Skilled Fighters with terrible records...

Fritzie Zivic had 65 losses, more than most of today's boxers have fights. Glen Johnson does not have a terrible record but he dropped a lot of close decisions after losing to Hopkins. Saoul Mamby lost a lot of fights but he fought all of them, won the WBC light welterweight title and was only stopped once at nearly 50 years of age.

he's right. a couple of losses does not make a bad record. What I meant was for posters to list fighters with records that don't indicate how skilled they actually are... Thanks for pointing out Figueroa, I had never seen him before. Very bizarre that he didn't go further, looked skilled. Pipino Cuevas didn't have a great record, but he's one of the all time best welterweights. 35-15 (31), but he made 10 title defenses of the WBA welter strap before he bumped into hearns. He was 10-0 (9) in those defenses. He broke the jaws of Harold Weston, Angel Espada and Scott Clark. Won the title at age 18.

Wtf are you guys talking about? Since when do Marquez, Johnson, Soto or Phillips have terrible records? A bunch of losses, sure, but each guy has over 40 wins for fucks sake! 44-7 is not a terrible record at all. Its an excellent one. he's right. a couple of losses does not make a bad record. What I meant was for posters to list fighters with records that don't indicate how skilled they actually are...

Wtf are you guys talking about? Since when do Marquez, Johnson, Soto or Phillips have terrible records? A bunch of losses, sure, but each guy has over 40 wins for fucks sake! 44-7 is not a terrible record at all. Its an excellent one.

yeah, Marquez's record is good; Meldrick Taylor, I'll concede that he was better than the guys he lost to post Chavez, so those losses might fool some ppl. Carson Jones is still young so he could turn things around & Glen Johnson is a good example. I'd also like to add Shamir Reyes to the list, who turned pro at like 16, I think. Shady/inexperienced management plays a big part in most of those guys' careers.

Marquez is getting there, he's been robbed a few times he deserved at least a draw with Pacquiao in their second match, and he beat Chris John. I wouldn't say he was robbed in the 2nd Pacquiao fight. I had Pac winning, and even if it could be a draw or even a marquez win, that doesn't mean he was ROBBED. It means he should stop getting knocked down.. Besides Marquez is far from a terrible record.

Marquez is getting there, he's been robbed a few times he deserved at least a draw with Pacquiao in their second match, and he beat Chris John.

meldrick taylor

Verno Phillips, Humberto Soto

Emanual Agustus is a good one and i agree there. Another one would have to be Terry Norris. His record wasn't actually horrible, but in some fights he would get disqualified for doing stupid things like hitting below the belt or after the bell. Very weird considering they were fights that he was winning easily. His opponent that he was fighting has to go down as the only fighter to ever to both win the title and defend it on disqualifcation. Glen Johnson and Carson Jones are other names that comes to mind. Their managment did a horrible job becuase they often took fights on short notice when they were not prepared.

Can be anyone you know or have watched whose fight record doesn't match up with their skill set. Give their records and details (the more obscure the better)...ex: 1. Emanuel Augustus 38-29 and 6 draws 73 fights, stopped 3 times. We all know about him, outside of JLC, gave P4P great, Floyd Mayweather, his toughest fight to date. Good all around skills, great defense... 2. Joseph "PoP" Figueroa aka "Trouble" 9-49 and 5 draws 63 fights, only been stopped 1 time... why? Because he's probably the best defensive fighter you never heard of. No exaggeration... I don't know why he doesn't win fights but skills definitely ain't the problem!!! Close decision losses to world champions Nate Campbell, Kennedy Mckinney and Tracy Patterson... :boxing: Glen Johnson