Jermain never looked like a world beater though. His marquee wins vs. Hopkins were disputable, not complete destruction like Ward-Kessler. I think Ward should be the favorite in the tournament and could go undefeated.
I also think he would smack Chad Dawson right now. Dawson is a bum who fights in spurts and tires late. Andre is just as quick and would whoop that kid.
Say he wins the super six, fights and beats Pavlik and P Will, and eventually fights Chad Dawson and obviously whoops him, I think he would be well on his way to cracking top 100 all time in the lower end. I really see him as a favorite in all those fights except maybe AA in the super six...
The reason is simple.
Its because his head outgrew his body.
As a matter of fact he doesn't have a body, his body is actually a visual representation created by his melon head.
Mayweather and Cotto are good fighters. Valuev sucks. Holyfield beat him, Haye will also if his chin holds up and he doesn't get caught with anything stupid.
I think Ward beats Froch and I think Kessler beats Froch is he isn't rusty. You act as if he has some super defense/style that no one can figure out how to crack almost like Winky in his prime. That isn't the case.
Believe me your boy is on his way to an L soon. I like him, he is a good fighter and he has his strong points, but he is slow and he definitely is no Prime Winky or Mayweather in there.
If they test Mayweather and Pacquiao at the same times like both at 12am, both at 8pm, etc, etc. I don't see what the big deal is.
Not sure if they do it that way though. I could see it being an advantage if they only tested Pac right before the fight and not Money May.
Either than that, Pac seems legit in the video and has tatts. Im starting to think the kid has been eating more than rice as Roach says.
Haye outboxes Vitali and later gets KOed by Wladimir.
Devon Alexander beats Tim Bradley by UD, emerging as a new star in boxing.
Paul Williams loses to Winky Wright.
Oscar fights some bum and tries to get a rematch with Pac.
Abraham KOs Pavlik.
Dawson can't find a big fight so he fights and loses to Travoris Cloud.
Young Prospects Juan Manuel Lopez, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Kirkland and Gamboa all continue to rise...Old Legends Mosley, De La Hoya, and Roy Jones all retire. Holyfield continues fighting though, but in 09 changes his name to Evan Fields...
It depends which Wlad you are talking about. If you are talking about the mentally weak Wlad who lost to Lamon, then a lot of fighters Ali fought beat him. If you are talking about today's Wlad then I don't think any of them beat him.
The only three fighters that have a shot against the Klitschkos are Foreman Holmes and Liston (with his long reach).
Holmes has the best chance being around 6'3 with legendary hw boxing skills but I still don't see him beating either due to their sheer size.
Foreman could bomb out either one, but I don't see him landing that cleanly.
As for Liston, I think both Bros. KO him.
Face it guys, the K Bros. are pretty damn insane. They are true genetic specimens.
Beat a prime Hopkins and prime Toney. Also won a heavyweight trinket by defeating John Ruiz.
That is generally not the biggest accomplishment, but when you take into consideration that he started at middleweight it makes it much more defining.
It is unfortunate that he didn't have any great American rivals to challenge him as he refused (for good reasons) to go overseas.
Superb talent in a weak era. Imagine if he had locked down MW. He would have probably had multiple wins on Hops, a win on a prime Trinidad, and maybe even a win on Oscar. With a win on Oscar he could have become the biggest superstar in boxing and maybe, although it is quite the stretch, fought Mayweather at 160 with Mayweather attempting to gain Roy's status. Not sure if he could have stayed skinny like Hops all those years though.
I give Roy a B+ for his two great wins vs. Hops and Toney.
Abregu is a legit WW and I thought Bradley looked good. I thought it was a very dangerous fight for him when that fight was made and was impressed with his performance.
I think the Abregu that Bradley fought beats the Mosley Pac fought and the Marquez that Pac fought (due to size and power but I still respect Marquez's crazy skills).
I think Bradley has a chance to beat Pac in this fight. Bradley has crazy fast hands, but his chin is suspect. If Pac doesn't spark him out or hurt him every other round I can see Bradley winning a decision.
I am personally excited for this fight although I am much more excited for May-Cotto. At least these two clowns are fighting people. I'd rather see Pac-Bradley than see Pac-Marquez IV and see Marquez get robbed of a victory.
That is all.
Roy was having an easy time against Denis Lebedev right up to those last 20 seconds or so when he got clocked...otherwise he was on his way to UD and he isn't really even a cruiserweight...he looked soft and bloated at CW.
Don't write him off just because he got caught...one punch can change everything in boxing. He will never be the RRJ of old...but he still has some interesting fights to be made if he so chooses.
No disrespect to Roy, but I think Lebedev was carrying him. That or Lebedev sucks more than I can imagine for a fighter in his prime. When Lebedev got serious for 15 seconds we saw what happened. I still think Roy wins and can be competitive with B- fighters. I wouldn't mind seeing him go for some Foreman-type comeback and then going for another shot at a trinket.
The fighters of the past that I think are remembered are Ali, Tyson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Hagler.
It's funny, DLH has been retired for only 3 years and I feel he has already been forgotten.
I think the fighters of today that will be remembered are V Klitschko, B Hops, Mayweather and Pacquiao (in that order).
V Klitschko is one of the most dominant heavies stats-wise of all time. I think he might be number 1 actually.
I dislike the word 'overrate', since it really depends who youre talking to.
I think more or less hes rated fairly though. His best wins over Pavlik and Williams are looking less impressive day by day, and even his secondary wins like Cintron and Dzin are starting to take hits.
that being said, his natural talent makes him clearly the best at 154/160 currently, even though as a middleweight champ I honestly dont think hes exactly standout impressive considering the previous depth of the division.
In today's more or less shallow boxing world, hes still a top 5 p4p fighter.
This is exactly how I feel. As far as who can beat him, I think Golovkin or a returning Arthur Abraham (to 160) could do it.
Good gracious P Willie was overhyped. I bought into it also so I can't blame anyone else.
"It doesn't hurt!"
"Does it hurt?!" (referring to his body punches landing on Cotto)
"You hit like a girl!"
and finally
"The ***** is running!"
If I can find more stuff on the fight, I'll post it here. Margarito said more stuff but sometimes his back is facing the camera. But I'm sure there were several other moments where he was taunting Cotto.
I am seriously becoming a Marg fan. Hope his eye heals.
I was neutral to Cotto before, but now it is becoming dislike because he is taking the Marg win too seriously when he basically fought the same exact way.
He might as well send Pac a portion of his paycheck for helping him beat Marg.
Don't get me wrong, if Marg cheated in the first fight then he deserved the whooping he got. Cotto just shouldnt be acting like he slayed the beast that is Tony Margarito. He didn't.
Riiiiight, because Mosley never stopped Margarito previously right??
Oh Mosley did, there is no denying that. Pacquiao, however, is the one that tomato'd Marg's eye.
It might as well have been Manny Pacquiao staring at Margarito since he's the one who really won the fight for Cotto.
10oz. Everlast gloves, catchweight, Marg's bad eye, I mean seriously.
Imagine what would have happened if that back pedaling midget had his eye messed up from round 3 on.
If Marg cheated in the first fight that taints that fight. This win sucked balls for Cotto and he didn't prove much to me.
Good gracious I hope Chavez ko's Cotto now. As a matter of fact I think he does.
I don't give damn about Margarito but the delusion about this fight sickens me.
Even Ariza said he thought Koncz and Arum were trying to BS Manny into thinking Mayweather negotiations were taking place.
Why would Arum, an astute businessman, work with investors for a fight when he has never EVER done so in his entire career? And why would he try to do so for the biggest fight of all time when he doesn't have experience?
I honestly don't think Arum is going to make the Mayweather fight. As a matter of fact I don't even think Marquez 4 is going to happen. Get ready to see Pac-Bradley, the fight people want to see the least. I'm sure he paid Bradley 1 million for Casamayor based on his market value.
I would like the Froch-Ward winner to move up and fight Hops for the title.
Dawson is an idiot who wasted his chance. In my eyes what he did was just as stupid as what Ortiz did vs. Floyd.
If you were Lamont Peterson, and you love boxing, wouldn't you want to fight the best boxer in the world (FMJ) for a career high payday?
Lamont could move up to 147, fight Floyd, and even if he loses come back down and rematch Amir after. Makes complete sense for Lamont.
I'm gonna go back and re-watch the Bradley Ortiz and Khan fights because I'm pretty damn impressed with this kid right now. If Money can't hurt him it might end up being a decent fight.
I kinda want to see Bradley fight the Berto-Ortiz winner next and then go for Pac or May...
I think Khan is better than Berto. I think Lamont whoops Berto's ass. I do think that Berto, Khan, Lamont, and Bradley are all good fighters with Bradley most likely being the best.
You know whats funny, I just remembered Floyd sucker punching Gatti in the first round of their fight. Was Cortez the ref also? Surprised no one else brought that up...
gif the last few punch ortiz landed on Floyd making him fall onto the ropes.
That's what I was trying to ask for but some of these dudes said it was an "illusion" lol.
Say what you want but Ortiz put up a better fight than Mosley, Marquez and Hatton. Only DLH fought better and he picked the weight and the gloves.
Mayweather and Pacquiao both share a lot of signature wins (DLH, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley). However, what sets Pacquiao's resume above and beyond Floyd's to me are the wins against Clottey and Cotto.
I think resume wise a Floyd win over Ortiz would make Floyd look better than another Pacquiao win against Marquez (a win over someone Mayweather dominated two years ago). If Floyd were to fight say Cotto next, I would really think about giving him the nod over Pacquiao (also depending on who Pacquiao chooses to fight).
But then again, this all could be solved as simply as the two of them meeting in the middle of the ring, for all the marbles, to see who the best really is.