Do ppv numbers prove Ufc fans are bigger suckers than boxing fans?

The irony is that in Ufc it makes no difference who they fight,nobody is rarely ever truly the best in mma. What the fuck does this even mean lmao. So UFC champs who consistently prove themselves against other top opposition are not the best at MMA, but alphabet soup champions who never fight each other are the best boxers? nobody pays attention to them til Dana sees they fit the right demos for marketing & signs them You keep saying this over and over, but what demos are you speaking of exactly? what demographic trend is there in the UFCs roster and the guys they sign? Meanwhile major boxing promotions regularly feature fighters making their debuts, fighters with one or two fights, and fighters whos career is based on taking dives to pad the records of young kids. Mma is nowhere near as deep as boxing,so the minor leagues are mediocre af Bullshit. Bellators next event is Pitbull/McKee for fucks sake, yeah totally mediocre. Bellator, PFL, One FC, ACA, AMC, RCC, Rizin, KSW etc are all pretty high level and well produced. Honestly even the second string MMA promotions can often produce better shows than most boxing shows. Because its not truly a skill based sport like boxing,its like a real fighting version of WWE royal rumble,pure chaos with some skill & lots of random chance.(no other sports are that way) Yeah because power, speed, chin, size etc dont matter at all in boxing do they? Btw you're confusing "aesthetically pleasing" with "skilled", MMA to boxing is chess to checkers, its much more technically deep. As for "random chance", what you really mean by that is its just more unpredictable and that split second decisions and slight mistakes can have a greater effect on the outcome, I dont see any of that as a bad thing personally. In boxing half of the fight is about whos side the ref and judges are on.

There are dozens of big mma organizations Hundreds of local ones Thats where mma fighters prove their worth. By the time they get to ufc, they already showed something. Few ppl get into ufc without proving themselves first. You dont need to fight 30 bums to prove you're good. Thats just how boxing works now. If you beat 2-3 bums, that means you have skill. If you beat 2-3 skilled guys, that means you're good. If you beat 2-3 solid guys, youre special. Then you compete at a high level against other high level ppl. That actually makes sense. not fight 30 bums that has no chance of winning then winning a paper belt. The irony is that in Ufc it makes no difference who they fight,nobody is rarely ever truly the best in mma. (Mma guys fighting in minor leagues is exactly the same thing boxers do, nobody pays attention to them til Dana sees they fit the right demos for marketing & signs them. But boxers when in minors are still being ranked by 4 orgs & fight for jr belts & eliminators (exactly like Ufc but far more often,thats not a negative (you act as if its relevant that growing young boxers are already fighting professional in minor events at age 20s & accumulating wins. Its not as if you are watching those fights,so why does it matter?(most young fighters don't fight anywhere near 30 bums in a row,they wouldn't still be pros,theres a couple that did but they warent relevant either) Mma is nowhere near as deep as boxing,so the minor leagues are mediocre af,the same thing fans complain about is why boxing will remain the superior sport,Ufc will remain the best Show. Because its not truly a skill based sport like boxing,its like a real fighting version of WWE royal rumble,pure chaos with some skill & lots of random chance.(no other sports are that way)

I constantly hear about how much ppvs Ufc is doing as supposed proof Ufc is kicking boxings arse (despite the fact regular tv fights in boxing are 10x better matchups,more entertaining,higher skilled, happen far more often etc.) If boxing fights are happening more often someone needs to let me know because all I see is MMA fights everywhere. Boxing is practically an underground sport at the moment. Walk down any high street twenty years ago and the average casual would tell you who the MW, FW and HW champion were. Ask the same question today and they'll not know anything beyond perhaps Fury, AJ and Wilder, and even then they'll have no clue where he's fighting, who he's fighting and how to watch the fight. Boxing is the most fragmented sport today. Every sport has streamlined their business to provide fans with a means to watch their events and that includes Tennis with all it's tournaments. Boxing promoters ruined the sport and just because you know all about current boxing events don't assume the average member of public is the same, they have no clue. The only way to learn about upcoming fights and news is joining this forum and subscribing to YT boxing channels because you won't hear about it on mainstream TV. You'll log on here every day, have recommendations on YT and then think the sport is actually mainstream - it fucking absolutely isn't. It's dying. And agree with previous poster the whole stigma attached to a loss ruined the buzz of exciting fights. Ali losing to Frazier today, he'd be ridiculed and called a "bum" and exposed. Anyway, I blame HBO, Arum and Mayweather for the decline of boxing. HBO for calling any fighter who loses "exposed and finished", Arum for protecting his fighters and Mayweather for starting the trend of avoiding a loss at all costs.

Thats my point exactly, imagine if you seen Bud Crawford & Spence fight when both were rookies.(it wouldn't mean anything) thats Ufc in a nutshell. Guys just play rockem sockem robots,with spooning involved) in Ufc & then whatever freak occurrence happens 1st wins. Then they put them against a bunch of other guys who all have several losses & a few average wins. And unlike boxing Ufc stable is tiny in comparison,& most those guys are signed based on demographics & are no better than anyone else. It renders the whole thing an excercise in futility Because nobody is truly better than everyone else in 99% of divisions. There are dozens of big mma organizations Hundreds of local ones Thats where mma fighters prove their worth. By the time they get to ufc, they already showed something. Few ppl get into ufc without proving themselves first. You dont need to fight 30 bums to prove you're good. Thats just how boxing works now. If you beat 2-3 bums, that means you have skill. If you beat 2-3 skilled guys, that means you're good. If you beat 2-3 solid guys, youre special. Then you compete at a high level against other high level ppl. That actually makes sense. not fight 30 bums that has no chance of winning then winning a paper belt.

Ufc draws in true casuals, random ditzy hoes on my IG post up stories where they are buying the mcgregor ppv etc. I feel like true casuals like that don't really get drawn in by boxing. What we call casuals in boxing actually do have at least some knowledge of the sport in my experience. You're fooling yourself to think boxing has less casuals. Every major sport usually gets similar ratio of hardcore fans to casuals. If ufc gets more ppv buys and more frequent buys than boxing, how do you even argue that boxing has more dedicated fans? Wouldn't the sport that has higher ratings and more ppl buying it have more dedicated fans? The reason you think ufc has more casuals is because casual boxing fans don't even bother talking about it. No one bothers to talk about boxing unless they follow it closely. Ufc has more ppl talking about it which indicates it's more popular now.

Boxing is not in the same league as the UFC. Boxing is the best sport when it's at its best, but it's best is few and far between. I'd rather pay a premium once a month for quality matchups than pay a premium once a month (it's more like twice a month this year) for one good matchup and an undercard full of the Memphis Grizzlies vs. the Shanghai Sharks. The UFC has a roster of the top 20 MMA fighters at each division that consistently fight opponents near their ranking. Charlo-Castano type fights with 4-6 top 20 fighters on the undercard would be a monthly occurrence if boxing were on par with the UFC. An entire UFC card offers between 8-15 fight with 1:1 and 2:1 betting odds as opposed to boxing cards, which might have 3-4 fights available for gambling and 2 of those 4 are likely to be at 20:1. I don't even gamble, it's to demonstrate the disparity in expected quality/integrity. Boxing would be in a better place if fighters weren't massively devalued/discredited because of losses. Promoters and managers might actually take risks instead of carefully maneuvering fighters to a title shot, having to bribe judges along the way just in case they made a mistake in the matchmaking, to build up fighters with ****ing doge coin records. It's OK to take losses when you're fighting top competition, styles make fights and only the best of the best are going to come away unscathed. Because of the **** culture pervading boxing, Jose Ramirez can't take a loss to Postol, Danny Garcia as a prospect can't take a ****ing loss to Ashley Theophane, Tyson Fury can't take a loss to John McDermott, and a host of other **** decisions that continuously happen because of the corruption of the business of boxing. It's ridiculous, hardcore boxing fans need to get checked for battered woman syndrome. Very well put. I don't like UFC, not because I'm a boxing guy therefore I must trash everything they do to prove "my side" is winning, but I've given it a go and don't enjoy MMA style combat matches. But there's no way to deny their fans are a lot better catered to than boxing. One champion, major fights happen, contenders fight contenders, pretty solid lineups for ppv's. Look at what we get. 7 champions in the heavyweight division, continual political situations preventing AJ/Fury, Spence/Crawford and so many other fights over the years happening, way too many hometown/promoters boy favouring decisions, guys who've had 30 fights still not fighting anyone any good, weak, one fight shows, I could go on. I don't really follow the sport anymore as there's no point following it, it goes no where, there's nothing holding it together, I've just accepted that I'll tune in when it's on and hope for a good fight.

Average Joe wants to see a fight. I completely get that what these UFC guys are doing is actually very technical, but it has appeal to those who just want see a scrap. That's not what boxing is. And similar to other very technical sports, the biggest events aren't necessarily the best to watch as a novice.

Ufc draws in true casuals, random ditzy hoes on my IG post up stories where they are buying the mcgregor ppv etc. I feel like true casuals like that don't really get drawn in by boxing. What we call casuals in boxing actually do have at least some knowledge of the sport in my experience. MMA has more casual AND hardcore fans at this point imo.

Anyone who wants to trash ufc Order both a ufc ppv and boxing ppv Throw a party see how the party reacts to the show from my experience Almost every fight on the ufc card, everyone or a lot of ppl watch to see what happens With a boxing card, no one cares except for the Main event and sometimes not even that Ppl watch ufc to watch ufc Ppl watch boxing for 1 guy or 1 fight Yeah, its a totally different energy. MMA fans dont just talk about individual fights, they talk about whole cards "do you remember how crazy 239 was?" "261 was the best show of the year" "are you watching the UFC this weekend?" etc etc. That just shows that its a more appealing product and they're getting a better deal for their money. UFC numbers are way down, and as a private company they don’t have to release legit PPV numbers. So their numbers are way down....but also fake? which one is it? Meanwhile back in the real world they are having their strongest first half (and a bit) of a year ever for PPV buys.

UFC numbers are way down, and as a private company they don’t have to release legit PPV numbers. This right here, am finding it harder to believe their numbers now. I use to but i heard they play around with it too like boxing does.

This is it, like 3 or 4 losses in boxing you're a journeyman but if it was more like MMA many of the top fighters in boxing would have alot more losses and it wouldn't matter but they don't take the risk because they'll be written off. In the ufc, if you lose but it was competitive, they'll keep you around and give you more fights ufc will match you according to how you're ranked Youre the champ? you fight #1 or #2 contender You top 5 or 10 guy, you fight another top 5-10 guy You want to be in the ufc, you'll get your shot but you better beat the gatekeeper You want to be a top contender, you have to beat a solid guy first to be ranked I wish boxing was like that

It means the UFC has actual stars, fights and cards that a wide audience cares enough about to pay for. Boxing used to have that too. Those "suckers" are usually getting a superior show for their money btw. Anyone who wants to trash ufc Order both a ufc ppv and boxing ppv Throw a party see how the party reacts to the show from my experience Almost every fight on the ufc card, everyone or a lot of ppl watch to see what happens With a boxing card, no one cares except for the Main event and sometimes not even that Ppl watch ufc to watch ufc Ppl watch boxing for 1 guy or 1 fight

It means the UFC has actual stars, fights and cards that a wide audience cares enough about to pay for. Boxing used to have that too. Those "suckers" are usually getting a superior show for their money btw.

Boxing is not in the same league as the UFC. Boxing is the best sport when it's at its best, but it's best is few and far between. I'd rather pay a premium once a month for quality matchups than pay a premium once a month (it's more like twice a month this year) for one good matchup and an undercard full of the Memphis Grizzlies vs. the Shanghai Sharks. The UFC has a roster of the top 20 MMA fighters at each division that consistently fight opponents near their ranking. Charlo-Castano type fights with 4-6 top 20 fighters on the undercard would be a monthly occurrence if boxing were on par with the UFC. An entire UFC card offers between 8-15 fight with 1:1 and 2:1 betting odds as opposed to boxing cards, which might have 3-4 fights available for gambling and 2 of those 4 are likely to be at 20:1. I don't even gamble, it's to demonstrate the disparity in expected quality/integrity. Boxing would be in a better place if fighters weren't massively devalued/discredited because of losses. Promoters and managers might actually take risks instead of carefully maneuvering fighters to a title shot, having to bribe judges along the way just in case they made a mistake in the matchmaking, to build up fighters with fucking doge coin records. It's OK to take losses when you're fighting top competition, styles make fights and only the best of the best are going to come away unscathed. Because of the cunt culture pervading boxing, Jose Ramirez can't take a loss to Postol, Danny Garcia as a prospect can't take a fucking loss to Ashley Theophane, Tyson Fury can't take a loss to John McDermott, and a host of other shit decisions that continuously happen because of the corruption of the business of boxing. It's ridiculous, hardcore boxing fans need to get checked for battered woman syndrome.

Crawford and Spence not having fought by now is the opposite end of the spectrum on exercise in futility. We have belts, promoters, a litany of details just to get the two best welters in there together and people have the nerve to blame fans for not being understanding of the boxing business. I know why it hasn't happened, I just don't care and want them to get it done operating this sport like a real sport. Like I said we at least get more "big" fights every year compared to UFC,but no doubt its inexcusable for Bud v Spence to have gone stale already due to ducking.(but thats tha thing don't blame promoters blame the boxers who are their boss) Boxing is better overall WHEN fighters want to actually fight.(luckily more often than not we get great matchups because promoters have no choice with most fighters,only certain divas get special treatment that don't fight)

Speak for yourself,after all you spend as much time around here as anyone. This is a boxing site where ppl constantly btch about boxing while bigging up mediocre Ufc,thats why make these threads. Yep I sure Do and I'm grateful to have a JOB that allows me to sit in front of Computers all day so hey to be on the clock getting paid to post on Boxing Scene Forum while I'm suppose to be working is a Blessing lol No but seriously, one thing you don't see me doing is creating Threads and Post just constantly b%tching about the sport I claim to love...that I don't do because I really don't mind "ALL THE PPV's" just as long as they stack the card and give the fans their Money's Worth kind of like the UFC DOES! Yeah Yeah "UFC Don't Pay Their Fighters SO They're Able To Do It" yeah I know because that is always the response NOBODY force fans to buy anything, we have the choice to buy or don't buy, however with boxing it is a lot of people who don't buy but yet have all these Demands that they want from boxing

There are so many championship boxers who have like 30 wins over some pretty horrendous fighters before they fight anyone of note at all. I never really see this on UFC cards. Thats my point exactly, imagine if you seen Bud Crawford & Spence fight when both were rookies.(it wouldn't mean anything) thats Ufc in a nutshell. Guys just play rockem sockem robots,with spooning involved) in Ufc & then whatever freak occurrence happens 1st wins. Then they put them against a bunch of other guys who all have several losses & a few average wins. And unlike boxing Ufc stable is tiny in comparison,& most those guys are signed based on demographics & are no better than anyone else. It renders the whole thing an excercise in futility Because nobody is truly better than everyone else in 99% of divisions.

This is it, like 3 or 4 losses in boxing you're a journeyman but if it was more like MMA many of the top fighters in boxing would have alot more losses and it wouldn't matter but they don't take the risk because they'll be written off. This is the biggest fallacy in all combat sports. According to your logic we don't constantly get fights like the countless unifications we get every yr across most divisions. (& because of the way boxings structured,tons of boxers actually stick around for yrs & yrs, whereas Ufc you got very few known fighters in the entire sport & they fight sporadically up to yrs in between defenses like McGregor,or have very short on & off careers,or they end up with numerous broken bones causing retirement(like McGregor) you can count on every single yr on seeing guys like Canelo unifying back to back,AJ the same, Chocolatito v Estrada type unifications,Pac v Spence even to lesser degree,Charlo v Castano,Loma v Lopez,Ramirez v Taylor,& a slew of other champs also. So when you actually weigh them side by side boxing is infinitely more full of far better matchups.(for every cherrypicker boxer,Ufc has a Mall Charlo or a Chavez jr equivalent for every like them)

OR maybe they just have the money to buy PPV's because they don't spend their day trolling the internet...Just Saying! For people who don't care about UFC, why keep making threads and post about WTF the UFC is doing Speak for yourself,after all you spend as much time around here as anyone. This is a boxing site where ppl constantly btch about boxing while bigging up mediocre Ufc,thats why make these threads.

It proves boxing fans are poor. You think? Fight night all these bozos are asking for links to streams