Mosley is an ACTUAL welterweight, and the welterweight champion at that.
Pacquiao is great but a fight with mayweather would be for a mythical pound for pound title and nothing else. Neither Mayweather nor Pacquiao is the champ in the division they would be fighting.
Mayweather-Mosley on the other hand, is for the definitive #1 spot in the welterweight division.
It may not be bigger, but it could be a better action fight, and its more meaningful
I agree it's a better and more meaningful fight especially since I think either of them beats Pacquiao right now. After this fight, I don't know. It's gonna be tough and may take a lot out of both guys. (good for Pacquiao) :boxing:
exactly Forrest had the perfect style, long jabs and rights for Shane & Winky was too good, too big. I think the first DLH fight was his coming out party, so to speak, & Vernon spoiled his momentum so career wise, with his ups & downs this is a huge fight in terms of where he is finally remembered in history. If he does Floyd dirty & then goes on to dust off Pacquiao his spot on that list everybody talks about shoots way up.
You're right dude. Shane has to be aggressive and use his speed & ability to throw power shots to make Floyd uncomfortable in there. Don't let him rest/relax for a minute. The other thing is that Shane's a good body puncher and he cannot head hunt this fight. Mix it up to the body & head and give angles to offset Floyd's defense. Lastly, the jab, if he doesn't paw with that jab & actually snaps it, it will help him set up those power shots he needs to land. Floyd's gotta do what he does & try to trick Shane into a defensive fight, where he's thinking about his every move. To do that I think Floyd has to start out aggressive going at Shane hard & fast to remind of his speed and show him he has some pop also. Then he can settle into his defensive style, hopefully after tiring Shane out a bit from getting tagged and trying to find him. I think the X-factor will be if Floyd's hands hold up honestly and I hope they do... He's gonna need them both and I wanna see a good fight.
This was also my first fight as an amateur. I feel I did good up to the 3rd round before I started getting careless and dropping my hands. I was also a little tired and I didn't see some of the shots coming and as a result I got 2 8-cunts and almost lost the fight.
Take a look at the video and let me know what you guys think (I'm the one in the Gold). Thanks
not bad for your first one. how long you been training? (saw you switch to southpaw briefly) sometimes you lunged with the right but it's good you built an early lead-- you don't see a lot of guys win after getting 2 standing 8's in the amateurs novice class. where you training out of? :boxing:
never mind the power and the size, who do u think is better?
I've had this conversation a few times; I think its a toss up kid. Ivan has been my favorite since my first amateur fight, have seen him air dudes out on some aggressive shit and just make guys look stupid. On the other hand I've seen Floyd do the same thing. I think Floyd may be better at standing in front of a fighter and not getting hit while Calderon is the best at using the jab & boxing your ass around the whole ring all night. That is a true boxing fans fantasy fight dream come true though. Great post.:boxing:
dude you're right & there's no point in arguing with fools... Hopkins & Winky should've won both of those fights because they beat that kid's ass.:boxing:
Post fight interview
I posted this in the history section but I figured it would get more attention here.
Gee, 500k for a champion to come up in weight and fight the next division's champ who will get 12 million??????? I'm shocked he wasn't falling over himself to sign the contract... Question, if you were wearing Aaron's Pony's, would you have taken it? nice try at sensationalizing/debunking though
Yeah, if I remember it right, dude he was supposed to fight backed out & he stopped training camp & then, boom! They brought in Klitschko. He was upset but fought anyway. Given that & his history in rematches I would have to give him the edge--I mean, once he figured out to box Klitschko inside he probably would've stopped him. He's not given enough credit for his ring smarts... Given his opinion of himself, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he never took the rematch as a response to having to take THAT fight on short notice being that he was the champ. who knows
Mosley is an agressive speedy fighter. He is also a very techinical boxer. Cotto beat him on his game.
Pacquiao can bring the best performance of his life and he still has a chance of getting caught against this very dangerous fighter.
Just to remember you, Cotto KD'ed Clottey with a jab, and also hurted him with a body shot. Clottey is a proved wall and had trouble with Cotto's power, Mosley is a fast guy and had trouble with Cotto "timing".
Pacquiao is in a very VERY dangerous fight.
2nd that. You said it bro
hilarious, seriously though, somebody needs to present some legitimate punchstats--and by legitimate I mean compile by someone in no way affiliated with dude's hometown or promotional company... straight bullshit
good for him... Winky needs to fight like 3 times next year & co-promoting his own events is a good way to become/stay relevant in the loop. Skill-wise, he was sharp against PWill but "the kid" was a walking razor that night. Winky will be fine & as long he keeps boxing smartly he'll beat most fighters-no style change necessary...:boxing:
Ohhh shit!!!!!!!!! robbery!!
Straight bullshit!!!!!!!!! damn, after Guzman got bloodied by the 1-2 he fought the wrong type of fight. maybe he started wrong anyway, I think he should've gone at Funeka but been on his toes the entire time moving in and out of range, throwing punches in bunches and turning when on the inside. Funeka did everything he should've done, threw combinations, kept the range and even turned the smaller man on the inside: imo. only thing he could've of done is throw right hands to the body from range. Those judges should be banned from the sport of boxing, the fix was definitely in!!!!!!:boxing:
Ricky can win
back on topic, I'd say Hatton has more than a chance... Ricky's mostly struggled with guys sho walk around at the same weight he does, 160 (Collazo) or who can out-skill him (Mayweather). he's naturally heavier than Pac (Ricky will prolly come in around 148 on fight night), just as hard a puncher (it remains to be seen if Pac will carry his speed & power up to 140+), is really aggressive and works the body as well as roughs up his man quite a bit. Pac is a tough s.o.b., is quick and can punch but I'm really interested in seeing how he responds to the bigger guy's wrestling & mauling over the course of the fight. Should be a good one; that is if Paulie doesn't outslick Ricky in their bout...
Wtf are you guys talking about? Since when do Marquez, Johnson, Soto or Phillips have terrible records? A bunch of losses, sure, but each guy has over 40 wins for fucks sake! 44-7 is not a terrible record at all. Its an excellent one.
he's right. a couple of losses does not make a bad record. What I meant was for posters to list fighters with records that don't indicate how skilled they actually are...
I don't look at it like that all really, since there are weight classes and they serve a purpose. With that logic, Taylor-Pavlik II was the middleweight championship without having to make weight. Different kind of fight.
The same with Corrales-Castillo II, making weight was not an issue to Castillo, atleast.
Floyd had proven to be more of a welterweight by beating Zab Judah, who was a former welterweight champion, Carlos Baldomir who was the reigning champion at the time, and then even going up in weight to 154 to beat ODLH.
Hatton's only welterweight fight of consequence was with Luis Collazo. In that fight, this happened:
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To say Mayweather is less of a welterweight than Hatton is inaccurate.
If Mayweather is less of a welterweight than Hatton, is Hatton also more of a junior middleweight than Mayweather?
would like to point out that Mayweather weighed only 150 for that ODLH fight. He, didn't even make the limit. If you come in on fight night for a welterweight fight at 147, you're a junior welter. sorry.
could be that a lot of folks who post here just don't appreciate the sport. Possibly a lot of casual observers who rather pop shit at the next man's opinion rather than offer an unbiased critique...also sure that the amount of hyping and bandwagon jumping that goes on breeds contempt. It;s just like when you go to the fights, there are a bunch of cats who don't know much about the sport drunkenly yelling, and screaming nonsense based on anything but an insight of the fight game, along with those who know boxing & the fighters and are yelling instruction to them, sitting next to or standing in front of the people who wish everyone would shut up and let them enjoy the fight...:boxing:
Shane landed the harder shots using his newer, "big puncher" style that he first tried out in the Forrest rematch but Oscar controlled the action with his jab and hooking off it all night. He also moved better (generalship) and exhibited better defense that night. It was a terrible decision and all of us watching were pulling for Shane... we were silent before the cards were read and Shane's biggest fan was whispering that he should prolly retire... when we heard the decision we were shocked and outraged at that bullshit and talked about it all week... I remember Bob Jackson saying in the gym the following Monday "That that was a plain *ss whooping and that those judges should be fired." Nobody disagreed.
yeah, Marquez's record is good; Meldrick Taylor, I'll concede that he was better than the guys he lost to post Chavez, so those losses might fool some ppl. Carson Jones is still young so he could turn things around & Glen Johnson is a good example. I'd also like to add Shamir Reyes to the list, who turned pro at like 16, I think. Shady/inexperienced management plays a big part in most of those guys' careers.
You're right, having the same arm length as Wladimir Klitschko (26") doesn't help him in the slightest.
...not as much as having the speed & reflexes to catch the charging Hatton with lead rights all night and the check hooks; as well as having the smarts to keep Hatton from gaining his wrestling advantage by placing his forearm in his throat when he attempted it... His reach would have been more of an advantage if he used a long jab to keep Hatton at bay but Floyd didn't fight that way, did he? Besides the smart jab to the body, he didn't use it that much at all, instead he countered, which meant Hatton was already in punching range for both of them, eluded shots and caught him coming in to break his rhythm, frustrate, tire him & knock him out...:boxing:
I just rewatched this fight and I scored it 115-113 De La Hoya, but it was a lot different then ledderman's card, which I found very whacky.
Rounds I gave to Shane: 5, 7, 9, 10, 11
Rounds 3 and 8 were somewhat close, but I thought De la Hoya edged them mostly due to Shane's inactivity and De La Hoya landing cleaner shots. People make this out as a horrible robbery, but in all honesty it was a close fight and if Mosley's corner had actually given him useful advice, I think Shane would have won it. I thought De La Hoya won it in the end, but I'm not all that convinced either man truly won. If that fight was ruled a draw, I wouldn't have argued it.
I've always said that people watching fights that Harold Lederman does should just tune him out because he confuses a lot of casual observers... Btw Oscar boxed Shane's ears off that night!!!
Still, if you are fighting for a junior welterweight championship, it should be fought at 140 pounds. That's how I look at it.
To me if you fight in the division for a title, thats the division you're in. Mayweather showed that he could be competitive with welterweights and beat them. He was a welterweight.
I've never been convinced that Hatton was a true welterweight.
I agree with you on that (Hatton not a welterweight, truly) but it's Floyd's skill level, not his size that allows him to be competitive against bigger guys as it is with all/most fighters of a certain Class and that's the reason Hatton has a good chance of beating Pac (skill level is pretty close).
Zags definitely. I can appreciate the way he adjusts to neutralize most of his opponents strengths, however limited they might be. The fact that he does it without having dynamite in his fists is even more impressive... Tarver is good but he's always bitching about no one recognizing his subtle boxing cleverness, greatness, yada, yada...what the fuck ever, just fucking fight...
Yeah that James Toney shit doesn't make any sense. Even at cruiser he was chubby. He's one of my favorites of all time and I think he cheats himself and us by not being in top shape. Imagine him being able to fight consistently for 12 rounds with these guys. He'd probably be like 178 in top shape, I guess. Run, muthaphucka, Run!!!!!!
the guy who fought Prince Naseem and had mock bullets make his silouette in the canvas behind him is my favorite. sux I can't remember the dude's name... The funniest would have to be Gatti's when he fought Floyd, that thunder cannon startled the shit out of him, lol, he couldn't play that shit off!
I think Lewis, on top of his game could possibly have beat Ali. We know Ali was much quicker on his feet and with his hands but his bad tendencies like pulling his head back with his hands down would definitely leave him open to Lewis' long, quick, hard jab and set up that crushing right hand. Ali wasn't a power puncher but if he could unleash one of those quick counters (ala Sonny Liston) he might drop Lewis who doesn't have the best chin. However, note that whenever properly prepared and motivated, Lewis put on a clinic on how a big heavyweight should box and at the end of hard fought bout, I think, he would be patient, smart, big, strong and skilled enough to beat Ali.:boxing:
Tito is levels above Pwill. Get real people.
levels??? The only thing you could accurately speak on concerning levels between PW and Tito is the amount of top fighters they have faced at WW. Tito fought and beat more top welters true, but a big factor in that is the availability of people who would fight. All of the top WW at that time thought they had a chance of beating Tito and thus fought him, very few of the top WW now will even give PW the shot. So what are you basing your statement on?:boxing:
harder? Jackson hands down. If he landed clean you were done, can you say Terrible Terry? The Hitman was the best puncher of the three but Tito had the best two-fisted power and definitely ruined the most pros because he punished them:boxing: over a number of rounds...
thats a great question//thats probally one of the reasons they spit the water out most of the time// it would be fucked up to have to shit and take a body shot//guess you'd either have to quit or fight on with your trunks full of shit
LMAO. It reminds of a trainer I had in the amateurs who said it happened to him.
He was fighting and had diarrhea & couldn't hold it. He let loose and finished the fight!!!!! He said the opponent and ref were all asking what the hell that smell was!!1 But he claims he won... If you can fight, finish the fight!:boxing: shout out to RRT!!!
It's definitely a fight I think PW could win a really close decision by outhustling Tito. Getting off first and tying him up would go a long ways towards frustrating Tito. The long reach does come into play; (btw when PW used his reach properly and kept Quintana on the end of his shots he ended it in 1 round.) but Tito was really aggressive and relentless at 147. However, a stiff jab and straight along with plenty of angle and holding when in close could get PW the win. His chin could hold up as Tito wasn't kayoing world class fighters with 1 punch. The question was could he & I think PW could...:boxing: