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Wlads just too far ahead of this generation. Haye, Pulev and Povetkin individually are all very good fighters and Wlad overwhelmed all of them with ease.

That'd be income tax wouldn't it? It's 45% on anything over 150 thousand P/A in the U.k and I can't imagine America/Canadas much different.

I suppose it's all relative. If Cotto and Martinez are of Guarantees of 3 million or so and it gets 500k, that's really good, if Pac or Floyd are guaranteed 20-30 million and it gets 800k or so buyers, even though that's a lot more money produced there's a smaller profit margin. I don't see how these showtime Mayweather fights are making them any money if he, as he claimed, makes 35 million up front and another 30 after the ppv bonus, because that's just about every penny the ppv generates on one guy, without the split for the ppv carriers, under card fighters, advertising etc.

Everyone's on his nuts and will be until he fights someone who can fight back. David Price was in practically the same position, everyone raving, until he fought someone decent. Fortunately for AJ there's not that many decent heavyweights but I can see the hype train coming of the rails long before he gets to Klitschko, if he's even still fighting by then.

I don't mind guys who don't want to stand and trade if they're still doing something. Saturdays fight wasn't Gatti/ward but it was a decent watch, Algieri threw plenty of punches without standing and trading which would have been suicidal against Provodnikov, so I didn't mind. He thrw something like 1000 punches didn't he? It's these guys who throw 200-300 over 12 rounds and bore everyone senseless who are bad for business.

I've got nothing against Algieri but I was hoping Provodnikov would get the benefit of the doubt on Saturday, there were a few close rounds and he had the big 1st round to give him a cushion. Still, as a fan of the guy I was hoping him following Algieri around the ring getting jabbed was a plan to wear him down, but it turns out no, he was just getting outboxed for a lot of the fight. If not for a 10-7 round I think Algieri had it comfortably.

Whats the point? They're boxers, who have to fight to get paid GGG is probably the best middleweight and Geale is top 5, he could conceivably win It should be an entertaining fight for the fans Its better than doing nothing all year ala Andre Ward

The answers His fights are boring to everyone who isn't a ridiculous purist boxing nerd For a long time his persona was a really boring Christian guy, he's now replaced that with being a whiny little ***** He didn't capitalise on the super 6 which could have been a star making platform, instead he's fought like 3 times in 3 years and rows with his promoter

Stealing some other guys lunch is probably the only food this broke clown gets to eat these days, I feel for him, boxing needs to support it's retiring fighters better

Legally he's under contract to the promotional company so the suit doesn't just vaporise, it'll depend on the attitude of whoever takes over the company, they may still want to see this through to the bitter end, they may decide settle it somehow and get it over with. I got the feeling the bad blood was between Ward and Goosen particularly.

Brooks biggest fight to date was on at about 4 in the morning on sky, I think it was sky sports 2 aswell, and sky boxing viewing figures are generally only about 200,000 on a really good day when the fight is in the U.K at a normal time. No doubt he's upped his profile considerably by winning that belt but you can't compare it to winning a medal at the Olympics, fighting on terrestrial tv for years, advertising for major brands etc that Khans done since 2004. I can't see it selling out Wembley, why not hold it at Leeds or someone like that's ground, it's where both of thems' local fanbases are and isn't such a big expense while still allowing a bigger than usual attendance?

Maidana earned the first fight by surprising the entire sport but destroying Broner (don't re-write history and pretend he wasn't the heir-apparent at the time) and the 2nd after again surprising everyone by pushing Mayweather so hard. What does it matter if Khan beat him in 2010? It's 2014 now and Khan has done nothing since Danny Garcia chinned him years ago.

I don't think he beats Fury, Wilder or Joshua either, they're just too big. But I don't see how you could say he struggled to beat Witherspoon other than he didn't go out and Tyson-esque demolish the guy, which is not his style, or Chisora, where 117-112 was a lot more reflective of what happened than 115-113. Either was it was still a unanimous decision. He's not done that badly so far but will struggle to overcome the size and power disadvantage, perhaps he avoids Wilders one punch long enough to win a decision against him because the guy can't box for shit but that's as good as I see him doing.

Boxing is not in the same league as the UFC. Boxing is the best sport when it's at its best, but it's best is few and far between. I'd rather pay a premium once a month for quality matchups than pay a premium once a month (it's more like twice a month this year) for one good matchup and an undercard full of the Memphis Grizzlies vs. the Shanghai Sharks. The UFC has a roster of the top 20 MMA fighters at each division that consistently fight opponents near their ranking. Charlo-Castano type fights with 4-6 top 20 fighters on the undercard would be a monthly occurrence if boxing were on par with the UFC. An entire UFC card offers between 8-15 fight with 1:1 and 2:1 betting odds as opposed to boxing cards, which might have 3-4 fights available for gambling and 2 of those 4 are likely to be at 20:1. I don't even gamble, it's to demonstrate the disparity in expected quality/integrity. Boxing would be in a better place if fighters weren't massively devalued/discredited because of losses. Promoters and managers might actually take risks instead of carefully maneuvering fighters to a title shot, having to bribe judges along the way just in case they made a mistake in the matchmaking, to build up fighters with ****ing doge coin records. It's OK to take losses when you're fighting top competition, styles make fights and only the best of the best are going to come away unscathed. Because of the **** culture pervading boxing, Jose Ramirez can't take a loss to Postol, Danny Garcia as a prospect can't take a ****ing loss to Ashley Theophane, Tyson Fury can't take a loss to John McDermott, and a host of other **** decisions that continuously happen because of the corruption of the business of boxing. It's ridiculous, hardcore boxing fans need to get checked for battered woman syndrome. Very well put. I don't like UFC, not because I'm a boxing guy therefore I must trash everything they do to prove "my side" is winning, but I've given it a go and don't enjoy MMA style combat matches. But there's no way to deny their fans are a lot better catered to than boxing. One champion, major fights happen, contenders fight contenders, pretty solid lineups for ppv's. Look at what we get. 7 champions in the heavyweight division, continual political situations preventing AJ/Fury, Spence/Crawford and so many other fights over the years happening, way too many hometown/promoters boy favouring decisions, guys who've had 30 fights still not fighting anyone any good, weak, one fight shows, I could go on. I don't really follow the sport anymore as there's no point following it, it goes no where, there's nothing holding it together, I've just accepted that I'll tune in when it's on and hope for a good fight.

I live in the UK but thought it was common knowledge MMA (or UFC at least) leads boxing in America, and has done for a good 15 years. The decline and eventual exit of HBO from boxing was, in my opinion, a huge blow to whatever passed for organisation in the sport. Back when HBO was the platform to get paid on, it at least ensured a certain amount cohesion, they wanted the fights, the fighter/promoter knew they needed HBO to get paid, so the fights tended to happen. Now with too many channels, guys signed to exclusives to this one or that one, there' way to much A side vs B side being strung out, and the guys are getting paid so there's no incentive to make the real fights. Over here, I honestly don't see massive interest in MMA, UFC is the brand and has its following but outside of that and the occasional peak for a big UFC fight, it's not becoming a major sport here. Not that boxing's in any kind of golden age, thanks to Eddie Hearn monopolising Sky there's never been worse coverage in this country that I can remember, There's big interest in the big names, AJ, Fury, they can sell a football stadium out but interest in the level below that isn't high anymore. Going back a few years there were fights on Sky every Friday or Saturday, now there's hardly any, the coverage is fractured between too many platforms, only people who are already big fans who seek out the fights get to watch them, and are getting milked more and more for every penny, new people aren't getting into the sport. Boxings only got itself to blame for it's current standing, when something big happens the interest is still there but the industry seems intent on keeping anything interesting from happening so they can milk out second rate fights for ever!

It's the modern era. We're never going to see guys with 100 + pro bouts anymore, We won't see many with 50+. People are staying amateur longer, doing the WSB, turning pro later, and having less fights when they do. There's a lot of world top 10 rated guys these days with between 10-20 pro fights to their name which was unusual even when I started seriously following boxing about 15 years ago. Times change fast.

He'll take it. He'd be stupid not to, whatever he gets paid it'll be the most he's ever seen by far. What else is he going to do? Fight Benavidez? Move up the LHW and take on one of those Russians that no one in America's heard of, and would beat him anyway?

It's a heavyweight unification fight with an American involved. I think there's enough mass appeal there to get to a million.

What year should it have happened in do we think? I'm going to say 2014 when Brook was probably at the peak of his career and Khan was only a year or two past what I'd consider to be the end of his peak. So only 8 years too late :confused: Only in boxing. On the plus side they're both pretty much in the same state of washed up at this point so it is at least a relatively hard to pick fight.

I've been on boxing sites for a long time, and literally every fighter has their dedicated dick riders, and dedicated fanatical haters, and a bunch of normal people who don't care that much except when their fight is actually on the TV in front of them, and after just about every fight the fans of the one guy ask why everyone hates them when it's just the usual vocal collection of detractors at it again. I watched Haneys fight, he clearly won, and won against a top 10 guy, and didn't look like the second coming of Christ while doing it, and that's the truth of the matter. He's good enough to conceivably win against any of the other top lightweights but not head and shoulders above the rest of the pack at all.

He’s on the Wood-Conlan undercard. It’s gonna be a long road back to relevancy, Galahad is a decent fighter but he can’t sell a ticket, he doesn’t have an eye pleasing style and he’s an awkward guy to fight. I think he’ll have to work his way back up the rankings into a mandatory position to get a shot. His quickest root back towards the top is probably Zelfa Barrett. He's like a current day Junior Witter, but not as good. Without a belt he's going to find it hard to get attractive fights. I thought I'd heard he was taking the rematch, evidentially not, he must not fancy it, I wouldn't say he'd outgrown the division really.

I watched her fight, it was a good watch. The thing I like about Bridges is she keeps the pace up, it's never dull, but as with most womens fights, there's a lack of that edge of your seat feel because they virtually all hit like powderpuffs and there's not much chance of a knockout between evenly matched women. Plus the 2 minute rounds feel wrong. But I like her fighting spirit. And tits obviously.

Why should all these Brits get to jump the queue over Mauricio Lara? It'd sell a lot more tickets in the UK than either of them vs Lara anywhere. That's the reason. Might not be fair, but it's boxing, money comes first. I can see it happening, both I'm sure would rather not risk defeat before they get that payday. Woods come out of nowhere with 2 good wins, I'd still take Warrington though, he's been a top fighter for years and the cool off of his career was less him becoming past it, and more about a set of unfortunate circumstances taking him from a red hot fighter to a cold one in the space of 2 fights, he still looked good in the ring on Saturday to me.

when you can't beat anyone good, you might aswell fight guys 3 divisions smaller than you

I think Kovalev's story is sort of reflective of the way boxings become now. He started in his mid 20's, didn't start fighting top competition until 30, and then fought twice a year from that point. Sooner or later the physical decline's going to come, for most boxers it's early to mid 30's, and he hasn't done half of what he could have achieved. He's now hit the physical wall and hasn't achieved half of what he could have

I had it when it was £2 and kept it for a while when it went to £8, I cancelled when the only thing they had all month was a Canelo fight and there was an extra PPV cost for it. They sent me the typical come back type e-mail the other day with the schedule between now and the 20th of May is only 7 shows. 1-2 a month for £20? Laughable. I'd have been happy if they had something every week, just a British title fight in a town hall, and 7 big one's but there's so little on it for £8, and £20 is unreal considering what other platforms, even Sky Sports, give you for the money.

Yep. Between Hopkins/ODH in 2004 and Canelo/JCC jr in 2017 the only boxing matches that broke a million buys involved Floyd or Pac. The UFC has been a more consistent PPV draw for a long time now. Since that 04/05/06 sort of period it seemed the middle-of-the-range type boxing ppv's really dropped off badly. I used to keep track of ppv buys and after that period, where UFC got hot, they cooled off a bit but their average ppv's were still doing solid 200-400k number and they'd have big ones for Brock Lesnar or whoever else became big. Boxing up to that point had been the same, big Numbers for a few guys like Tyson or De La Hoya and steady numbers for the next tier down. Stuff like Vargas vs Mosley, for example, in 2006 could still get 400k buys and that was 2 guys considered to be over the hill. If the Charlos were fighting then they probably could do 300-400k but no one is in boxing anymore. If I could pinpoint any particular moment in time where UFC overtook boxing it'd be that Couture/Liddell/Ortiz rivalry than drummed up a lot of interest.

PPV popularity could have been transferred from Boxing to UFC because to Mayweather-Mcgregor To be honest UFC's been outdrawing all but boxings really big ppv's since the Ortiz/Liddell/Couture boom period which was about 2005.

Is it going to be the youtube fans who otherwise couldn't name an active boxer paying for this? No real boxing fans are going to waste their money on this are they?

All in fights held in the USA. Not saying we have any reason to crow, Ritson vs Vasquez was yet another embarrassment to the UK that makes us look like a joke nation to host fights, but Kovalev vs Ward 1 and GGG vs Canelo 1 went the wrong way, or rather the right way for the American boxing business, arguably GGG vs Canelo 2 aswell. I'd hardly call Kovalev vs Canelo a megafight either at that stage of Kovalev's career.