People who say Oleksandr Usyk beats any top Heavyweights, what is your logic?

As long as AJ remains the cash cow of the division, he'll always have a chance to retrieve the WBO title. I kinda hope he vacates it and allows Usyk/Joyce to fight for it. The winner will also be able to demand a better purse in negotiations. I’d much rather see AJ-Usyk than AJ-Whyte though. AJ would easily dispatch of Whyte, it makes AJ look like a clown too after all the undisputed talk. I’m sure AJ himself wants to keep the belts but it feels like his team are looking at alternatives.

Assuming these people aren't just more morons who DKSAB (there are a lot of them on here), I'd like to know what is the logic? What is the reasoning behind picking Usyk to beat any of the top 3 Heavyweights? Let's see: 1. Tyson Fury 2. Anthony Joshua 3. Deontay Wilder Who does Usyk beat out of those three? Why do you think that? How does he beat them? Don’t waste your time with them. It’s like arguing with the mentally challenged.

Agreed mate. Team AJ are definitely concerned about Usyk, they obviously see it as a potential banana skin and that’s why the negotiations are becoming so complicated. AJ’s team will want assurances such as a rematch clause and Usyk’s team as of now aren’t willing to give them to them without significant financial reward. As long as AJ remains the cash cow of the division, he'll always have a chance to retrieve the WBO title. I kinda hope he vacates it and allows Usyk/Joyce to fight for it. The winner will also be able to demand a better purse in negotiations.

In short; His speed. Educated, faster feet. Upper body movement. His feints and glove control. Ability to slip and counter as well as punch in combinations coupled with having a great gas tank. Usyk is no easy out for anyone and their few inches in height and reach won't mean a thing as they don't fight tall and will be constantly biting and overextending themselves. He can lose to all three he can probably also beat all three. In fact I see him beating AJ quite comfortably and all Wilder has is a punchers chance. If he don't land a perfect right hand he'll get hopelessly picked off. If the fight with Wallin was anything to go by I wouldn't discount Usyks chances for one moment. Bingo. This is another issue guys like Joshua have, they dont fight tall at all.

Guarenteed I've had more "real-world boxing experience" than you and your entire family tree combined. That is beyond doubt. Experience as what? A journeyman? LOL ok. Do you have any specific instances of this fluid boxing ability of Usyk you talk about? Have you ever watched his fights? He fights in range and is hittable. It is clear to see in any of his fights. Watch footage of him before repeating nonsense you saw forum trolls spouting. Watch Usyk-Glowacki, Usyk-Breidis, Usyk-Gassiev, Usyk-Bellew, Usyk-Witherspoon, Usyk-Chisora. And you're telling me he has "actual boxing ability" and doesn't eat shots? He gets hit in every fight. That translates to "he is hittable". Ew, I'm starting to wonder if you've ever had any "real-world boxing experience". If you still want to continue your delusional argument, I suggest you use the Gassiev fight for reference, he showed the most "actual boxing ability" and fluid movement in that fight. Still hittable though, and he has shown a clear decline since that fight 3 years ago. I'll stand slightly corrected on this. I actually saw Usyk take a few too many hits than I was comfortable with in his fight with Bellew...but from the fights I have seen from him against Hunter, Chisora, Witherspoon and Glowacki. Still he has a solid chin, can Joshua break it? Unlikely. Wilder? Maybe...but then it comes back to his fight style being too negative. He would have to ice him. Won by 1 round on two judges cards, spent the majority of the fight on the backfoot, had pundits from around the world scoring it for Chisora, or a draw. You can have your opinion on what happened, but that doesn't equal what actually happened. If Usyk performs like that against any of the top 3 it would be a cakewalk for any of them. No doubt about it. He got manhandled at times and Chisora isn't even a big Heavy. I mean this is just wrong. Its is just flat out wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNGXp4S_Sw What has any fucking half decent trainer told you about over committing to shots? Expending yourself in the pursuit of meaningless overhands? Not using any effective combos? Just. Literally. Watch. It. To claim that fight was a draw is fucking insanity, even more so from someone who fucking claims to have ever stepped foot in the ring. Why on earth would I be worried about a puncher gassing himself out throwing a bunch of hooks into my guard whilst I peppered him jabs all night????? This is the sort of talk I was looking for when I started this thread. Getting down to the nitty-gritty. Joshua is much bigger than Usyk, taller, a lot heavier, bigger frame, longer reach, much much stronger. Usyk's advantages would be his all-around better boxing IQ and his rhythmic movement. It seems to rely on footwork and an unorthodox sense of timing whilst controlling the range. Relying on these advantages would require AJ to be negative and stand at range covering up and being hesitant. This is also talking about Usyk's best showing of those abilities, something that he hasn't shown at Heavyweight. He hasn't been able to control the range, and his footwork and overall movement have suffered from carrying the extra weight. Plain and simple. Consider also that AJ isn't just a static fighter who will clam up and let Usyk shine. AJ does have a poor Boxing IQ, but he has shown improvements in the basic fundamentals. He has a good jab, decent hooks and uppercuts. He can move in and out of range and is covering up better. He controls the range as good as anybody and has shown improved movement. He is also strong as an ox and can really put the pressure on when he is on top. Now, if you look at how uncomfortable Usyk looked, under pressure with Chisora stumbling after him throwing wild haymakers, with most of them far wide of the mark. How do you think he will look under pressure from AJ throwing a much more accurate, variety of punches? All while controlling the range and making it hard for slower Heavyweight Usyk to get inside to get his own punches off? How would Usyk react to the AJ who beat Ruiz in the rematch? If AJ runs at range and peppers the jab all night on the backfoot? Tony Bellew used a similar negative style and boxed Usyk's head off. And AJ has enough power to hurt anyone. As far as Wilder goes, he also has the power to hurt anyone. Yes, he can be outboxed for the entirety of a fight, but he has also knocked everybody out he ever faced not named Tyson Fury. That translates to, "Wilder knocked everybody out who isn't an ATG in this era." Suddenly people trash Wilder and call him a bum, because he got handled by an ATG. But that also doesn't fly in reality. Wilder is a total beast who finds a way to win. He could get outboxed for 12 rounds and still knock a man out. Look at Fury I. Usyk outboxes Wilder with ease, but does he have enough power to hurt Wilder? I would say no. Does he have enough about him to avoid Wilder's big punches for 12 rounds? I would say no. Usyk is hittable, looks slower at Heavyweight, and Wilder will poleaxe anyone he can land the right hand on. We have also seen Wilder punch through people's guards several times. That high handed defence simply doesn't work against the Bronze Bomber. Fury vs. Usyk would be a chess match but I see Fury just simply being bigger and better than Usyk, in every department. Usyk's lack of power would be a big issue as well. People squawk about Fury getting dropped by Steve Cunningham and Neven Pajkic, but that was a different version of Fury. A green Fury. Those fights were 9 and 11 years ago. AJ and Usyk hadn't even turned Pro back then, but people use those KDs as a source of hope that Fury may have a dodgy chin. Laughable really, and very poor reading of a fighter from noobs who DKSAB. In more recent fights, Fury fought on with his eye ripped to shreds in one fight, then walked down the biggest puncher in the division, stood in range and battered him. Fury has shown by far the best durability and punch resistance at Heavyweight in recent times. So what chance does Usyk have? Beating Fury from the outside? Beating Fury in a Boxing match? Even an idiot would laugh at those suggestions. I've not seen Joshua showing any significant ring generalship like...ever. I don't know if the balls to the wall KO artist we had pre-2019 still exists. His current safety first strategy would say no. Wilder? Well, despite me being a fan of the guy, I think some fighters know now what to look for when fighting him. And, again, in regards to the Fury, you're buying into ths schtick. Nothing makes Fury invincible, he's actually full of holes to be exploited...its just that the current state of the division lacks the talent. For Fury to be considered way above his peers he still needs to fight a bunch of live dogs including Joshua and Usyk.

In short; His speed. Educated, faster feet. Upper body movement. His feints and glove control. Ability to slip and counter as well as punch in combinations coupled with having a great gas tank. Usyk is no easy out for anyone and their few inches in height and reach won't mean a thing as they don't fight tall and will be constantly biting and overextending themselves. He can lose to all three he can probably also beat all three. In fact I see him beating AJ quite comfortably and all Wilder has is a punchers chance. If he don't land a perfect right hand he'll get hopelessly picked off. If the fight with Wallin was anything to go by I wouldn't discount Usyks chances for one moment.

Ew, again this speaks like someone who has never had any real-world boxing experience. I implore some of you to get down to the gym for a month. Just get some pad work, bag work and drilling and then take some sparring sessions. It lends perspective.Guarenteed I've had more "real-world boxing experience" than you and your entire family tree combined. That is beyond doubt. Reach is not the be-all and end-all. I have no idea what you see in the Witherspoon fight. Usyk seemingly did what he always does...start slow, find a rhythm and then finish his opponents. In reality, Chisora was out on his feet in the 7th. Usyk does something which is severely lacking in the current heavyweight division... actually box. Whilst doing so he moves fluidly, keeps his guard tight and doesn't eat shots to get shots. Simply looking up reach and making an assessment purely on that is ****ing idiotic. Do you have any specific instances of this fluid boxing ability of Usyk you talk about? Have you ever watched his fights? He fights in range and is hittable. It is clear to see in any of his fights. Watch footage of him before repeating nonsense you saw forum trolls spouting. Watch Usyk-Glowacki, Usyk-Breidis, Usyk-Gassiev, Usyk-Bellew, Usyk-Witherspoon, Usyk-Chisora. And you're telling me he has "actual boxing ability" and doesn't eat shots? He gets hit in every fight. That translates to "he is hittable". Ew, I'm starting to wonder if you've ever had any "real-world boxing experience". If you still want to continue your delusional argument, I suggest you use the Gassiev fight for reference, he showed the most "actual boxing ability" and fluid movement in that fight. Still hittable though, and he has shown a clear decline since that fight 3 years ago. And he didn't "nearly" lose against Chisora. It wasn't even expletive close. What expletive fight were you watching? Chisora actually disappointed me. He came in the first three rounds over-committing to overhand rights which Usyk blocked almost in their entirety. By the halfway point of the fight, he was a spent force. Usyk began picking him off with relative ease. That's against a pressure-fighter, in a small ass ring. Won by 1 round on two judges cards, spent the majority of the fight on the backfoot, had pundits from around the world scoring it for Chisora, or a draw. You can have your opinion on what happened, but that doesn't equal what actually happened. If Usyk performs like that against any of the top 3 it would be a cakewalk for any of them. No doubt about it. He got manhandled at times and Chisora isn't even a big Heavy. The problem both Joshua and Wilder immediately have is that they're not pressure-fighters. One picks his shots and the other fights super negatively. Joshua could lunge forward but his damage is accumulative and he could gas before that happens. Wilder only needs one punch but I legit feel Usyk could outmanoeuvre him. People now likely know that the key to throwing Wilder off is not sitting in front of him and treating his right like an inevitability. I could see Usyk boxing circles around him all the way to a decision. Fury is the biggest unknown but I actually wonder whether his height could allow Usyk to work the body. This is the sort of talk I was looking for when I started this thread. Getting down to the nitty-gritty. Joshua is much bigger than Usyk, taller, a lot heavier, bigger frame, longer reach, much much stronger. Usyk's advantages would be his all-around better boxing IQ and his rhythmic movement. It seems to rely on footwork and an unorthodox sense of timing whilst controlling the range. Relying on these advantages would require AJ to be negative and stand at range covering up and being hesitant. This is also talking about Usyk's best showing of those abilities, something that he hasn't shown at Heavyweight. He hasn't been able to control the range, and his footwork and overall movement have suffered from carrying the extra weight. Plain and simple. Consider also that AJ isn't just a static fighter who will clam up and let Usyk shine. AJ does have a poor Boxing IQ, but he has shown improvements in the basic fundamentals. He has a good jab, decent hooks and uppercuts. He can move in and out of range and is covering up better. He controls the range as good as anybody and has shown improved movement. He is also strong as an ox and can really put the pressure on when he is on top. Now, if you look at how uncomfortable Usyk looked, under pressure with Chisora stumbling after him throwing wild haymakers, with most of them far wide of the mark. How do you think he will look under pressure from AJ throwing a much more accurate, variety of punches? All while controlling the range and making it hard for slower Heavyweight Usyk to get inside to get his own punches off? How would Usyk react to the AJ who beat Ruiz in the rematch? If AJ runs at range and peppers the jab all night on the backfoot? Tony Bellew used a similar negative style and boxed Usyk's head off. And AJ has enough power to hurt anyone. As far as Wilder goes, he also has the power to hurt anyone. Yes, he can be outboxed for the entirety of a fight, but he has also knocked everybody out he ever faced not named Tyson Fury. That translates to, "Wilder knocked everybody out who isn't an ATG in this era." Suddenly people trash Wilder and call him a bum, because he got handled by an ATG. But that also doesn't fly in reality. Wilder is a total beast who finds a way to win. He could get outboxed for 12 rounds and still knock a man out. Look at Fury I. Usyk outboxes Wilder with ease, but does he have enough power to hurt Wilder? I would say no. Does he have enough about him to avoid Wilder's big punches for 12 rounds? I would say no. Usyk is hittable, looks slower at Heavyweight, and Wilder will poleaxe anyone he can land the right hand on. We have also seen Wilder punch through people's guards several times. That high handed defence simply doesn't work against the Bronze Bomber. Fury vs. Usyk would be a chess match but I see Fury just simply being bigger and better than Usyk, in every department. Usyk's lack of power would be a big issue as well. People squawk about Fury getting dropped by Steve Cunningham and Neven Pajkic, but that was a different version of Fury. A green Fury. Those fights were 9 and 11 years ago. AJ and Usyk hadn't even turned Pro back then, but people use those KDs as a source of hope that Fury may have a dodgy chin. Laughable really, and very poor reading of a fighter from noobs who DKSAB. In more recent fights, Fury fought on with his eye ripped to shreds in one fight, then walked down the biggest puncher in the division, stood in range and battered him. Fury has shown by far the best durability and punch resistance at Heavyweight in recent times. So what chance does Usyk have? Beating Fury from the outside? Beating Fury in a Boxing match? Even an idiot would laugh at those suggestions.

I don't think he beats Fury, Wilder or Joshua either, they're just too big. But I don't see how you could say he struggled to beat Witherspoon other than he didn't go out and Tyson-esque demolish the guy, which is not his style, or Chisora, where 117-112 was a lot more reflective of what happened than 115-113. Either was it was still a unanimous decision. He's not done that badly so far but will struggle to overcome the size and power disadvantage, perhaps he avoids Wilders one punch long enough to win a decision against him because the guy can't box for shit but that's as good as I see him doing.

As expected, mongoloids hating on the top 3, with no logic to back up the claims. Saying, "Usyk wins because I hate Fury/Wilder/Joshua" isn't a valid reason. How many Usyk fights have you morons seen? "Usyk won a Gold, and people say he's good... so I'll say he's good too!" Embarrassing. If you genuinely feel any of the current three deserve to be seen as vastly superior to the rest of the pack then you're delusional. They're better, but not by much. I legit think the current top three in the heavies is actually a top 5-6. No one is going to convince me that Joshua or Wilder beat guys like Hrgovic or Joyce 9 times out of 10. Fury may be the most talented, but he is not remotely consistent enough to set himself apart. His lack of consistent championship fighting will start to bite back...sooner rather than later. The problem with the top 3 is that they're not fighting enough and their reputations are starting to far precede them. I honestly question whether covid may have levelled the playing field somewhat.

You have been impressed, in this sense, against Witherspoon and Chisora? He nearly found a way to lose against Chisora. You are right he's beaten good (not great) competition. He has a good range of shots and a decent chin too. Have you been impressed with his movement at Heavyweight? Did you watch both fights, against Witherspoon and Chisora? Personally, I think his movement has declined drastically with the move up in weight. Still gives up 3-6 inches against any of the top 3. Also, while on the subject of stats, let's take a look at reach: Fury: 85" Wilder: 83" Joshua: 82" Usyk: 78" The only way he compares to the top 3 is he is a similar weight to Wilder. But Wilder is naturally lanky and ripped at 225, while Usyk looks fleshy at 215. Ew, again this speaks like someone who has never had any real world boxing experience. I implore some of you to get down to the gym for a month. Just get some padwork, bagwork and drilling and then take some sparring sessions. It lends perspective. Reach is not the be all and end all. I have no idea what you see in the Witherspoon fight. Usyk seemingly did what he always does...start slow, find a rythm and then finish his opponents. In reality, Chisora was out on his feet in the 7th. Usyk does something which is severly lacking in the current heavyweight division...actually box. Whilst doing so he moves fluidly, keeps his guard tight and doesn't eat shots to get shots. Simply looking up reach and making an assessment purely on that is fucking idiotic. And he didn't "nearly" lose against Chisora. It wasn't even fucking close. What fucking fight were you watching???? Chisora actually disappointed me. He came in the first three rounds over committing to overhand rights which Usyk blocked almost in their entirety. By the half way point of the fight he was a spent force. Usyk began picking him off with relative ease. Thats against a pressure fighter, in a small ass ring. The problem both Joshua and Wilder immediately have is that they're not pressure fighters. One picks his shots and the other fights super negatively. Joshua could lunge forward but his damage is accumulative and he could gas before that happens. Wilder only needs one punch but I legit feel Usyk could outmanoeuvre him. People now likely know that the key to throwing Wilder off is not sitting in front of him and treating his right like an inevitability. I could see Usyk boxing circles around him all the way to a decision. Fury is the biggest unknown but I actually wonder whether his height could allow Usyk to work the body.

The Mighty Oilskin Parker would make Ukrainian sausage meat out of Usyk. Grind him down and spit him out as small goods...

As expected, mongoloids hating on the top 3, with no logic to back up the claims. Saying, "Usyk wins because I hate Fury/Wilder/Joshua" isn't a valid reason. How many Usyk fights have you morons seen? "Usyk won a Gold, and people say he's good... so I'll say he's good too!" Embarrassing.

I think Usyk is talented enough to beat them all but I just don't think he has the muscle mass of punching power to keep them off him.

The top three guys beat who, and how old were they when they beat them? My point.. Fury is a fraud and packing glass. The first puncher with skills he fights he losses to.. Heck Wilder who is pst his best these days nearly fif it. Medium level guys exposed him on the way up, and let's not forget he's a drug cheat. Joshua is the most proven of the bunch. At least he beat ranked contenders who are not old. He's built as a muscle bound stiff, and had his issues vs good boxers and if he fights them good punchers. Wilder is so done, forks need not apply. Even at his best he never beat anyone. Too bad he won't fight anyone but Fury, the garden top ten man would beat him. Forget about these heavies.

All of this and @ the bold, I actually see the AJ-Usyk fight potentially following a similar trajectory to the Povetkin fight. I think Usyk can get an early lead but might get caught late. I wasn't impressed with Usyk against Chisora, he struggled with the pressure and Chisora's physical strength, AJ will not put that sort of pressure on which will give Usyk more room and time to work. He'll be able to outbox AJ at mid-range and will mostly be beating him to the punch. I still think Usyk gets tagged and potentially stopped late but it ain't a foregone conclusion like some have it. Also, the rumors of AJ vacating the WBO so he can fight someone else tells me that he/Eddie see this fight as a risk. Agreed mate. Team AJ are definitely concerned about Usyk, they obviously see it as a potential banana skin and that’s why the negotiations are becoming so complicated. AJ’s team will want assurances such as a rematch clause and Usyk’s team as of now aren’t willing to give them to them without significant financial reward.

I wouldn’t necessarily make him favourite in any but I definitely think he can potentially outbox AJ or Wilder. Far faster feet and a much better ring IQ, however, whether that is enough to nullify the massive size difference remains to be seen. I could definitely see him giving Wilder similar problems that Ortiz did or lighting up AJ early like Povetkin did but what happens if or when he gets caught? Both those guys were arguably ahead on the cards but got caught and eventually stopped. It’s hard to see him troubling Fury. That’s a very tough stylistic match up for Usyk, especially if Fury elects to keep it long. All of this and @ the bold, I actually see the AJ-Usyk fight potentially following a similar trajectory to the Povetkin fight. I think Usyk can get an early lead but might get caught late. I wasn't impressed with Usyk against Chisora, he struggled with the pressure and Chisora's physical strength, AJ will not put that sort of pressure on which will give Usyk more room and time to work. He'll be able to outbox AJ at mid-range and will mostly be beating him to the punch. I still think Usyk gets tagged and potentially stopped late but it ain't a foregone conclusion like some have it. Also, the rumors of AJ vacating the WBO so he can fight someone else tells me that he/Eddie see this fight as a risk.

you dont know shit about physics and human body, do you, Usyk is way wider than Joshua, just look at his shoulders and back, you call him a smaller man, lol

Assuming these people aren't just more morons who DKSAB (there are a lot of them on here), I'd like to know what is the logic? What is the reasoning behind picking Usyk to beat any of the top 3 Heavyweights? Let's see: 1. Tyson Fury 2. Anthony Joshua 3. Deontay Wilder Who does Usyk beat out of those three? Why do you think that? How does he beat them? I wouldn’t necessarily make him favourite in any but I definitely think he can potentially outbox AJ or Wilder. Far faster feet and a much better ring IQ, however, whether that is enough to nullify the massive size difference remains to be seen. I could definitely see him giving Wilder similar problems that Ortiz did or lighting up AJ early like Povetkin did but what happens if or when he gets caught? Both those guys were arguably ahead on the cards but got caught and eventually stopped. It’s hard to see him troubling Fury. That’s a very tough stylistic match up for Usyk, especially if Fury elects to keep it long.

I wouldnt favour him against those three but I think he would certainly pose a decent threat to AJ and Wilder and i'd pick him over Whyte, Ruiz, Parker etc.. Hes got a good chin, is better than anyone other than maybe Fury pure skills wise, and hes able to chip away with volume, movement and accuracy throughout the fight without his gas tank troubling him, which can break opponents down eventually even if he isnt the biggest puncher. People are shitting on him for that Del Boy performance but he outlanded Chisora in 9 of 12 rounds and had him hurt. Meanwhile Parker outlanded Chisora in 3 fucking rounds and Whyte had two very competitive fights with him.

Wilder isn't a great boxer. He had some trouble against Spzilka who doesn't seem much bigger than Usyk. I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk out boxed him. Usyk is also a better boxer than Joshua. He's faster, smarter and has better movement. I also wouldn't be surprised if he out boxed Joshua. Fury has been dropped before by a smaller guy but his combination of size and skill mean I would be quite surprised and impressed if Usyk could beat him. I wouldn't want to put money on him against those guys but with his skills, he has a chance.