Loma, GGG, & Kovalev are a combined 0-5-1 in megafights vs USA or Hispanic opponents

All in fights held in the USA. Not saying we have any reason to crow, Ritson vs Vasquez was yet another embarrassment to the UK that makes us look like a joke nation to host fights, but Kovalev vs Ward 1 and GGG vs Canelo 1 went the wrong way, or rather the right way for the American boxing business, arguably GGG vs Canelo 2 aswell. I'd hardly call Kovalev vs Canelo a megafight either at that stage of Kovalev's career.

LOL @ this guys skewed asss data.

So if Lomachenko is fundamentally basic, what is Lopez "fundamentally"? Not basic? Lopez is supposed to be a more advanced technical boxer than Loma now? Is that really what you want to go with? Lopez has fundamentals but with special effects, He does things lomachenko cant anticipate so lomachenko has no answers for and has to be weary of (which is why lomachenko was shut down all night till Lopez slowed and sharpness slipped a tad), Lomachenko does nothing Lopez cant anticipate. You cant know/anticpate when Lopez will explode with a punch from out of range cause those are not fundamentals so lomachenko has to be extra careful not to get clipped from that unknown element that only Lopez know when he gonna do it, Lomachenko does not do anything outside of fundamentals so all of lomachenko threats are already known to both parties. lopez know everything what to expect and just has to rely on his skills/reaction/ring IQ to defend against it. Thats the difference.

Did they though? :D :D :D I think sometimes you don't fight hard, and that's why you get beat. When a circus performer performs, do they say screw everyone else in the circus, I'm just going to do whatever moves I want on stage to make myself look good, screw everyone else, or do they, in contrast, always perform as part of the larger circus, in order to do what is best for the overall circus production, the way that it has been planned to go with all the other performers in the production? Just saying.... Forreal. They didn't fight that hard. Look at the intensity of Pac-Cotto or Floyd-Cotto. Compared to those fights, Loma-Lopez look like a PG-13 baby version smh The boomers were just legendary man

American judges are disgrace to boxing

I thought Kovalev beat Ward in the first fight. GGG was clearly robbed in the first fight against Canelo.

VS American Judges.

Most of those are true but Kov won the first Ward fight and was stopped by a 5 punch combination directly to the balls the second fight that the useless ref counted as a knockout instead of a 5 minute rest. Then the canelo fight was really weird, pulled his punches, dont know if it was a sincere strategy to save energy and increase speed or if the fight was fixed. He had a trial and could use the money, maybe he was paid to take a dive

journeymen usually are I agree with you. He should retire. I don't think non-Americans and non-Hispanics should box anymore. I used to really like a lot of the best non-American and non-Hispanic boxers, just because they fought with more offensive styles, threw more punches, were willing to fight the best unlike a lot of protected fighters, and simply performed at as high a level in the sport as anyone else in their era. That was how I felt then. I was a fan. Now, I would happily advocate that every single one of them retire. Maybe take one or two last fights to get money to very comfortable life for both them and their children, then retire. Usyk should fight AJ for the money, then retire. Bivol should get a big fight and then retire. Beterbiev should get a big fight and then retire. GGG already got big fights, he should retire. Israel Madrimov should get a big fight and then retire. Same with all of them.

dude shut the fk up lol some sketchy at scores in all of those fights

Fundamentally basic yes but thats not to say he is not performing at the peak level of those fundamentals, and if you cant see that than IDK...... rethink your high self opinion of your boxing expertise. So if Lomachenko is fundamentally basic, what is Lopez "fundamentally"? Not basic? Lopez is supposed to be a more advanced technical boxer than Loma now? Is that really what you want to go with?

Lomachenko is basic now, lol? Nah, you know what, I agree with you. When it's time for them to become stepping stones for more marketable American/Hispanic boxers, they become basic. Before that, they look spectacular, in order to gain some sort of following and hype. And then they use that built up hype as a stepping stone for an American or Hispanic boxer, at which point the dominant, multi dimensional eastern euro fighter, like Loma, immediately becomes one dimensional. I think I finally understand all the stupid "My father plays the video game, I'm just like the character he controls" lines by Lomachenko in the lead up to this fight. Maybe that was supposed to be some sort of subliminal message that "I can't actually adjust in the ring, I'm just pre-programmed by my father, once someone makes some counters to my normal set of moves, I won't know what to do and I will lose. That's why I lost this one guys." As if, in reality, Lomachenko's father didn't also teach him how to adjust in the ring himself. As if, in reality, Lomachenko wouldn't learn how to do that naturally after 400 amateur fights and 2 Olympic gold medals. As if, in reality, the exact purpose of the mental exercises Loma does in training with the flashing lights, and the mind puzzles with his psychologist, is not to teach him to adjust and adapt quickly on the fly. What video game character is there that does mind exercises? Video game characters don't have their own minds, they are pre-programmed. Lomachenko not only has his own mind, it is indeed a main focus of his training. But vs Lopez, he truly did fight like a scripted, pre-programmed video game character, just as he, in a sense, foreshadowed. And it fits perfectly into the narrative you are repeating to me in your above post, except for the fact the narrative is stupid and makes no sense. It makes for a nice excuse for why so many fight outcomes are so illogical and inconsistent compared to the prior abilities of the two fighters in the ring, but it doesn't make sense, it's as illogical and inconsistent as the outcomes of the fights. You're right about one thing. Loma did look basic vs Teofimo. He did look pre-programmed. The problem is, Loma his entire career, pro and amateur, has not been basic OR pre-programmed. Only vs Salido, but Loma had shown huge improvement since then. And Teofimo's style is nothing like Salido's anyway. So your explanation makes no sense and is illogical, in my opinion. Fundamentally basic yes but thats not to say he is not performing at the peak level of those fundamentals, and if you cant see that than IDK...... rethink your high self opinion of your boxing expertise.

You dont need any, eastern euro blocks are basic. Lomachenko is basic now, lol? Nah, you know what, I agree with you. When it's time for them to become stepping stones for more marketable American/Hispanic boxers, they become basic. Before that, they look spectacular, in order to gain some sort of following and hype. And then they use that built up hype as a stepping stone for an American or Hispanic boxer, at which point the dominant, multi dimensional eastern euro fighter, like Loma, immediately becomes one dimensional. I think I finally understand all the stupid "My father plays the video game, I'm just like the character he controls" lines by Lomachenko in the lead up to this fight. Maybe that was supposed to be some sort of subliminal message that "I can't actually adjust in the ring, I'm just pre-programmed by my father, once someone makes some counters to my normal set of moves, I won't know what to do and I will lose. That's why I lost this one guys." As if, in reality, Lomachenko's father didn't also teach him how to adjust in the ring himself. As if, in reality, Lomachenko wouldn't learn how to do that naturally after 400 amateur fights and 2 Olympic gold medals. As if, in reality, the exact purpose of the mental exercises Loma does in training with the flashing lights, and the mind puzzles with his psychologist, is not to teach him to adjust and adapt quickly on the fly. What video game character is there that does mind exercises? Video game characters don't have their own minds, they are pre-programmed. Lomachenko not only has his own mind, it is indeed a main focus of his training. But vs Lopez, he truly did fight like a scripted, pre-programmed video game character, just as he, in a sense, foreshadowed. And it fits perfectly into the narrative you are repeating to me in your above post, except for the fact the narrative is stupid and makes no sense. It makes for a nice excuse for why so many fight outcomes are so illogical and inconsistent compared to the abilities demonstrated in preceding fights of the two fighters in the ring, but it doesn't make sense, it's as illogical and inconsistent as the outcomes of the fights. You're right about one thing. Loma did look basic vs Teofimo. He did look pre-programmed. The problem is, Loma his entire career, pro and amateur, has not been basic OR pre-programmed. Only vs Salido, but Loma had shown huge improvement since then, and there were a handful of legitimate extenuating circumstances with that fight (missed weight, low blows, 2nd pro fight first ever 12 round fight which explains why he started so late then. There is zero such explanation why he started late vs Teofimo). And Teofimo's style is nothing like Salido's anyway. So your explanation makes no sense and is illogical, in my opinion.

So what pro experience did Teofimo Lopez have against Eastern block fighters like Lomachenko? Your argument is that eastern bloc fighters don't get experience against American and Hispanic styles in the pros until it's too late, and that's why they lose those fights, so then how did Teofimo Lopez get the experience to beat Eastern Bloc fighters, especially Loma, if, as you say, eastern euro boxers and American boxers are not exposed to each other, and pro experience is most important? From what I can tell on his boxrec... ...in 15 pro fights before Loma, Teofimo Lopez had ZERO fights against Eastern Euro fighters. ZERO. So how did he have the experience to fight Loma's style, which he has never seen in the pros, but Loma didn't have the experience to beat his style? You make no sense lol. You really don't make any sense, and I am tired of posting on here. Peace You dont need any, eastern euro blocks are basic. Fundamentally great but thats where their story ends. Which is why they are great amatuers cause that style translate to amatuers but Mexican style doesn translate to amateurs. This is the reason Lomachenko beat probably 100's of Salidos in the amatuers but couldnt beat em in the pros.

Amatuers is absolutely nothing like the pros. Salido vs Lomachenko proved that easily. So what pro experience did Teofimo Lopez have against Eastern block fighters like Lomachenko? Your argument is that eastern bloc fighters don't get experience against American and Hispanic styles in the pros until it's too late, and that's why they lose those fights, so then how did Teofimo Lopez get the experience to beat Eastern Bloc fighters, especially Loma, if, as you say, eastern euro boxers and American boxers are not exposed to each other, and pro experience is most important? From what I can tell on his boxrec... ...in 15 pro fights before Loma, Teofimo Lopez had ZERO fights against Eastern Euro fighters. ZERO. So how did he have the experience to fight Loma's style, which he has never seen in the pros, but Loma didn't have the experience to beat his style? You make no sense lol. You really don't make any sense, and I am tired of posting on here. Peace

i See the Klitchko brothers were conveniently left off the list, along with Bivol, Usyk at Cruiser etc etc Can you people not just enjoy watching the best fighters wherever they come from? Vitali Klitschko's two losses came against American Chris Byrd, and UK Lamon Brewster. And Wladimir was looking completely dominant, getting better with age into his late 30s, right until boxing started to become really popular in the UK, and then immediately got old just in time to lose to the two most marketable boxers in the entire UK. So, thank you for proving my point, with that one. I'm trying to remember the last time a top talent in boxing without a big fanbase beat a top talent in boxing with a big fanbase in his prime. Rigondeaux vs Donaire, but Rigo never caught on with the fans so he became a stepping stone for Loma, even quit. In hindsight, very suspicious. And besides that one rare example, I can't even think of any. Bivol Can't even get a megafight vs a top prime opponent at all, let alone win it. Usyk at Cruiser That's because there are no marketable Americans or Hispanics at cruiserweight! If there were, Usyk probably would have lost to them in the WBSS. You are making my point for me. The only division that Eastern Euros win their big fights in is cruiserweight because the promoters are busy using the Americans and Mexicans their size to make way more money at heavyweight! Andy Ruiz is shorter than Usyk, but he gets to pack on fat and fight at heavyweight because he's more marketable. Usyk meanwhile has to start at cruiserweight, manufacture a hardcore following at cruiserweight, then become marketable enough to become a heavyweight B-side, then wait in line behind huge names like Kubrat Pulev... imagine Canelo or Floyd having to wait in line behind Kubrat Pulev, lol... wait in line for probably 2-3 years to get a fight for the heavyweight champ he's supposed to be mandatory for, Anthony Joshua... and then, based on what we saw with Canelo vs Kovalev and Loma vs Teofimo Lopez, I can only guess that Usyk will find a way to lose to Joshua anyway, because Joshua is much more marketable than him, which would once again prove my point... And I've wasted enough time making that point, already. So I will leave it there, I don't want to waste time posting on here anymore. Peace

They see these styles all the time in the amateurs, and coming up in the pros. What you wrote would make good a good PR defense for why arguably the 3 most dominant looking fighters of the era ended up failing to win a single of their 6 megafights vs American and Hispanic stars, but I don't think it passes the smell test. Not to mention, if Eastern Euro block fighters don't get experience vs American and Hispanic fighters until it's too late, then how do American and hIspanic fighters get experience vs Eastern Euro block fighters (before it's too late for them) LOL? A top American can't get experience vs a top eastern euro without the top eastern euro also getting experience vs a top American. Your comment could explain why Hispanic and American fighters are more familiar with each other's styles than they are with Eastern Euro block styles, and vice versa, which would cancel out anyway, but it fails to explain why Eastern Euro block fighters would be more unprepared for American and Hispanic styles than they would be for Eastern Euro block styles. So really, no offense, your response is ridiculous. No one has to agree with my opinion, but at least post opinions that make sense. Amatuers is absolutely nothing like the pros. Salido vs Lomachenko proved that easily.

I consider the Hispanic and USA as the same block imo, they come up together and sharpen each other. An American Black fighter cannot be successful if he cannot handle a "Mexican" Style fighter and a Mexican "Hispanic" fighter cannot be successful if they cannot handle a American Black style. These Eastern Euro block fighters do not see neither style till its at the elite level and by the time its too late and they get conquered. They see these styles all the time in the amateurs, and coming up in the pros. What you wrote would make good a good PR defense for why arguably the 3 most dominant looking fighters of the era ended up failing to win a single of their 6 megafights vs American and Hispanic stars, but I don't think it passes the smell test. Not to mention, if Eastern Euro block fighters don't get experience vs American and Hispanic fighters until it's too late, then how do American and hIspanic fighters get experience vs Eastern Euro block fighters (before it's too late for them) LOL? A top American can't get experience vs a top eastern euro without the top eastern euro also getting experience vs a top American. Your comment could explain why Hispanic and American fighters are more familiar with each other's styles than they are with Eastern Euro block styles, and vice versa, which would cancel out anyway, but it fails to explain why Eastern Euro block fighters would be more unprepared for American and Hispanic styles than they would be for Eastern Euro block styles. So really, no offense, your response is ridiculous. No one has to agree with my opinion, but at least post opinions that make sense.

i See the Klitchko brothers were conveniently left off the list, along with Bivol, Usyk at Cruiser etc etc Can you people not just enjoy watching the best fighters wherever they come from?

Odd how you forgot a few fights.. Kov vs Yarde. Kov vs Hopkins. GGG vs Jacobs Those aren't megafights lol. Megafights means vs top tier talents, P4P type talents. Canelo, Ward. Lopez was borderline, but he had every tool in the book, was undefeated and prime. There's a reason Loma vs Lopez was looked at as the biggest challenge of Loma's career so far, and the fight to finally be the first step of proving Loma's potential, the kind of fight that was supposed to happen with Loma vs Mikey but never did. Yarde was not considered blue chip like Lopez, although arguably, they're the same fighter. But Yarde losing helped set up Kovalev for Canelo, so that's another aspect to that one. Hopkins was ancient. Jacobs... don't make me laugh.