How many fighters on Ali's resume could beat the Klitschkos?

It depends which Wlad you are talking about. If you are talking about the mentally weak Wlad who lost to Lamon, then a lot of fighters Ali fought beat him. If you are talking about today's Wlad then I don't think any of them beat him. The only three fighters that have a shot against the Klitschkos are Foreman Holmes and Liston (with his long reach). Holmes has the best chance being around 6'3 with legendary hw boxing skills but I still don't see him beating either due to their sheer size. Foreman could bomb out either one, but I don't see him landing that cleanly. As for Liston, I think both Bros. KO him. Face it guys, the K Bros. are pretty damn insane. They are true genetic specimens. LOL, dude there is only one Wlad! He is the same punk as always. He just needs to fight someone that comes to win and can fight. Then you will see him in full retreat again, falling all over the place looking like he had to much to drink!

How is Bernard able to beat them now? There's exceptions to the rule but there was nothing in Foreman's comeback to indicate that he could've dealt with the Klitschko's in their current form. You don't realize that while Foreman was large for his time, he is still small by todays standards. Holmes didn't have a significant win after getting annihilated my Tyson in the 80's while he was still in his 30's. Did you miss Holmes vs Mercer? That was significant.

Vitali surrendered his manhood to a midget half his size. 208 lb former supermiddleweight.. Wlad's been down 11 times, more than twice as much as Ali so I wont even bother with him... http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5492/wladowned.gif

It depends which Wlad you are talking about. If you are talking about the mentally weak Wlad who lost to Lamon, then a lot of fighters Ali fought beat him. If you are talking about today's Wlad then I don't think any of them beat him. The only three fighters that have a shot against the Klitschkos are Foreman Holmes and Liston (with his long reach). Holmes has the best chance being around 6'3 with legendary hw boxing skills but I still don't see him beating either due to their sheer size. Foreman could bomb out either one, but I don't see him landing that cleanly. As for Liston, I think both Bros. KO him. Face it guys, the K Bros. are pretty damn insane. They are true genetic specimens.

Thanks for the videos...I've really never seen or heard of these fights before. :bigeyes:

Old FAT LEWIS WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THE KO, AND HE GOT IT! What would a young Lewis have done to him! Below you see Bird out boxing him in spots, the only advantage over bird was size and strength. these dudes boxing is not that good, they get away with **** cause of thier size. Against real Amercan heavies like those I listed earlier would have ko'ed both brothers on the same night.

Every big guy that they fought either gave them alot of trouble of defeated them! His heart is in question do to the quiting on the stool. The youngest brother has absolutely no heart at all, thats already been proven twice. Dude...no, absolutely no...just stop. :nonono:

I think Foreman and Holmes would definitely beat Wladimir. Shavers would have a good punchers chance against Wladimir also. I think Holmes would beat Vitali but it would be close. I don't see any other guys beating Vitali though.

I agree Frazier in particular had a ton of heart and would have tried until his inevitable demise. That said, he doesn't have any more heart than say, Miguel Cotto who was also still FORCED to quit against Marg and Pacman. That would be the difference. He may want to continue, but the Klitschko's are too big and have way too diverse of a skill set to lose in that era. Ali is the only one who could beat them and that would be by cuts or outboxing them. I will honestly say this: Ali is the only heavyweight ever who I would say is even close to 50/50 when it comes to sheerly outboxing the current Wladimir or Vitali. #1 Klitschko's are not that good of boxers. Its more of thier size advantage that makes them dominate. Every big guy that they fought either gave them alot of trouble of defeated them! Thier skills are averge, as soon as a young big strong boxer with skill and good condition comes along the K. brothers will loose again. Vatali is the better of the two brothers based on his chin and durabilty. His heart is in question do to the quiting on the stool. The youngest brother has absolutely no heart at all, thats already been proven twice.

To answer the thread topic's question. NONE. Yeah because Ali's opponents were inferior to ATG's Purrity,Byrd,Sanders,Brewster ...

So according to you, getting knocked down by Henry Cooper and winning the fight is a sign of Ali's greatness, but getting knocked down by hard-hitting Sam Peter three times and STILL winning the fight on all three scorecards is not much of an accomplishment, right? Damn, and you call Klitschko fans stupid. What irony. Ali was 21 years old with 18 pro fights.I know you Kits nuthuggers choose to overlook that fact. The point is that Ali got up and won the fight.The fact that you are comparing Wlads chin to Ali's is my case and point that you are stupid .

I agree Frazier in particular had a ton of heart and would have tried until his inevitable demise. That said, he doesn't have any more heart than say, Miguel Cotto who was also still FORCED to quit against Marg and Pacman. That would be the difference. He may want to continue, but the Klitschko's are too big and have way too diverse of a skill set to lose in that era. Ali is the only one who could beat them and that would be by cuts or outboxing them. I will honestly say this: Ali is the only heavyweight ever who I would say is even close to 50/50 when it comes to sheerly outboxing the current Wladimir or Vitali. No man could force Frazier to quit, he wanted to continue after Foreman had been bouncing him around the ring and after that war with Ali in the searing heat in Manilla he STILL wanted more... If u believe Klitchko would beat him then while i disagree its fair enough but if u think Klitchko throwing out arm punches and jab after jab is gonna deter Smokin Joe Frazier then i assure you u are wrong. Im not one of these guys who hate on the Klitchko boys and refuse to rate them - they are top class, but i cant get down with your post this time dude

He was also knocked down three times in that fight. Wlad's chin is not comparable to Ali's It's unbelievable how stupid some Klitschko fans are. So according to you, getting knocked down by Henry Cooper and winning the fight is a sign of Ali's greatness, but getting knocked down by hard-hitting Sam Peter three times and STILL winning the fight on all three scorecards is not much of an accomplishment, right? Damn, and you call Klitschko fans stupid. What irony.

Losing on cuts is a TKO, but while the 70's heavyweights were tough, they were also smaller and therefore wouldn't be as durable in today's division. The Klitschko's would've dominated at that time as well while battling with Ali, etc. They had more heart and wouldnt just quit on themselves as easily as todays lads though and im not sure id say the Heavys of today are more durable, Frazier was a little guy and while Foreman swamped him he was as durable as hell, Ali himself was super solid and durable in phase two of his career, Larry Holmes, Tex Cobb, George Chuvalo ect... Just coz guys are sucking up what the Klitchko's are dishing out dont make them super durable, Briggs a big man, took a hell of a beating and stood up to it yet couldnt back in the 90's vs Lewis for example

Losing on cuts is a TKO, but while the 70's heavyweights were tough, they were also smaller and therefore wouldn't be as durable in today's division. The Klitschko's would've dominated at that time as well while battling with Ali, etc. Guys like Frazier were in tremendous shape, the guy went 14 rounds in a war with Ali in 107 degree weather with nearly 100 percent humidity these guys were in phenomenal shape. Just because they weren't 240lbs doesn't mean they'd be man handled, most guys today are nothing but fat and that fat doesn't help them at all.

Losing on cuts is a TKO, but while the 70's heavyweights were tough, they were also smaller and therefore wouldn't be as durable in today's division. The Klitschko's would've dominated at that time as well while battling with Ali, etc. If that's the case how did Foreman and Holmes beat top fighters in their 40s and well past their primes?

Frazier was way too one dimensional and small to compete with the current Klitschko's I'm afraid. Chris Byrd would disagree with you.

frazer would kill both of em I think he would knock out wlad but Vitali would last the distance.

I pretty much agree with this. Klitschkos are good but they can be beaten. They aren't spectacular, just have mastered the fundamentals. Vitali wouldn't get knocked out however. No way, no how. I also believe Vitali could beat all those guys as well. Out of 3 fights, Vitali would win at least 1. I don't think they would have even been in the elite group,not to mention champions! After seeing the guys that both brothers have lost to, is reason enough. When ever there was a real challenge against both Klitscho Bros, they lost. They are lucky to be in this era. Most all heavyweights of today are fat and out of shape, only looking for a big payday. Chris bird was small and he gave Vitali enough problems to make him quit on the stool. The younger bro is straight garbage, he has no heart. Brewster,and sanders stood up to the bully and ko'ed him. Their K . brothers size and the attitude of todays Heavyweight is what makes them standout. Lennox lewis was fat old and had one foot out the door, and he almost killed Vitali. Imagine Lennox Lewis being in his prime and in shape, he was big and aggressive and would not back down, he came to KO you in every fight, the way a big man suppose to fight. Ali fought with a broken Jaw,Frazier broken ribbs,Ali even fought blind for two rounds in a major heavy weight fight against the Bear. Ken norton,Joe frasier,Ali,Sonny Liston,Leon spinks,Larry holms,Earnie Shavers,Ron Lyle, George Foreman,Floyd Patterson, Oscar Bonavena, Jerry Quarry, Archie Moore, and Bob Foster would have been to much for either K. brother. Why you guy going back so far. The late eighties through he late 90s would have been to much for the K. brothers. A young Holyfield, Tyson,Tua, Ibeabuci , Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Larry Holmes, Michael Moorer, Frank Bruno, Andrew Golota, Donovan Ruddock, Oliver McCall, and Tony Tucker. These guys would have demolished the K. brothers with ease. They were hard bodies and in shape. They came to win, and they tried in every fight to knock thier opponant out. They were mean from the streets and fearless. K. brothers should not even be mention as an ATG or ever compared to being the best.

He was also knocked down three times in that fight. Wlad's chin is not comparable to Ali's It's unbelievable how stupid some Klitschko fans are. Not to mention, in the later stages of Ali's career he didn't go down against Shavers or Foreman.