What frustrated me most about Mayweather was that I always thought that he would handled Cotto quite easily and before he retired I felt that was the 2nd biggest fight he could have had beside a Delahoya rematch which nobody wanted to see. Cotto was never a defensive fighter and was susceptible to uppercuts which I saw way before Margarito capitalized on it. Let's all remember despite the fact if Margarito's gloves were loaded or not he quite possibly is the slowest welterweight yet had little trouble hitting Cotto repeatedly with uppercuts. I was shocked at how long it took fighters to realize that. With Floyd's boxing IQ he definitely would have capitalized on this and outboxed possibly stop Cotto late.
lol you guys complain so much about judges but THANK GOD no one on this site is a judge...9-3 or 10-2 floyd, complete domination...sorry i don't give points for ineffective aggression and blocked punches but jlc couldn't find floyd the entire fight...this fight was almost exactly the same as the hatton fight and dumbasses like the previous posters and harold lederman thought that fight was close when it was stopped yet the real judges and me had it 8-1 floyd...same as the jlc fight, haters say jlc won but it wasn't even a close fight
What he said. I guess I and anyone who thinks Floyd won are going to get lambasted on this but I had it 116-112. (115-113 if I want to be extra generous) for Floyd. If I remember it correctly I don't think I gave Castillo a round until the 6th. He pressured Floyd late but gave up to many early rounds. Like the gentleman said, Castillo, for the most part ineffective in his aggresion and was hit with many jabs and checkhooks as he was coming in including one that buckled his knees before the end of one round. I would suggest watching this fight with the SOUND TURNED OFF and just using your eyes. Too many people are swayed by the commentators and Lederman at times is clueless in scoring fights. Foreman for whatever reason always seemed to be "pulling" for Floyd's opponents (I have all Floyd's fight on DVD)and seemingly started swaying the other commentators to his line of thinking. I had Floyd winning both rounds with the deductions giving him a 10-8 round and a 9-9 round in the round he was deducted a point.
FYI I did give Castillo the championship rounds (11 & 12) which was surprising to me that Floyd got out-fought these crucial rounds if it had been a close fight on the judges scorecards. Castillo did too little, too late for me IMO. I also have this fight on DVD so that might help as well. Some of u might be watching on computer screens.
Another thing that I will be killed for but I guess in an effort to show that I am unbiased is that I scored Floyd-Oscar a draw. Floyd seems to get caught up in the moment and did not let his hands go enough also Oscar blocked a good amount of his shots. Was it the enormity of the fight, the gloves he was unaccustomed to, the extra weight? Who knows, all I know Floyd wasn't in top form in the fight and I had to give Oscar the rounds where Floyd just let Oscar pound on his body. You are now free to kill me LOL
If I do that again all I will see is three losses by the Pacman no hating!!!!!! Yes he has improved significantly but imo he was outboxed by Morales first fight and in BOTH Marquez fights. Honest question: I never heard of Pac having problems making weight at 130 till after the quick jump up to JW and now welterweight. How much did Pac's difficulty with Marquez and the public's clamoring for a third fight influence Pac to keep going up in weight???? If u remember Marquez was putting a lot of pressure on Pac for a 3rd fight even traveling out to the Phillipines to demand a fight. At the time it looked to me he kept going up in weight to a weight that Marquez couldn't go up to. Do remember Marqwuez started going up right when Manny fought DIaz.
Don't really feel sorry for him..... like people have said he knows the risks involved and on top of that he is well compensated. To me he has been overrated, he is solid but since the Corley fight I saw the holes in his game. HBO and overanxious fans built him up to be some sort of a terminator-like human wrecking ball when he wasn't. Then he was to be the one who would beat Mayweather and that Mayweather was ducking him where anyone with sense would know Floyd easily outboxes him. He has got a strong resume but he had quite a few "controversial" decisions at his second home in MSG
Lewis was a skilled boxer couple that with his size and power he would have been dangerous in ANY era. After he beat Mike Tyson which was very big on his to do list once he became champ mentally he was no longer all there as a fighter. He lost that hunger and Steward has remarked that he no longer wanted to do the necessary training. At that point he was just fighting for the money at that point. People tend to either forget or overlook the fact that Lewis was scheduled to fight some non threatening "contender" (can't remember the name) who pulled out with an injury when he accepted the fight with Vitali. He didn't have to accept the fight but he did. Now granted he should have been in shape regardless of who he was fighting but most people would not train as hard for someone who they know poses no threat. Even with him being out of shape he absolutely dismantled Vitali's face and hit him with an uppercut that I am still not sure how Vitali wasn't either beheaded or not a vegetable right now. I think he realized after that fight that he was lucky to get the win and that his heart wasn't in it anymore. He suffers from not being the "legendary" Mike Tyson or American and if not for the completely pathetic heavyweight landscape right now he would be even less appreciated than he is right now.
Personally I got nothing wrong with him but I can see people having problems with a seemingly sometimes crude, brash, "Jersey Shore/Brooklyn guido-type guy who talks big but couldn't crack an egg with a 1000 punch combo. First time I really heard of him was when he was going to fight Cotto and he was going on and on on a show on MSG about how he was going to beat Cotto to the point where I was starting to believe Lol. Then I watched as Cotto literally beat him to a pulp. Same yacking pre Hatton with nearly the the same result. Like someone said he comes up short in the big fights and although "slick" all he really has is a slightly above average left jab. If Judah or a Juarez can get umpteen opportunities at title shots Malinaggi's big mouth alone can keep him in the picture for a while
I have been rewatching PBF v Judah, Oscar, JMM and Hatton. It may be a fight aside from those, but what do you think is PBF's best performance?
Of the lot, I think the Oscar performance was awesome, against a bigger guy with years at the higher weight, still good etc.
I can't believe u said Oscar-Floyd! That was a terrible fight and one of the few moments where it looked like the moment overwhelmed Floyd. He didn't really get into a rhythm till late in the fight and just didn't look sharp. Even when he stepped up the attack Oscar bloxked a good deal of his punches. Floyd would probably say the same that he wasn't on top of his game that night.
His best performance offensively was probably against Gatti, he just had everything working and was extrememly offensive from the get go. He usually doesn't turn it on until he sees a guy hurt but in the Gatti fight he was on a mission from the opening bell. I believe it was his first PPV and he wanted to put on a show which he absolutely did.
I think the Ndou fight might be a close second because Ndou was a liver dog in there and more offensive. Gatti as most said was literally a punching bag thay night. People don't realize Ndou had 30 KOs of his 31 wins at that point if memory serves me correctly. Watch how Floyd brilliantly countered Ndou's lazy jab all fight long and then ended it with 3 brilliant straight rights. Another nugget for ya: Ndou retired 1 fight later with like brain damage or something.
Haven't scrolled through all the messages because I aint in the mood to decipher the fighting between Floyd and Pac fans. Has anyone verified if this is legitimate or not? Floyd says crazy stuff but some stuff was out of character namely even bringing up HGH which he has not to date. 30 mins of action in boxing= 10 rounds. I am assuming someone caught that by now
To HL: I gotta tell ya (lol) u got some stones to do anything remotely associated with Alexander. Makes your card that night even look more suspect. Speaking of your card, it was one of your worst cards in recent memory (and you have had some doosies) and you should be embarrassed. Do you need corrective lenses or have you considered a lasik procedure? You seem to think punches hitting gloves are score worthy. My final question is: Have you returned to solid foods yet? Your throat must have extremely sore from all the cock gobbling you did that night on Alexander.
To DA: You should be glad that fight was in your hometown and that Kotelnik wasn't aggressive enough. You fight like that against Bradley and you will experience a category 5 super hurricane f**k a Desert Storm azz whooping. What can you do to prove that you are not just another exposed hypejob and how did it feel to be verbally fellated by HL that night? Also how can you look yourself in the mirror and feel that you clearly won that fight or at least offer Kotelnik a rematch? Also why do you scream when you throw your punches? (I find it annoying) and why do you look like a black Avatar?
(I'm African-American so don't come with that I am a racist sh*t)
Hopkins, as some have already said, sees some things in Pascal that he feels he can exploit. He JUMPED at the opportunity to fight in Pascal's hometown even though B-hop is far and away the bigger name of the two. I trust the wily veteran looking to redeem himself after his putrid performance against RJjr. Now sooner or later Hopkins is going to get old in the ring since he doesn't seem to know when to hang them up. However, I think the old sage in the ring gives the younger, stronger fighter a boxing lesson. Pascal (although I didn't see the fight) lost to Froch for Pete's sake who I rank as one of the least-skilled (former) title holder in my recent memory. We'll see maybe I'm wrong which I wouldn't mind either since I'm not really a fan of Hopkins and think he should have called it a career years ago.
It's a lot harder to go down in weight than to come up. No way do I see Foreman trying to drain himself to fight Malinaggi. Now would be he kill himself to go down to 147 to fight Pac or a Floyd and 147???? Who wouldn't with the money you can make fighting these two. There is a reason Paul Williams is willing to go down to 147 to fight those two even though it has been years now since he has been down there. Back to the fight, there is very little appeal to a fight where the chance of a KO is virtually nil and while Malinaggi is extremely charismatic when it comes to selling a fight his opponent is the polar opposite and people may have worn thin of Paulie's big talk, small performance in the ring. I have come up with a name for this fight if it was ever to come to fruition: Pillow Punching Power or Pugilists which ever floats your boat.
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Shane was desperate for payday and only way he can get a fight if he is not allowed to throw punches.
BOxing fans can see it that he was paid to not throw punches
So you are essentially saying that if Shane was to beat Mayweather he wouldn't have gotten paid???? No one would want to fight him after he beats Floyd and his career would have been over????? Well, I guess, if you truly believe that then there is no convincing you.
Anyway to the TS by that same logic I can say after watching Pac's last "fight" with Clottey that Clottey couldn't miss the few times he did let his hands go. By that logic the most accurate puncher in the history of Compubox should easily get to Manny. I am not saying that but I am just saying that we can't assume a prior event can automatically predict a future event. Styles makes fight this we all know.
That fight was staged.
Mosley accidently hit Floyd hard with slap and Floyd was completly out.
Its unreal that he didnt want to finish him and he had 1 minute left.
Floyd was out,even 1 more jab would put him down.
I have seen on numerous occasions on this website about the possibility of this fight being staged. I think it is about time that this absurdity gets addressed. Let's think about this logically from Shane's shoes. How much money would somebody have to pay you for you to lose a fight where you are nearing the end of your career where you are trying to maximize the amount of money you can earn before you hang them up. If Shane was to have won that fight he could have easily TRIPLED what he got for the first Mayweather fight in either a rematch with Floyd and/or a superfight with Pacquiao. Think also about what it could have done to further enhance his legacy to have beaten one of his eras best fighters CLEAN (after undergoing Olympic style blood testing) nobody would have been able to question his fighting ability anymore. Add to that with a seemingly messy divorce on tap Shane had ALL the incentive to beat Floyd that night. For anyone to think that Shane and anyone in his camp (you think Brother Nasim was in the bag too?) allowed him to be outclassed in such a manner willingly with his son ringside borders on sheer stupidity to me.
There were times where Cotto felt Shane's power TS go rewatch the fight especially round 10 I believe it was when Shane hit him with an right sending Cotto to the ropes and the ref stepped it to suddenly request a stoppage in time to clean up water giving Cotto time to recover. Cotto would then go on to get a nice hometown decision in some people eyes. Cotto won a close decision that some had him losing while Mayweather completely dominated Mosley so what is TS point. Cotto has been hurt in a lot more fights to lesser punchers than Floyd so I think this is a bad comparison IMO.
EDIT: Didn't read any of the posts and am now seeing that someone already posted round 10 of Cotto-Mosley
I think it was the 10th round where Mosley got hit with a right hookercut to the body and he was HURT
Yeah with 40 seconds left in 10th round. Sky Sports feed acknowledged it, HBO feed= crickets, then continued on dissing Mayweather and blobbing about Pacquiao fight. HBO's commentary namely :peeright: Lampley is getting so biased now it is ridiculous you can tell where the rooting interests are and that is a capital no-no in sportscasting. You are supposed to be objective even if you are the house announcer for your local sports team.
Real talk, putting aside the usual excuse of Marquez weight or Mosley's age Floyd fought 2 bonafide, sure fire Hall of Famers while Cotto and Clottey are solid fighters. In terms of boxing skill and experience it is a total wipeout when comparing opponents.
SERIOUSLY, Sky Sports commentators > HBO that night. In the bold, 1st thing I noticed.
Sky Sports were waxing a little too poetic about Floyd for my liking but as they would say it was a masterful, brilliant performance by Floyd lol. They also were more informative about the dialogue between Shane and Brother Naazim.
TS is forgetting a few key things 1) Zab and Chop-Chop were southpaws and 2) Floyd did not respect their power. Floyd fights a lot more cautiously when the risk is higher. He knows what type of fighter Shane is with his speed and power and will fight accordingly. I look for Floyd to stick and move, counter-attack and get out. You won't see too many heated exchanges maybe near the end of rounds but that's about it. Unless Mosley suddenly improved his footwork/speed in camp I can see this fight being not too action-packed. Hopefully I'm wrong. Be interesting to see if Mosley switches southpaw on Floyd which I doubt he was not done much of in his career.
If anybody thinks those are actually Pacman's actual words they have got to be kidding themselves. We all know Pacquiao is not fluent enough to make these statements even if they are prepared. This is a continuation of his people making statements for him or loosely translating his own words with their own touch to it. Pacman doesn't talk trash: case in point after the negotiations failed you had Pacquiao making "statements" calling a "coward" and to face him in the ring etc but when interviewed in his own words its "well......uhhhh I don't think he wants to fight or a myriad of other lame excuses as to why the fight did not happen. All the masculine bravado in prior "Pacman quotes" are gone. The problem with the Pac-Mayweather negotiations and subsequent fallout is that in Manny's camp he has too many people speaking on his behalf making contradictory statements that just make him look bad in the end.
They would have to beat the other (Pac beat Floyd or Floyd beat Pac) then hop in a time machine and beat a prime Sugar Ray Robinson to be considered GOAT imo
Bradley is a feather fisted fa*ggot, not to mention a huge fukkin head.
I really don't like him, and Maidana will end him.
Nate Campbell is that You???? Lol
The hate is strong in you man!!!!
Froch has big balls, no one will ever deny him that.
Froch's balls > Anyone in super six's balls
Froch's big fat mouth > Anyone in Super Six
Yall know who I am pulling for. If he somehow gets by Kessler (which would cause me to seriously doubt Kessler's boxing ability) Ward, Abraham, Green whoever is up next finishes off whatever's left. F**k this dude.
Oh how convenient! He already has a built in excuse for when he loses. I seriously wish this dude would just shut the f**k up and fight. His injury is probably a sore groin for the non stop hard on he has got for Calzaghe. I don't think I have ever seen a guy obsess about another dude as much plus on top of that Calzaghe is retired! If Direll boxed his ears off (when he engaged him) Calzaghe would have given him a Lacy-like whooping and I don't even like Calzaghe that much. Real talk.
I for one am tiring of Mayweather's antics and it is increasingly harder to proudly say that I am a fan. I know that his a**hole routine helps him sell tickets, pay-per-views etc but it is getting tiresome and making him look ever more the ignorant fool. I feel that this 24/7 with Mayweather has just about run its course. Floyd is bringing nothing new to the table and you can see they are grasping at straws in terms of what to talk about. Case in point, why is Mayweather's security team getting so much face time, or Roger weeding his garden (are you kidding me! smh). The rehashing about certain already discussed topics i.e. Mayweather's father's condition etc. You can see a lot of this stuff is "filler" I think they should cut the 24/7 down to like 1 or 2 hour long shows and that's it. The problem is that most of these boxers are not entertaining at all and have dull personalities. Richardson is almost singlehandlingly keeping this 24/7 series watchable to me.
Mosley was paid to lose!
Mosley basically knocked him out in round 2
Explain to me how he was paid to lose when he could make a HUGE amount more money for winning the fight and then fighting Pacquiao or even a rematch with Mayweather. You sir are a :lame: and a straight up hater.
Hope TS has thick skin because you are going to get killed for this one!!!! Your post is well thought out and you obviously took a good amount of time to express your points. You did however, leave yourself wide open to be labeled a "flomo" when you said Marquez??? Should have drunk Manny's steroid filled piss or something to that effect. Triangle theories don't work on NSB so all the common opponents jargon will be tossed aside and discarded as utter trash by posters to this thread. You have been warned!!!!!
I am tiring of all these anti Pac, anti Floyd threads. Floyd and Pac are the two best fighters in boxing in my opinion. I am more of a fan of Floyd's but I will readily admit Pacman's resume greatly exceeds that of Floyd's in terms of name value, quality opponents etc. whether they were prime, past prime or not and that is just a fact. Pacquiao may have the better resume but I still don't believe him to be the better fighter. Just as easily as you can poke holes in Pacquiao's resume it is perhaps even easier to do so in Floyd's. I will admit Roach has done a terrific job of matchmaking and attempting to give any advantage to Pacquiao that he can when securing these fights. I just want to see these two get it on so we can all see the answer for ourselves.
The Tyson movie is great for recent quotes. Loved his use of the word skullduggery in the movie and him talking about the girl he "raped" and Don King are comedic classics straight comedy gold right there!!
The Iron Sheik would disagree with all of you guys. ( " Rrrrrestling toughest sport in the vorld"!! lol)
This would have been a good thread to have a poll for. I agree that boxing os the tpughest when you factor both the physical and mental stamina required to be successful and the risks involved while enduring blunt force trauma to the face and body, I don't see how anybody could say differently. Many sports taxes the body physically perhaps even for a longer time I.e. tennis, cycling, long distance running swimming etc but in boxing you are being hit as well. Think about it concussions are a huge issue in sports but in boxing a fighter can be concussed multiple times per fight. Imagine fighting with a broken nose, ribs, hands and being expected to continue on. I don't know about you guys but getting slugged in the nose or stomach, liver just once is no picnic. It is no wonder we see how many fighters are irreparably damaged after their careers' are over.
Even in football, field and ice hockey where collisions are expected you are given equipment designed to lessen the blows. I didn't even mention the training involved before an actual fight. I was merely just talking about just the actual fights themselves.
No question Boxing toughest sport!!!!! :boxing:
No. mayweather has the most efficient offense in boxing. pac's offense is overall the best. its pretty effecient, its fast, it comes in bursts, at angles and it's exciting.
that makes it the best essentially.
What he said!!!! I think Floyd is the best boxer in the world when you factor in his offensive and defensive abilities. Manny just tends to overwhelm his opponents with sheer volume, speed and power. His stamina is matched only by Mayweather but Floyd doesn't let his hands go as much.