Whose legacy will be hurt more if THE FIGHT fails to push through? Pac or Floyd jr?

Floyd.. we still ain't heard from dude. Was screamin easy work, till he saw manny eat cottos punches like tic-tacs.. now he's as quiet as a church mouse.

lets be real here in a logical point of view, it should be both but in the real world, it will all gonna beb thrown on mayweather if this doesnt push through..... its his fault anyway that he is the villain of the story

the one hiding from the little Asian dude

both of them for different reasons. PED issues will ALWAYS arise when manny's name is brought up if he doesn't agree to random OST. that's just the truth..and floyd..well, they tend to accuse him of ducking...so..this won't look good if he doesn't accept a 14 day cut off too....so yeah. both.

Mayweather. He's ducked WW's like Cotto and Marg in this past and if this fight doesn't happen it wont help matters.

Mayweather. Pac doesn't need Mayweather on his resume to prove his legacy is good. Manny has done things that I myself could never have forseen coming -- to think that at one point in time this man was just a one-dimensional fighter -- to see him over the last few years become the complete fighter that he is now; is very impressive. His resume speaks for itself. He has fought the toughest opponents moving up in weight, division after division, and has come out on top in spectacular fashion. He's achieved everything a fighter of his quality could achieve an then some. Mayweather as far as I'm concern if it happens is just the icing on the cake for Manny. A win over him would put him in the echelon of ATG's, and IMO would put him in the company of greats such Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Armstrong, Louise, and the list literally goes on. A win over Mayweather would literally do more for Pac's Legacy then it would for Mayweather -- just because no body thinks that Manny can win against Mayweather. So either way you look at it Mayweather loses. To be honest Jr's legacy is better beating guy's like Sergio Martinez and P-Will -- those type of wins give his legacy some merit, and are much better wins IMO. Especially if he could beat Sergio Martinez for the middle weight title -- Tell me people, who is the better win: Sergio Martinez for a 6th title (who I don't believe he could beat) or a win over Manny Pacquiao? People really need to wake up an see that Pacquiao in no way shape or form needs Mayweather to prove his greatness.

Mayweather. He finally fought a legit WW after so many years. too bad that WW was way past his best and had ring rust at that. Mayweather hasnt been exactly fighting the best opposition at WW before Mosley either. People will always remember that. Pacquiaos been fighting people that people thought hed lose to. Pacs been defying the odds, Mayweather hasnt been testing them and just worries about money.

This is it in a nutshell. Pac is already viewed as an over-achiever while Floyd is seen as the more talented but under-achieving boxer. That right there is a very good summary of the current situation of both fighters.

If it isn't made because of purse split ( Assuming Floyd wants the bigger half ) it will hurt Mayweather more. If the fight isn't made because of a drug test it will hurt Pacquiao more.

Floyd needs Pac, he needs to get a big win thats not clouded by cherry picking. Yup. Very true.

Floyd will be hurt more than Pacquiao, as it is Manny is already overachiving, I am pretty sure none of you guys EVER thought BEFORE, he will reach where he is at now ... This is it in a nutshell. Pac is already viewed as an over-achiever while Floyd is seen as the more talented but under-achieving boxer.

Floyd will be hurt more than Pacquiao, as it is Manny is already overachiving, I am pretty sure none of you guys EVER thought BEFORE, he will reach where he is at now ...

Because people "Like" pac and people hate Mayweather. It's nothing but a popularity contest that's why I prefer clear unbiased rankings done by computer rather than decided by biased human beings. These so called experts are all flawed individuals who make judgments based on their personal feelings so how can any of that be objective? Beating names past their prime, off losses, or at catchweights is corny.

I Floyd says no to this fight, I really hope people would just leave him alone and let him pick whoever he wants to fight. According to his fans it really doesn't matter who. PPV sales are all that matter. How can you argue with that?

surely it solidifies his belief that Pac is on something.....just as surely as it makes his "initially" baseless claims no longer baseless. His belief was concocted by himself without evidence, also, just because Pac refuses to adhere to it, that does not equal Mayweather was right to accuse him to begin with, and therefore not guilty of baseless claims, after all, Pac has not been found guilty of ANYTHING!! You might have a case if!! Pac had shown up in recent fights to have taken a banned substances, but he aint, not to mention Pac has agreed to testing up to a point, but now Mayweather also wants 60/40 by all accounts.

I believe that both legacies may be affected, but i also think that floyd's name will be sullied more. The fact that Manny decided to go as far as 14 days and floyd jr is now demanding a 60-40 split, it would seem like floyd jr. is making more barriers to the fight whereas Pac is making more concessions. Try putting yourself in Manny's shoes. Here's a man demeaning your accomplishments, calling you a one dimentional fighter, saying your afraid of him and demanding you give him the lion's share to fight him. If you've gone through what pac has, and accomplished what he has done, with being a 7 division champion, 4 lineal division champion, with NO ONE IN HISTORY EVER ACHIEVING THAT, would you agree to conceding the lion's share to some braggart who constantly insults you and whose father and uncle regularly sullies your name with UNFOUNDED accusations of drug use? I won't pretend to know anything about how the negotiations are going, but IF and that is a big IF Manny decides to do what Roach mentioned and actually call Floyd jr's bluff and take the tests up to the fight and the fight STILL won't be made, then who'se to blame then? (but that is assuming of course manny agrees to the testing up to the day of the fight) Precisely, yet you will get Mayweather fans on here trying to make out Mayweather would adhere to all that if the roles were reversed? GTFO!!! Floyd has the biggest ego in Boxing bar-none

That is all gobbledygoo, bottom line is, the only logic that needs to be applied is that Manny had never tested positive for anything, therefore any initial!!!! accusations/insinuations are baseless. i already said that in numerous posts before (see below). Funny how i'm suddenly talking gobbeldgoo isn't it? :banana: The claims were unfounded initially.....given Manny's reaction to OST, are they really so unfounded now?? Additionally when someone throws a bunch of mud your way, some of it is inevitably going to stick. Manny hasn't shown any interest in washing it off thus far. At the end of the day OST is really no big deal. If we put aside emotions and personal allegiances, and act as rational and objective adults, it truly is no big deal at all. Factor in that OST (or some form) is likely to be the norm a decade from now, with many many fighters going through the process it's natural that many fans (especially the casual fans) will ask the inevitable question of why Pacquaio kicked up such a fuss about this issue 10 years ago. The claims were unfounded initially. Like that means anything, they were all found guilty except for EH. Yes they are, it could be as much about pride as anything else, how you gonna insult somebody by asking them to do something that insinuates they are dirty when you have no proof what so ever? Its okay for Floyd and his fans to think that, Floyd has not had Pac indirectly accuse him!! of taking drugs. Also, knowing how big Mayweather's ego is i would not be surprised to of seen him do the same had he been accused. For $50 million you bet your ass. Do you think the media would have given him a pass the way they did Pacquaio if he didn't? NO!!....... it was baseless. Put yourself in his shoes, he already thinks Pac is on something. Manny acting the way he has, turning fown $50 million over random OST, an easy process he himself has now gone through, surely it solidifies his belief that Pac is on something.....just as surely as it makes his "initially" baseless claims no longer baseless.

As i see it, pacquiao wants the fight on november 13 against mayweather, so if floyd turns it down, i would say it would hurt floyds legacy more because pac is willing to fight and floyd isnt, if the fight doesnt happen of course.

I believe that both legacies may be affected, but i also think that floyd's name will be sullied more. The fact that Manny decided to go as far as 14 days and floyd jr is now demanding a 60-40 split, it would seem like floyd jr. is making more barriers to the fight whereas Pac is making more concessions. Try putting yourself in Manny's shoes. Here's a man demeaning your accomplishments, calling you a one dimentional fighter, saying your afraid of him and demanding you give him the lion's share to fight him. If you've gone through what pac has, and accomplished what he has done, with being a 7 division champion, 4 lineal division champion, with NO ONE IN HISTORY EVER ACHIEVING THAT, would you agree to conceding the lion's share to some braggart who constantly insults you and whose father and uncle regularly sullies your name with UNFOUNDED accusations of drug use? I won't pretend to know anything about how the negotiations are going, but IF and that is a big IF Manny decides to do what Roach mentioned and actually call Floyd jr's bluff and take the tests up to the fight and the fight STILL won't be made, then who'se to blame then? (but that is assuming of course manny agrees to the testing up to the day of the fight)

Why does the NSAC and other state commissions bother testing for PED's at all??? After all they too have no basis to think certain fighters are using PED's---> so why do they test. Aren't their reasons for testing also baseless if we use your logic? As for this part, huge difference when you strategically HL someone for further testing than what is ALREADY! in place, despite no evidence to suggest its needed.