ward won tonight and i hear he floored a guy with a awsome combo, do u guys think RJJ is pushing ward to be a reincarnation of him or do u think this si great for ward and RJJ is the best teacher he could have cause he naturaly fights just like him, or is rjj forcing him to?
i heard james toney said it was like watching a old SRR fight.. GO WARD USA USA
Is Roy promoting Ward or training him or something?
I remember thinking Grant never knew what to do when he got hit. When he started taking shots against Guinn for instance, his defence would go to pieces and he'd drop his hands and walk into more shots. I think he was down to be fighting tonight but I don't know if it came together
Castillo has said he's moving up no matter what happens with Corrales - so Morales might not get the chance to fight him. I can see why people are demanding a Pacquiao rematch but I think Morales should be forgiven if he denies him the opportunity because he is moving up for an even bigger challenge - and fighting Corrales is huge
Floyd could probably fight effectively to a very old age because his defensive style is so slick. It's better than james toney's defense.
I agree - a lot of people seem to think that Floyd's career will take a downturn earlier than other fighters because his main weapon - his speed - will be the first thing to go. But his defensive slickness is going to add years to his longevity - he doesn't just rely on being able to pull his head back quicker than the other guy can punch. Defensively PBF is streets ahead of Roy - but some of the single shots Jones could pull off were far more devastating than anything Floyd has done
Corrales - Castillo without a doubt. Don't see how anyone can have it any different without having missed this one. The fact that some people do, just shows how lucky we've been so far this year with great fights - let's hope the second half of the year continues the trend.
Where did you hear it was August 12th PPV?
I saw it on Boxingtalk but I figured it was a mistake - it was originally announced that PBF would be back on Nov 12th
Reason I'm thinking Aug 12th is wrong is that first it's a Friday, and second just over a month is not a lot of time to get an opponent and build a PPV.
Also - if Floyd really is going to go straight up to 147 won't he want to manage the transition a little more smoothly - ie take a little time to figure the best way to put the extra weight on?
I agree.. I think mosley is underrated. He has been doing bad lately because he rematched immediately forrest and winky. He did very well against winky in the rematch and it was a very close fight.
Exactly - not only do they present the kind of style problems that Gatti does not - in both rematches Shane was a lot closer and looked to have learned a bit. I don't think he's shot at all - the Wright rematch was close and that was against a bigger man and a P4P fighter. Mosley beats Gatti easy. I know he wasn't great against Estrada - but it looked more like he was trying new things rather than looking to go to work on him - plus it was his first fight back after a series of world title fights - so maybe motivation was a factor
Billy Graham laughed at the idea that Hatton might fight Maussa - he said 'I don't think people would have it, would they?'
I don't think Hatton's going to want to fight him either - he's looking to increase his respect - and beating Maussa does nothing for that
Castillo is practically a jr welter already - although he's tight at lightweight, I don't think he'll come in drained. I think he has the chin to take any of Corrales' big shots, and Corrales lacks the skills to keep the relentless pressure Castillo will bring at bay. Castillo outworks him to a UD
That was explained, man. Listing on accomplishments at 140 Hatton has to be #1. Who would beat who at 140 is a different thing. I think Mayweather is the most skilled at '40, and you'd probably be stupid to deny it, but Hatton deserves the #1 ranking for his accomplishments as of right now. (Note: This does NOT change my views on the Hagler/Sugar Ray at middleweight thing from boxrec)
Exactly - being #1 in a division is a matter of what you have done in that division - not what you could do, or what you've done in any other division. As of now, you can't argue with Hatton being #1 - the only argument is over who is the best, and in that debate I can't see past Floyd
Why shouldn't it be held in the UK when it could fill a 60,000
stadium there. MSG would be great - but a packed stadium would be something special - and could well be where the money is for both fighters
I can't see this being Floyd's next fight. Okay so be beats Gatti spectacularly - but everyone knows that Gatti was basically given the belt after Tszyu was made WBC emeritus champ. He needs to beat Hatton or Cotto before he can fairly be called a champ at 140.
Having said that - Floyd beats Margarito easy at 147. Margarito is way overrated - I pick Judah, Mosley, Spinks, DLH, Mayorga, Forrest and even Santos over him at 147
I Disagree
Mosley just narrowly lost to a top P4P guy and did it at least 14lbs above his natural weight. Mosley definitely bulked up too much when going up to 154 - but he claims he's laying off the weights - and I expect to see the best Mosley since DLH I.
There are still big fights which are winnable for Shane at 147 - I wouldn't write him off as old until we see how he fares as a lighter fighter
If Mesi does fight again I think he'll get a shot straight at whoever wins from Klitschko - Rahman. He was no.1 WBC ranked before he his license suspended, and Mesi's team will want to capitalise on him being able to fight straight away given that they might be less than sure how many fights he's got in him. Mesi brings some money to the table as well so I think whoever is WBC champ will want to fight him. Tyson is the obvious other one but beating him does nothing for Mesi and losing would be crippling
I understand why people hate Harrison, but to be fair he has been injured for almost a year, and his progress has been hindered with injury before then. Harrison is at the stage where he needs to be fighting every other month. He needs to get in with someone like Whitaker, Nobles, Donald or even maybe the winner of Brock-McCline to raise his profile and move closer to a shot at a genuine title. I have the same feelin I always get with Harrison, that any progress is going to be made a lot more slowly than it needs to be
Steward wasn't going to train Harris originally - he saw Harris sparring and was going to turn him down until Harris let him know that he was already the WBA champion.
His own trainer didn't know who he was - Harris badly needs some exposure. Fighting on the Gatti-PBF card is exactly what he needs - he's been acting like he's the man in the division already but the public don't know who he is.
I want to see Cotto - Abdulaev. This is a great matchup - Abdulaev only has one loss when he stayed on his knee against Clottey. Abdulaev was touted as one of THE top prospects before that loss and I think he gives Cotto a lot of trouble.
I've heard that Toney is weighing around 240 at the moment which sounds a bit worrying. Roach claims he'll come in around 225 - 230 which sounds too much considering he was 217 against Holyfield. He was 227 for Booker but that was a workout really.
I can see their thinking - that he'll need the weight to combat Ruiz's mauling and pressing himself against Toney - but I worry that it will affect his sharpness and Toney's ability to sustain attacks into the later rounds.
never mind those guys he hasn't even taken on the best british or european boxers yet, his career has moved at a snail's pace so far, and it shows no sign of getting faster any time soon
That's true but if we take Harrison at his word, he cares about winning a major world title. He probably figures that taking on the best in Britain and Europe is a less direct route - and probably a more risky one. His manager said yesterday that his next opponent is going to be announced very soon - I just hope it's not a fight against a bum which he justifies as a necessity to work off the ring rust he's got from a year out.
It makes sense for Froch. There's no where to go for him domestically - Calzaghe, Magee and Reid all don't want to fight him. There are some good European fights out there - The winner of Tsypko - Magee would be good. But it'll take a while to become mandatory. Under Golden Boy promotions he'll be guaranteed US exposure and more options and money than he'll get over here. I still think being on the undercard of Barrera - Fana would have been a better move for him. I hope we see him on a major undercard sooner rather than later.
don't forget about people moving up into it like tarver. does anyone know whats up with jirov since his loss to moorer??
Jirov has a fight against a guy called Forrest Neal this weekend - it's a rebuilding fight for him (I think the guy is 16 - 5 or something)
I don't know how much effect increasing the weight limit is going to do for the cruiserwieght division. Long term it could increase the depth of the division - but the heavyweight division is that much more lucrative for a successful fighter that it will always entice fighters to leave cruiser and move up. I don't think this is the era of the giants at heavyweight that some people seem to think it is - they have speed and stamina issues that can really hurt them coming up against the smaller guys (just look at W Klitschko or Byrd - McCline). Byrd is never going back down - he made a conscious decision to train his body into a heavyweight form because of the prizes at heavyweight.
okay Gerald you've been a member since July and this is your 12th post? WTF? You're about as well known as Harris...relative to these boards ;)
Fair point - but I'm not claiming I'm the man around here
Joined in July for the download section - I was posting on a different board but I'm looking to get involved on others like this one
Increasing muscle tissue is the body's way of adapting to the increased strain it has been under, when you lose the muscle mass this just means that the body is less able to cope with the same kind of strain for which it adapted. Converting from 100 metres to 800 in athletics will result in diminished muscle mass - but this is just the body adapting to a new discipline. You can have too much muscle mass for certain disciplines and this is what happened to Shane when he started to lose his speed, mobility and snap in his punches. If you're saying that radical muscle deteriotation is always bad then I agree - but 7lbs is not radical
Muscle breaks down naturally if you have been lifting to maintain an artificially high muscle mass and stop doing the work necessary to maintain it. If this is over a long enough period - I don't see that coming down 7 lbs is going to be a problem
V Klitschko beats Rahman TKO10
Toney beats Ruiz UD
Byrd beats Barrett UD
Golota beats Brewster TKO8
W Klitschko beats Castillo KO5
W Klitschko fights and beats Byrd KO7
V Klitschko fights and beats Toney UD
Golota will eventually be given a shot at one of them and might knock Wladimir out but lose to Vitali
no it wouldnt neither one should ever be undercards.
for one thing its disrespectful to great fighters. and the main thin is it would be 2 fights in one day intead of saving one for the a week with no boxing on.
Zab's last fight was on an undercard, in fact, he hasn't been the main event on a major card since the Tszyu fight (maybe he was co-main event on the Klitschko - Brewster card, I forget) - the undercard is where Zab should stay until he makes another good fight. There's also no reason why Zab can't be a co feature on a Mayweather card in order to set up a later showdown - seems to happen all the time now
Paying $45 to watch a guy you like beat up a bum doesn't make you any more of a "real" fan than someone who doesn't throw away their money on garbage.
PPV should be reserved for big fights, between big fighters.
Amen
If everyone paid for everything we wouldn't get any free boxing