Pacquiao beat down Bradley in his weight class, Who is a better fighter than Gamboa, by a long shot. Aligeri win is also impressive, complete wipe out, what was it? 6 KD's, the guy who outboxed RUslan, one of the most feared fighters in the division.
Crawford's win over Burns was ok. Burns should've lost to Beltran, i actually see Beltran, Manny's sparring partner, as a better fighter. And Gamboa has looked like *****, he was nearly gettin Ko'ed by journey men, came back after a long lay off to fight Crawford at a weightclass he doesn't belong. Don't get me wrong, great string of wins for Crawford, and i like seeing that from the up and coming generation, but Pacquiao competed at a higher caliber, and made it look easy, really easy.
Fans need to settle down a little bit, look at the real picture. I know it's fun seeing new fighters stringing good wins together, but Pacquiao was far more dominant, against better competition.
Pacquiao should be fighter of the year.
It's sad that this is a serious thread. FOH....the Bradley win was good, but Algeri???? If an up and comer best these 2, that would be different, but Manny, like Floyd, should be held to a higher standard. Some of u Manny fans are a damn joke....
That's a good point.
Rigondeaux beat up Donaire, then Donaire had a very tough fight with Darchinyan.
Bradley lost to Pacquaio then had a war with Ruslan.
Bradley did beat Marqeuz though, although I felt that could have gone either way.
Yeah exactly. It was pretty much exactly the same. Obviously, Bradley then beat Marquez in a close fight which was a good win. Donaire went up in weight to grab another belt against Vetyeka who beat Chris John. Also a good win.
Also, Lara was a good win for Canelo even if it was a disputed decision.
This whole talk about Bradley being win of the year.. I mean it's hypocrisy really.
Didn't Mayweather also beat Maidana whom he thought he already beat also? Albeit not as impressive as Bradley right?
Simply put both Pacquiao and Mayweather are running out of options to fight and inevitable is clear and obvious. THEY MUST BOTH FIGHT but alluding to this thread's topic, Pacquiao fighting 2x and in the fashion of beating up both undefeated fighters in Bradley and Algieri, you would have someone hard-pressed beating these for this year's FOTY award...
What does Floyd/maidana have to do with this thread? Manny's win was more impressive. I surely am not thinking Floyd should win FOTY. FWIW, last year when Floyd won BWAA FOTY I said he shouldn't have won.
Crawford, Kovalev, Gonzalez all had better years. If beating a guy almost everyone thought you had already beaten and a 14-1 underdog should not put you in consideration for FOTY.
We can agree to disagree.
its because u went off topic big time.
my first quote to u was with ur comment about if any other ww would had beat tim and chris this year, they would have gotten no credit for it.
i quoted u saying, actually if that happen then they would have gotten credit for it but unfortunately nobody beat tim and chris until manny.
then u reply back with no, they wouldnt have gotten the credit.
thats when i asked u why do u keep making it seems like other fighters had already beat tim and chris and got no credit for it.
dude i dont even care about manny is being nominated, or if pac should be foty. i was replying to u only because u made it seem like people is praising manny for beating tim and chris when other fighters had already beat tim and chris and got no praise for it.
No I didn't. I made it clear no other WW would get FOTY consideration for beating Tim and algieri. Had a JWW done this than yeah they might. Manny already beat Tim and algieiri had no chance.
If you disagree, fine.
Didn't Mayweather also beat Maidana whom he thought he already beat also? Albeit not as impressive as Bradley right?
Simply put both Pacquiao and Mayweather are running out of options to fight and inevitable is clear and obvious. THEY MUST BOTH FIGHT but alluding to this thread's topic, Pacquiao fighting 2x and in the fashion of beating up both undefeated fighters in Bradley and Algieri, you would have someone hard-pressed beating these for this year's FOTY award...
brother nobody is making a case for floyd to be FOTY
Didn't Mayweather also beat Maidana whom he thought he already beat also? Albeit not as impressive as Bradley right?
Simply put both Pacquiao and Mayweather are running out of options to fight and inevitable is clear and obvious. THEY MUST BOTH FIGHT but alluding to this thread's topic, Pacquiao fighting 2x and in the fashion of beating up both undefeated fighters in Bradley and Algieri, you would have someone hard-pressed beating these for this year's FOTY award...
Two words Terrence Crawford!!! No one really even knew who provo was, much less algieri....
lol smh, the fact they are defending the algirei win and are trying to hype it up yet call other fighters cherry pickers is what sold me, they are insane and unapproachable... all of a sudden bradley has become an ATG and they focus on his ranking at #3 when pac beat him, (AFTER THEY DOGGED HIM OUT FOR GETTING GIFTS AND HAVING NO POWER) yet we cant defend fighters who beat highly ranked fighters using the same logic????? Bradley is a good tough fighter but lets get real here!
bottom line if any other top WW beat a fighter they already beat and then beat algieri there would be nothing but jokes and he would not be in the runnings for fighter of the year!!!!
Agreed!!! Great post!!!!:headbang:
you are not really making sense any more in this thread.
Manny is the WBO WW champ. this year he beat a guy everyone thought he beat already and a JWW 14-1 underdog. Both were undefeated officially. IMO and of many others, this is not enough for FOTY consideration.
Beating Tim and ALgieiri at WW (and 144) would not put any of the top WW's in position for FOTY primarily because following a Tim win with ALgieiri is such a steep drop in competition.
If you think otherwise, fine. we can agree to disagree.
its because u went off topic big time.
my first quote to u was with ur comment about if any other ww would had beat tim and chris this year, they would have gotten no credit for it.
i quoted u saying, actually if that happen then they would have gotten credit for it but unfortunately nobody beat tim and chris until manny.
then u reply back with no, they wouldnt have gotten the credit.
thats when i asked u why do u keep making it seems like other fighters had already beat tim and chris and got no credit for it.
dude i dont even care about manny is being nominated, or if pac should be foty. i was replying to u only because u made it seem like people is praising manny for beating tim and chris when other fighters had already beat tim and chris and got no praise for it.
you are not really making sense any more in this thread.
Manny is the WBO WW champ. this year he beat a guy everyone thought he beat already and a JWW 14-1 underdog. Both were undefeated officially. IMO and of many others, this is not enough for FOTY consideration.
Beating Tim and ALgieiri at WW (and 144) would not put any of the top WW's in position for FOTY primarily because following a Tim win with ALgieiri is such a steep drop in competition.
If you think otherwise, fine. we can agree to disagree.
Didn't Mayweather also beat Maidana whom he thought he already beat also? Albeit not as impressive as Bradley right?
Simply put both Pacquiao and Mayweather are running out of options to fight and inevitable is clear and obvious. THEY MUST BOTH FIGHT but alluding to this thread's topic, Pacquiao fighting 2x and in the fashion of beating up both undefeated fighters in Bradley and Algieri, you would have someone hard-pressed beating these for this year's FOTY award...
Its funny how all the pac fans want to give him credit now for his wins against bradley and algieri, when they were shiatting all over both fighters for getting what they call "GIFT DECISIONS"!:lol1:
lol smh, the fact they are defending the algirei win and are trying to hype it up yet call other fighters cherry pickers is what sold me, they are insane and unapproachable... all of a sudden bradley has become an ATG and they focus on his ranking at #3 when pac beat him, (AFTER THEY DOGGED HIM OUT FOR GETTING GIFTS AND HAVING NO POWER) yet we cant defend fighters who beat highly ranked fighters using the same logic????? Bradley is a good tough fighter but lets get real here!
bottom line if any other top WW beat a fighter they already beat and then beat algieri there would be nothing but jokes and he would not be in the runnings for fighter of the year!!!!
I thought bradley beat provo, and remeber getting slandered for it... so i would disagree with you that everyone felt bradley beat provo in that one.
fine, but it's definitely not the majority
you are not really making sense any more in this thread.
Manny is the WBO WW champ. this year he beat a guy everyone thought he beat already and a JWW 14-1 underdog. Both were undefeated officially. IMO and of many others, this is not enough for FOTY consideration.
Beating Tim and ALgieiri at WW (and 144) would not put any of the top WW's in position for FOTY primarily because following a Tim win with ALgieiri is such a steep drop in competition.
If you think otherwise, fine. we can agree to disagree.
Agreed... floyd would not get any credit for beating algieri, thats for sure.
Not even in contention, it's either Walters or Crawford. Honestly though, it hasn't been an impressive year for anyone.
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everyone had bradley winning the provodnikov fight
some just argue the not counting of suppossed knockdowns
I thought bradley beat provo, and remeber getting slandered for it... so i would disagree with you that everyone felt bradley beat provo in that one.
what am i making up? i asked u why do u make it seems like some other fighters had already beat tim and chris and got no credit for it then when manny beats them manny gets all the praises. i asked u this because of what u posted below --
that is why i asked u why do u keep making it seems like some other guy had already beat tim and chris and got no credit for doing it?
you are not really making sense any more in this thread.
Manny is the WBO WW champ. this year he beat a guy everyone thought he beat already and a JWW 14-1 underdog. Both were undefeated officially. IMO and of many others, this is not enough for FOTY consideration.
Beating Tim and ALgieiri at WW (and 144) would not put any of the top WW's in position for FOTY primarily because following a Tim win with ALgieiri is such a steep drop in competition.
If you think otherwise, fine. we can agree to disagree.
Nope, its because everyone on here except maybe a few felt tim got gift wins against pac and provo.......he literally got no credit for those wins.. the same with algieri, everyone was saying robbery when he beat provo..
everyone had bradley winning the provodnikov fight
some just argue the not counting of suppossed knockdowns
How would he legitimately be p4p no.3 to you when you say he got gift wins over pac and provodinikov????
well after the bradley "loss" pacquiao was moved down from #1
despite everyone considering it a robbery the list makers seemed to feel it had to be addressed and not ignored, so pacquiao goes down, bradley up, then bradley beats ruslan and puts on an impressive "technical" performance vs pacquiao's conqueror
thus p4p #3 and the odds leading up to the pacquiao rematch being more or less even, bradley had alot of belief behind him, unlike the first fight being a 6-1 underdog
Its funny how all the pac fans want to give him credit now for his wins against bradley and algieri, when they were shiatting all over both fighters for getting what they call "GIFT DECISIONS"!:lol1: