better wins IMO. Especially if he could beat Sergio Martinez for the middle weight title -- Tell me people, who is the better win: Sergio Martinez for a 6th title (who I don't believe he could beat) or a win over Manny Pacquiao? People really need to wake up an see that Pacquiao in no way shape or form needs Mayweather to prove his greatness.

I don't think anyone at present day WW could beat Tommy.. Tommy was an absolute beast at WW, and Manny to be fair doesn't have the size to compete with someone like Thomas Hearns. Manny would fight bravely, but would lose by brutal KO (IMO). Thomas over all size, reach, power, and superior boxing skills would be to much for the Filipino typhoon.

......all downhill from here. Floyd should wait for 1 more fight. Pacquiao will be ready to go by late next year. I don't know what to think about this statement, but I will say this Pac really needs to decide if his hearts still truly in the fight game; or being a public servant to his people... What I seen tonight was Pacquiao that was fighting at maybe 80 percent of his capabilities... Watching him on 24-7 train, and seeing all the distractions, and seeing him bounce from boxing to politics, showed me that this man has got to much on his plate, and he needs to figure what he wants to devote most his time to...boxing...or politics? Downhill, I don't know that I would go that far just yet to say something like that; as I think he just has to much on his plate right now to devote 100% of his time to boxing. I for one think he should go after Floyd real hard for his next fight, and really give 110% himself to his training and preporation, and focus, and really train like the Pacquiao of old; and then will see if he's slipping. All that being said (IMO), I also think Mayweather should be his last fight, and then retire.

This one sticks out for me at the moment.

Aside from Roger’s funny, yet ironic comments, Bert Sugar really makes a bold statement, it wasn’t entirely how it happened, but he pretty much hit it on the head. That’s just a random video of some predictions, but what did most of you think of this matchup when it was announced, and does that play into your belief today, or not, that Margarito used plaster in this fight. I thought it was a hellva matchup. Going into the fight I picked cotto to win, I felt he was the better boxer, with the better skill set, and if anyone could stop Margarito; I thought it was Miguel. Looking back on the fight I still think if Cotto had worked the body, clinched, and had a little bit better stamina; he could have probably still won that fight by SD IMO. Margarito, what can I say about the dude, he was a terminator in that fight, walking threw everything Cotto threw, and then smiling at him (was sick)... I've never taken credit away from him for this win. I thought it was a hellva display of will, heart, perseverance, and one of the best chins I've seen in a long time to take that kind of fire power and still charge forward, and absolute war (one I hope they do again in the near future).

Poor guy, he's going to look like a starving Somalian on fight night. Pacquiao has ALL the advantages :sad2: http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2010/mma/boxing/09/07/month.review/pacquiao-margarito.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8enzyPUIQ1qzcshlo1_500.jpg Skillwise Pacquiao is light years ahead of Margarito. Physically Margarito is the bigger man, with a huge height advantage, reach, and weight, but he does not have the skills in the tool box to give Pacquiao a hard time (IMO). From the pictures I've seen, and from what i've read Margarito is trainning like there's no tomorrow, and from the looks of it, looks to be great shape early on; so I don't think the weight will be an issue for him. Margarito come fight night will have all the physical advanatages, but it will not be enough to compete with a guy who's skillset will close the edge on the Physical advanatages that Margarito has. I can easily see Margarito being overwelmed by the handspeed, speed, power, and footwork of Manny, to the point that if he can't gain Manny's respect with his power, he may very well get flaten inside of 7 rd's. This guy for me just doesn't have the defense, lousy footwork, doesn't place his punchs well, is stationary, is very easy to counter off of, and in general sloppy. A repeat performance of more or less what SSM was able to do to Margarito should be in order (IMO) for Manny.

Well....almost the full 12 rounds but he made it to the 12th round.... Because Cotto was in full retreat, once he came to the realization that he was a beaten man, he ran, and that is why it delayed the inevitable. Margarito is not a fighter that goes into full retreat when he's taking an asswhipping; he took a serious asswhipping against SSM an still kept coming forward. That is why he'll either KO'd or stopped in more or less in the same fashion that he did when he fought SSM.

wow....140 is the hottest division in the game atm....the competition is there and NOT at 147 or 154.....thats catchweight city for Manny....if he's a NATURAL 140 fighter then thats where he needs to be....just sayin!! :boxing: I would be inclined to agree with you. This would be a good move for Manny; instead of jumping weight divisions he has no business jumping. I've always felt that he should have went back down to 140 when the Mayweather bout didn't come to fruition. There's a murder's row of opponets at 140 that would all make great fights. It would also give him the recognition that he deserves as well -- rather then having critics question the 150 catchweight. What's worse is he can beat ever one of those fighters in that division, but instead they have him facing Margrito at a catchweight, that I myself am shaking my head at. I don't support the fight with him an Margarito, as it is a meanless fight, with another catchweight that people are not going to give him credit for. 140 is the place to be, I don't see it happening, but I can wish; I guess.

Now before i get hit with red k & called a hater and so forth, it's an honest question. Pacquiao is still young and probably at the top of his game at this point and could easily fight at 147 or even go down to 140 and clear out the division, so why the politics & the talks of retirement? Why not retire...he's already accomplished everything a fighter can accomplish an then some...what more does he have to prove? He just needs a fight with Mayweather to prove beyond doubt that he is not just this era's greatest champion, but one of the greatest champions of all time... A fight with Mayweather Cements that status...assuming the fight happens and he wins. There after there is nothing left for him to prove. Retire and sail off into the sunset with hopes and dreams of changing his country for the better (Not a bad story book ending if I say so myself).

Sergio Martinez. Man has good power, size, speed, in and out movement, throws good combinations, good counter puncher, very elusive, and even a bit clever as well... His Balance is a little iffy, but other then that; the man is solid. He reminds me a little bit of Pacquiao with his in an out movement and his ability to put 3 and 6 punch combinations together... Put it this way what you seen what happen to JMM against Mayweather is more or less what you are going to see if Mayweather has the balls to take a fight with Martinez... Who is going to be the bigger, quicker stronger fighter at what ever weight (weather 154 or 160) they decide to make the fight. Mayweather's Jab and his lead left hook will be naturalized, and the only thing that he's going to have is the right lead, and that is not going to be enough against a guy who has the timing to counter over the top of the left jab, and the speed to turn Jr's left hook with a counter. It leaves Floyd with one weapon his right lead. Since all he is, is Right lead, left hook, jab, and 2 to 3 punch combinations at the most... The only thing that is going to keep him in this fight is his defense, but against a guy like Sergio...not going to be enough IMO, and he can't straight up fight this guy like he did Mosley, but if he sit's back he is going to get swarmed (much the way he would if he fought Pacquiao), and with Sergio being the bigger man he should have no problems being able to use his size to push Floyd around, and maneuver him into position. In all honestly there is nothing Floyd does, that I think would give him the edge to beat Sergio.

It's combination of things, inactivity, age, and the possibility that he over trained...especially considering he went right back into the grind not but a couple weeks out after the Berto fight was canceled...and the Mayweather fight was made... I don't think Mosley had enough time to let his body recuperate enough to be 100% for the Mayweather bout. When you add those 3 factors into the equation...those are good possibilities of way he gassed so quickly.

There both good, but I'm incline to go with J.M. Marquez. He's a little more complete a fighter then brother Rapheal.

I like Sergio myself. I think he's on a hellva run even though his stats tell a tale of a different story... I think if you read in between the lines this man schooled Kermits ass, pummeled the shit out of P-Will, and whupped the shit out of Kelly Pavlik; and quite frankly I think the momentum is in his favor at this point as his win over Pavlik was much more impressive then P-Wills win (that was cut short due to Cintrons inability to continue). You can also make the argument for P-will being #3 and I wouldn't argue with that as he does have some better names on his resume then Sergio, and Pavlik did duck P-Will, but at this moment I have to go with Sergio (IMO).

What is the main reason/theory why Pac shouldnt take the tests. For the record, 99% of me believes pac is clean. 1% is left simply for potential that any human being could use PEDs. If I was Pac, and someone tried to tarnish my Leagacy and my accomplishments fabricating shit out of thin air because of fear of what might happen should his little boy get in the ring with a primed fighter who has the skills to take this son into waters he never been before...I can understand it. But not only do you insult the guy, but then you slap him in the face, "and oh by the way you have to take Olympic style drug testing" ( if I was pac I would have told you to fuk off too)... Pac don't need to take no test...man is clean...never had no history of being dirty...and there's no proof to validate any of mayweather Sr.'s comments... Man is just scared plain and simple. Pac has passed all the test that NSAC has issued, and has never failed (further more this boxing, not the Olympics).

Because while Pac and Floyd are looking down, they are looking up. they are willing to do whatever it takes to get to where Pac and Floyd are. Pac doesn't have to bend to anyone demands and neither does Floyd. They are the 2 boxing gods. Agree with this... That and it's big money for them...none of those fighters Malignaggi, Berto, and Bradley have seen the big Paydays that Pac and Floyd have, so of course there not going to have a problem taking Floyd's test...it's a chance to make there biggest pay check. Pac on the other hand don't need to take Floyd's test in order to make a big pay day...he does that on his own...where the other fighters...who are great fighters...can't do that at this time because they don't have the notoridy of someone like a Manny Pacquiao or mayweather.

I really dont blame them.........lol. He ruined the fans night by quitting. I waited 5 months for that fight. I could care less. Cintron lacks the mental capacity, will, and focus that is needed at this level in sports to be a top contender. The man's a mental breakdown waiting to happen...HBO should move on...after that stunt he pulled.

Dont kid yourselves. He throws every punch in the book with speed, power and laser precision. Also he places punches in the perfect spots. He mixes it up between body and head punches. He rarely misses. Saying Pac has the best offense is like saying Paul Williams has the best offense. Just because you take the most shots in the NBA doesnt make you the best offensive player. That is all. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z285/raypaterson2/Pretty.gif http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z285/raypaterson2/PrettyPunching2.gif http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z285/raypaterson2/PrettyPunching.gif best offense, huh? I don't think so! He's a good blend of defense and offense...with a lot of infancies on defense. As for what you said about throwing every punch in the book with laser this and that...Pac does the same thing from any angel you can image with pretty good precision himself...with a lot of infancies on being an offense juggernaut. When you look up what defines an offensive fighter...one of the first names your going to see is Pacquiao...not Mayweather. Now defense...Mayweather defines defense...but offense...that's straight Pac...That is all. Oh, and Paul has a good offense, but Pac,is alot more accurate with placing his punchs...by the way.

Dont kid yourselves. He throws every punch in the book with speed, power and laser precision. Also he places punches in the perfect spots. He mixes it up between body and head punches. He rarely misses. Saying Pac has the best offense is like saying Paul Williams has the best offense. Just because you take the most shots in the NBA doesnt make you the best offensive player. That is all. http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z285/raypaterson2/Pretty.gif http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z285/raypaterson2/PrettyPunching2.gif http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z285/raypaterson2/PrettyPunching.gif No,no, and no. If you want to say he is the more complete fighter then Manny, ok I won't argue to much with that. However to say that he is the superior offensive fighter -- when he's in fact an economical precise counter puncher who's game is bult on using his superior defense and ungodly ability to counter punch off his opponents mistakes as being the best offensive fighter -- no that is not what an offensive fighter is about. Floyd's best offense is his defense. Based on weighing the criteria above, Manny Pacquaio's offensive repertoire, is what define's an offensive fighter. You will not see him sitting back in the pocket waiting for opportunities; or waiting for his opponents to make mistakes to counter (which the Pacquiao of present can now do). When you watch Manny he makes things happen with his take no prisoners style of fighting by finding openings, using his in-out movement, side-to-side, throwing combinations from all different types of angels, with speed, power, and well balanced rhythm. Manny is always pressing the action, and that is why he is one of the most exciting fighters in boxing to watch -- he's like watching a hurricane destroy what ever is in it's way -- and that my friend, Mayweather is not. That is all!

If it's like that, then Floyd doesn't want it and will have the bigger upper hand..50/50 and random testing or 60/40 and with 14 days cutoff..They both lose something, and gain something.. And let's not forget nor ignore about Manny's $10M weight penalty..People are so quick to overlook his "Mr. nice guy" image that they don't even acknowledge his demands.. Lets not for get the stunt he pulled with JMM... That caused team Pac to implement that stipulation... Yeah, I remember that...wiggle room I believe...he wanted a little wiggle room...in terms of the weight. After what he did to JMM, I can't blame Manny for asking for a stiff penalty. Jr has shown he and his team can be shady mother fukers...that stunt he pulled against JMM (IMO) is unacceptable, and if he can do that to JMM, then he can do that to Pac as well. I think asking for a stiff penalty if he comes over the limit is a legit demand (especially after the stunt he pulled with JMM)... So if the penalty that Manny asked for is outrages then so is the testing (to which there's no proof or history Of Manny being dirty to warrent such a test) that Floyd is asking for. Only thing is Manny has legit point in asking for that penalty after the fact that Floyd came in over the weight limit with his fight against Marquez... He's man that couldn't keep his word, and man that goes back on his word once; can easly go back on it twice.

I don't care how you look it at, it's still a ridiculous demand. GTFO with that shit, how the **** is asking for a test that Floyd would subject himself to it is more ridiculous than asking $10M for every weight over 147? (**If you can afford it**) Would you rather pay $10M per pound or take a test that your opponent is willing to take as well? Only from certian point of view. What does it matter what I think or what i would do? As I do not add into the equation...but if you must know... IF I WHERE PAC AN SOMEONE ACCUSED ME OF BEING ON PED'S AND THEN TRIED TO PLOW ME INTO THE FUKING GROUND THE WAY THE MAYWEATHERS TRIED TO DO TO PAC...ME PERSONALLY I WOULD HAVE SAVED MYSELF A LOT OF HEADACHES AN TOLD YOU TO FUK OFF!!! I WOULD NOT HAVE WASTED MY TIME TRYING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE WITH STICK THE WAY PAC DID, AND STILL GOT NOTHING BUT A HEADACHE IN THE END ANYWAYS.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is using the pay-per-view sales of his recent fight against Shane Mosley as leverage as he seeks a bigger share of the purse against Manny Pacquiao. Team Pacquiao said yesterday that there were reports the undefeated American has demanded a bigger share of the purse for the showdown being planned for Nov. 13. “We just got word that it seems to be that way,” said Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, yesterday, just hours after Pacquiao was discharged from the hospital after a second bout with acid reflux. “But we will never agree to that,” said Gacal, who added that Mayweather now believes he deserves a bigger share than Pacquiao based on the pay-per-view sales of their most recent fights. Mayweather and Mosley sold 1.4 million PPV hits last May 1 while Pacquiao did around 700,000 in his fight with Joshua Clottey last March. However, Gacal said the fight with Clottey should not be used as a gauge of Pacquiao’s drawing power, but the one he had against Miguel Cotto late last year, a 12-round contest that sold 1.25 million hits. “It’s the Cotto fight they should look at and not the Clottey fight. And it’s pretty even, so we’re sticking to the fifty-fifty percent split between Manny and Floyd if they ever fight,” said Gacal. The lawyer did not confirm if it was Bob Arum, in the US quietly trying to make the superfight happen, who told them that Mayweather is now demanding for a bigger purse. But Pacquiao’s business manager, Eric Pineda, said word indeed reached the Pacquiao camp yesterday that Mayweather now wants a bigger share of the purse. In case of a 50-50 sharing, the two fighters can earn around $40 million each. “Yes, we were told that Floyd now wants a bigger share. And if that’s the case, we now feel that he really doesn’t want to fight Manny because Floyd knows we will never agree on that,” said Pineda. Apparently, Pacquiao was not happy with the news because it could mean that the fight will never take place. Pacquiao said a few days ago he was giving in to Mayweather’s demand to have blood tests taken 14 days before the fight, or even closer than that as long as it’s not on the day of the fight itself. But Pacquiao’s willingness to do more blood tests were met by reports that Mayweather, as of February, had renewed his demand. From 14 days, he said he wants it done “all the way to the fight.” In all honesty, I have no idea wtf is wrong this fuker... First he disses the fuk out of Pac, and then throws in a ridiculous drug test to further add insult to injure -- leading to the fight not happening -- now he wants more money? This is crazy! Manny is trying to make the fight happen; agreeing to this bullshit test, and now you want to throw in you want more money -- man if this article has any truth behind it...then all I see is guy making bullshit stipulations so he can wiggle his way out of this fight. First the drug test...now money...I'm starting to believe Sr really doesn't want little boy messing with Pac... There is absolutely no reason this time around for this fight not to be made...none...the drug test was the reason this shit didn't push through the first time (Manny has agreed to that)...now there is no reason (excuses) for this fight not to happen now.

I noticed he hurt Shane a plenty. I think he will hurt Pac a few times. This is not a hate thread so before all his fanboys get their panties in a bunch just simply answer the question. This is not saying that Pac wont win. Its asking will Floyd hurt him in this fight? No! He'll sting the shit out of him, as JMM did, but that's about it (IMO).

Khans looks pretty damn quick to me Khan has a hellva jab, and is still improving...with few more fights under his belt under the tutelage of Roach it'll be better then Floyd's, who at this point in time, I would have to say has the faster Jab of 2 (with Khan not being far off).

"I would rather lose with Honor, than Win as a Coward.." http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c318/Quntel/images.jpg In 2001, As the United States invaded a poor village in Southern Iraq, with Precision airstrikes, Sniper rifles, and heavily armored tanks. A little boy decided to fight. Even though he didn’t have the air view of his enemy, the safety of distant building and a highly powered sniper rifle, and the security of a TANK. He decided, he would rather throw a rock at his enemy tank, before blowing himself up in a train station and killing innocent civilians in order to evenly level the playing field against his enemy who had all the weapons. He fought with Honor not with pity. He didnt take's the Coward's Reward The Glory of a COWARD: Accepting the REWARD, Declining the RISK!! 11/14/2009: 145 vs. Cotto for WBO 147 pound title. 11/13/2010: 150 vs. Margarito for WBC 154 pound title. 2 Titles at Catchweights in 1 Year span. On November 13th, 2010 Manny Pacquiao will go for his 8th titles in 7 1/2 divisions, if successful he will have denied himself the glory and integrity of calling himself an 154 pound Champion. Instead accepting the COWARD's Reward. He will Solidify his greatness with a Man who would was punish for attempting to used illegal wraps and a man who has no integrity as a man and a fighter. And still Manny Pacquio will claimed history by winning as a coward instead of taking the risk of losing with Honor. There is no honor in cheating Risk, only shame with this victory. Manny Pacquiao will fight with the Glory of a coward. Accepting the reward, but Declining all the RISK of being called a 154 pound Champion.. After the final bell rings, and Manny Pacquiao is handed his 8th title, along with that title should come YELLOW tape to mark the scene of the CRIME, Manny Pacquiao has commited to Boxing. This historic acheivement of his will be a rare accomplishment, A accomplishment covered up with Shame, and Callousness disrespect for the history of boxing. This accomplish truly deserves an asterisk. Why does it deserves an asterisk? When we think of fighter jumping up multiple divisions and winning championships, automatically the feat inply's that the fighter took GREAT RISK in jumping weightclasses because the fighter is giving up all his natural advantaged of fighting in his natural weightclass to chase greatness. This 8th title deserves an Asterisk because it was no act of greatness, but an act of cowardness form with the cause of a catchweight. Where is the GREATNESS on November 13th 2010??? Where was the GREATNESS on November 14th 2009??? Manny Pacquiao Instead of saying the RISK is not Worth the REWARD I think I am too small to competitivly compete at 154, so I wont compete at 154. Has decided he still wants the GREATNESS of having a championship at 154 but not the RISK. Just like he did 1t 147. He likes the reward of getting a Offical Weightclass limit titles, but he doesnt want to put in the work of and take the RISK of fighting at the Offical Weightclass limit. He decides the only way he can win an Offical Weightclass limit title is to take away the challenging part and the risk of fighting at Offical Weightclass limit., which is fighting at 154 and 147 pounds. And still kept the REWARD of being a champion at 154 and 147. On November 13th, 2010 Manny Pacquiao will add another catchweight championship to his name. along with a COWARD's Reward. I really don't have a problem with it. SRL did the same thing back when he won the LHW title as well as the SMW title when he fought Don Lalonde (where Lalonde was not allowed to come in at the LHW limit, but had to come in at the SMW limit). Does anyone call him a coward, does anyone think any less of SRL... The answer to the question is, Hell fuking no! SRL is still held in a high esteem for what he was able to accomplish in the sport of boxing, as will Pacquiao when it is all said and done. If you have a problem with it, then that is on you, but history will remember Pacquiao as being one of the ATG's of his era, and in boxing period. Get over it... The dude has faced all comers and never back down from a challenge, took a risk when he came up 2 fuking weight classes to fight Oscar, and pummeled his ass all over the place, but I guess that's nothing, took on Cotto, and fuked him up as well, when must people said he was to big, to strong, and pitched a shout out against an even bigger WW in Clottey, and is getting ready to take on a guy that is 10 times bigger then him, has a hellva iron chin, durible, tremendious will and determination, who is probably going to out weight him by 10 to 15 pounds come fight night, but that's not a risk, I guess it's just another walk in the park? Another point: Would Cotto have beaten Pac if he had come in at 146; or for the fuk of it,147? Would 2 pounds turn things around so dramatically that it had made any difference in the outcome of the fight?