Soo many to choose from but I enjoyed the following immensely:
Hagler Hearns
Castillo Corralles I
Pryor Arguello I
Bowe Holyfield
Moorer Foreman (for the shocking ending)
I thought Floyd looked very sharp and he executed very nice footwork, defense and a minimalist yet effective offense. Don't know what people are talking about, probably a lot of dudes who had too many beers tonight and need to watch the fight sober again tomorrow.
Remember how sharp Khan looked for 11 rounds? How it was competitive againts a washed up Morales, Karass and Josesito Lopez?
I expected tonight to be a shut out, but I had Maidana winning 4-5 rounds.
SRL destroys FMJ at 147.
However... Pound-for-pound, prime-for-prime, 130 FMJ vs. 147 SRL... that would be more competitive.
Leonard vs. Mayweather :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwbfUuEI5Ow
I see Floyd slowing down a lot, getting hit with shots he never got hit with, and missing shots he normally lands. He looked slower, more vulnerable at times and never put that finger print on the fight he normally does...His last 2 fights will be tough as i see a steep decline in him now. He won tonight clearly and i think the scorecards were to close..but he did not look like the Floyd i know
I saw it too. He looked off around the end of the 6th. I don't think FMJ has the legs for 12 rounds. FMJ kept looking at the clock the whole night -- as if he just wanted to get out of there.
After tonight, I can't see him beating Pac or Thurman. Khan would be the logical choice. FMJ can take his punch and the pull counter can drop Amir.
Just rewatched that fight, I really think that was an extremely underrated win for Floyd.
People forget that Corrales at the time was undefeated and steam rolling guys at 130,
Floyd made it look easy and absolutely outclassed him. I've never seen such a clinic at that weight.
Great win for FMJ. Arguably his best, but watching boxing for over 30 years there are better fights and 'clinics'. Lastly, no, FMJ that beat Diego is not untouchable below 147.
Off the top of my head.. Vitali and bhop. Joe Cal did this during his time as well.
By OP's parameters, Pac did this 15 in a row, but lost twice. A KO from JMM and a BS decision from Bradley. if you factor the loses, 12 in a row.
Location matters. Like the Olympics or relocating an pro team(nba/mlb/etc..), there are economic factors such as site fees, local economic impact, promotions, TV rights, etc..
If you put up an event in the UK most of the promotional budget will be allocated locally. That will affects US PPV.
No matter how you slice it pacquaio never went for the number one guy @ ww....Mosley offered to fight at 143 they declined so money fought him and beat him
FMJ is a great fighter-- ATG50 IMO--, but stats should be taken with context. We can argue all day long regarding xyz statistics, but after a while, like in baseball, there is always some obscure statistic. However, at the end of the day, it's meaningless unless the fighter secures his legacy.
As for PAC not fighting the top WW, aka FMJ. They both messed that up. Pac for declining drug testing in 2009/2010 and FMJ for a series of excuses afterwards.
Dont bullshit us,Pac was moving back and got hit with a right off balance,as soon as this happened he moved RIGHT back to Hatton,he didnt get affected at all,this is like someone saying Floyd got rocked by Hatton in the first round when he went back after being off balance,which looked way worst then what happened with Pac,a stupid thread
I agree. It happend with 2:36 left in the 2nd round. Hatton, accidentally stepped on Pac's right foot as he tried a counter right.
If Pac beats Hatton convincingly he would be the fighter of the decade. Howerver, until that happens its Floyd Jr.
BHop is up there, but he's 3 -3 in his last 6 fightss (over the last 4 years, 48 months)
W - Pavlik
W - Tarver
W - Wright
L - Taylor
L - Taylor
L - Joe Cal
Man that's close 266 pts. for FMJ and 265 pts for Pac.
Yahoo! Sports' P4P ranking uses a point system with 28 correspondents. 10 pts for #1, 9 pts for #2, 8 pts. for #3....... 1pt for #10. Judging by their point totals:
FMJ got 15 #1 votes, 12 #2 votes and 1 #3 votes. 150 + 108 + 8= 266.
Pac got 13 #1 votes and 15 #2 votes. 130 + 135= 265.
you ever work out and maintain a high calorie diet? the suitable calorie intake for mass/strength training is 3000 calories. it's very unlikely for someone to remain 142 pounds while consuming 8000 calories a day. that's more than double the optimum calorie intake for bodybuilders. not to mention, sometimes eating 3000 calories a day you have to set specific times to work out or you may feel like throwing up during exercise. 8000 calories a day and pac would be a couch potato, probably wouldn't be able train properly.
With all due respect, pls. don't compare bodybuilding with training for a prize fight. Two totally different training methods which produce different caloric deficits.
I agree with Nasim, pac was huge for a FW.
Pacman's chin improved because he went up in weight. He didn't have to lose tons of water weight to make the FW limit. Much like our body, the brain is needs ample amounts of water (so it doesn't bounce around as much inside the skull if you're caught with a punch:)
@ Pac v JMM 2, the pacman's fight night weight was in the mid 140's. @ Pac v Cotto, pac looked similar to his DLH fight night weight of 149. A difference of about 5lbs gained in the span of two years.
JMM did stun Pac in their second encounter @130. It was from a masterful 3 punch counter punctuated by a vicious hook which Pac did not see coming. IMO, pac was hurt, but not enough to freeze and stop throwing back.
I updated the table: switched the names, updated Zabs record (damn excel copy n paste).
BTW, the measurements are from their respective lead ups to Mayweather/Marquez and Pac/Cotto.
if this gives such an advantage why do most fighters cut significant amounts of weight for fights ?
It depends on the fighter.
Not counting the Margarito and Pac fights, Cotto's chin looks a lot better @ 147 than 140.
Freddie Roach decided to bring Amir Kahn up in weight from 135 to 140 because he thinks its a better weight for him. He's probably hoping his chin would be better at the new weight since he will not be as dehydrated making weight.
Leggit stoppage. Jones tried to clinch, but his legs were gone. After the knockdown, Green unloaded 50 punches in 30 secs. and Jones did not return fire during the barrage.
As a boxing fan, Its never too soon to have a fight of this magnitude. However, if I were in either camp I would have pushed it back a bit, give enough time for Pac recoup and May's camp to formulate and prepare.
September.
This is too huge a fight to promote with a 3 or 4 month lead time.
If paman is hell bent on running for a congressional seat in his homeland March is too soon. According to wikipedia the elections will be held the first week of May 2010. I also believe it would favor FMJ to take a tune-up before locking horns with the pacman.
Maybe this fight happens, maybe not. Here's some food for thought.
1st fights when they moved up:
De La Hoya jumped to MW and fought Felix Strum for his belt
Mosley moved from LW to WW fought Wilfredo Rivera
FMJ from 140 to WW and fought Sharmba Mitchell
RJJ LHW to HW to fight John Ruiz a belt holder at HW
I'll give him credit for fighting a real WW like Luis and Carlos (southpaws to boot) It would definitely be a step up from his last two fights @ WW. However, I would not give him too much credit because he should have been fighting at this level anyway.
A lot of credit if he fights Mosley, PWill, Pac or Cotto.
P4P and in their prime Oscar was the best. Mayweather got to him a bit late in Oscar's career, past prime.
Chico Corrales at the time he fought Floyd was a monster. Floyd's best opponent and best perfomance.