If somehow the heart, and toughness of Ray Mercer could be grafted onto David Haye, with his speed and athletic talent, that fighter might be the one who could challenge the reign of Klitschko. Haye was not punished really, he didn't want to accept much punishment. Mercer absorbed an incredible pounding. Wladimir looked really good in that one. Merer was immobile enough for Klitschko to unleash wicked shots.
It will play out like Ricky Hatton. Some early success, Floyd will be uncomfortable under the pressure, and then he will move up a few gears and slowly, systematically take Ortiz apart. Possibly even a late quitage(I should copyright that word)/stoppage.
I don't agree with the Ricky Hatton comparison. Ortiz is bigger and stronger than Mayweather whereas Mayweather was bigger and stronger than Hatton. Also I think Hatton was mostly an in-fighter, lacking in boxing skills and with short arms, and Ortiz is a more skilled boxer than Hatton.
I definitely think this fight is much more winnable for Ortiz than the Hatton fight was him. Floyd has not been really tested for so long that too much is being taken for granted.
Haye had one strategy. That is to lash out and try to land the hayemaker. It landed a few times but of those that did, didn't knock out Wlad or get him in bad of shape for Haye to get close and clean up.
The rest of the time he stayed away from danger. He took only a few big shots himself. Haye was not an experienced or scientic enough boxer to know how to get inside of the jab and work from that area. Definitely an anti-climatic outcome. Haye can't say anything now. He didn't deliver on the boasts.
They keep saying Ortiz is green. I don't think it is true. He's been boxing since he was seven. He was an entrant for the Olympics but didn't make it and he turned professional at 17. He's going to be 25 when and if the fight happens. No way he is green. he's been boxing for 18 years. Maybe he doesn't have all of Mayweather's skills but it's not because he is green. It's not like he started boxing at 18 or 20 years of age.
They say he will quit. I doubt it very much. This is the opportunity of a lifetime. He'll go the limit in this one. He only quit against Madaina because he thought better days were ahead and he didn't want to ruin himself for that chance. The time is now with a Mayweather fight. He also received so much criticism from that episode that he is dead certain to never do that again. I don't think Mayweather can punish him enough to make him quit. Did Mayweather make Marquez or Mosley quit, no, and he tried.
Marquez was too small to make a competitive fight and Mosley was too old and was afraid too pull the trigger after the third round. Ortiz is neither. I am definitely pulling for Ortiz. I think Mayweather picked him because he has credibility but Mayweather thinks he has weaknesses to exploit. I hope he he has miscalculated. Mayweather still is scared to fight Pacman and that is transparent.
I don't think this is a mismatch. Adamek definitely has better timing and skills than Arreola. Arreola has a size advantage but he will probably come into the fight overweight and out-of-shape. Adamek will move around better and outbox Arreola. He is a tough mofo himself just from what I have seen and by taking on this challenge. I don't see Arreola blasting him away. I think Adamek wins by decision.
Pacquiao would dominate Mayweather. It would be like what he did to Clottey because Mayweather is a very cautious fighter who would be first concerned about getting hit. Mayweather's fans have him so overrated it is a amusing. Mayweather would run.
It's a fight and flomos are gloating because Pacquiaio took some shots, even though he dominated the fight. Clottey held up his guard all night, and no way was he going to get KOed.
Let's wait for the Mosley fight if Mayweather still shows up. Mayweather will not dominate Mosley anyway nearly as convincing. I think he will lose.
My argument about this is. Yes, it was established there were the ingredients of "Plaster of Paris" but how much of it? How much weight did it have? Was it solid? If you have the ingredients of a brick and it is less than an oz of material and put it inside of a glove, what effect would that have? Probably very little.
For a brick to have a lot of effect, it needs to have a lot of mass, be very hard and probably be outside of any padding. I think people are trying compare this to what Panama Lewis and Resto did when created blocks of plaster of paris on the fighters hands and removed half of the padding in the glove, and I think the Margarito case falls way short of that. That is why I think the suspension was short and that he should be given his credentials to try again.
Ali could be very mean-spirited but he was also very playful and clever. I think Mayweather tries to emulate him in a way, but I never can accept that it is all an act. He wouldn't and couldn't do it so continually if that wasn't who he is.
Ali was more courageous as a fighter, going after the toughest heavyweights of his era and doing what he could do to ensure these fights happened. Whereas PBF throws up roadblocks to fighting strong opponents, like demanding ridiculous and unnecessary testing. Demands that are not his to make from the beginning.
But look at Ali now. His fluent bragging mouth has turned into a muffled mumble. He proud athleticism transformed to a trembling shuffle. I believe in all that metaphysical thing and see a connection. The one who exalts himself will be humbled.
PBF should open up his eyes because it is only a short time before his arrogant hide is knocked off his perch.
Floyd has already said that next time around, his demands will be doubly ridiculous; so, I think there is almost no chance that Floyd would step up and accept the beating he would take from Pacman.
First, he has to get through Mosley and that fight won't look anything like last night. Mosley will probably outwork Floyd, but will the judges favor Floyd?
Dude, you have to let go of your jealousy of Floyd.
So, if Floyd soundly beats Shane, you can't back off your statements. OK? You can't have it both ways.
Jealousy is not the word. The is nothing about Floyd that I would choose to emulate. I don't particulary like him. But I don't think I hate him either. Although you "love" him or like him a lot, I guess.
No my man. I'm definitely not backing off my statements. I have integrity. What will you do, if proven wrong?
If proven wrong ...at what?
You'll forgive me for not recognizing the greatness of your poorly written post where you compared A/B to C/D.
Not to mention that those fights took place at different weight classes.
Using that logic, I can say that Fernando Vargas fought Winky and the margin was much tighter than when Shane fought Winky.
But I recognize that cognitive dissonance isn't within your bandwidth
You don't know what cognitive dissonance means. You're throwing around terms to try to sound intelligent, which you are not. You missed the total point of what I was trying to say. It was like a jet flying over the head of squirrel.
Wrong about WHAT? That is obvious. Wrong about your belief that Floyd will easily dominate the fight. He won't.
So Floyd thinks there is a blueprint to beat Mosley because he has 5 losses. Floyd is talking trash again. Mosley has taken on the tougher challenges by far.
When I first watched the Cotto fight. I thought Mosley won, and was surprised that he didn't bitch about the decision more than he did. So I went back to the fight and watched again, and I am even more convinced that Mosley won that fight. I even think he won with a greater margin of victory than PBF had against DeLahoya. Even though the judges gave it to Cotto on a unanimous decision.
Mosley fought Cotto when he was undefeated and perceived as a very powerful and important welterweight champion. I think the decision was shaded toward Cotto because of that perception.
On the other hand, PBF fought DeLaHoya after he had lost on a TKO to Bernard Hopkins and was perceived to be on the downside of his career.
Mosley stepped up and took on Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright, fighters who were naturally bigger and in Forrest's case, stronger, when these fighters were on a winning streak. He took them on their best. That is what I love about Mosley. He has the integrity to try a fighter at their peak.
Floyd likes to face a fighter coming off a loss or with a size disadvantage. Or he doesn't face them at all. In the last 5-7 years of his career that has been the case.
His fans have been fooled by these transparent tactics.
Mosley has never come close to being dominated by a fighter his size. In fact I would say he has beaten everyone his size, including Cotto. Floyd isn't going to dominate Mosley. I'm glad Floyd and his fans are overconfident. That will make the victory by Mosley even sweeter.
The gay rant is far overused on this site. Everybody trying to prove their own machismo by implying other posters and everyone around the sport is "gay" ad nauseum. The product of small mentalities, I think. It won't be a millisecond before I am accused of being "gay"
Barry Bonds gained a lot of weight. He probably entered the league at 175 lbs. Then went to over 220 lbs. He was not a boxer and never had to make weight. A boxer is at a stripped down version of his weight when he gets ready for a fight. I see no comparison to Barry Bonds. Bonds never was tested for drugs. Pacman's been continuously tested. Floyds fans continue to reach with the roids and PEDs accusations. Just use common sense. Floyds fans love Floyd so much they will try to smear anybody who challenges him. That is what it is all about.
The one who started this thread is probably very uneducated. Things are not done that way in this system of jurisprudence. Prove you "didn't" do something. Someone could say he can't prove he hasn't committed murder or done a host of other crimes.
No cuz, it is the other way around. You have to come up with proof someone did something. There's innocent people on death row convicted with better evidence than you have that Pacman "ever" took one PED. There is not one scintilla of evidence to back of that claim. And just because of he is doing well, is not evidence.
After this fight, we'll finally stop hearing about how dominating Floyd is and how easily can beat everybody. The veneer will stripped off away from Floyd and the boxing fandom will realize why Floyd has avoided the top competition for so long. He isn't going to dominate and he will lose. To OLDMAN RIVER Mosley.
Even though I don't think he was doing really badly in the fight. I do think he somewhat "quit". He was losing but he also was getting in some shots. He seemed very chagrined by the headbutt and then maybe he chastised himself too much afterward. He left himself wide open. Floyd's first left was not a big KO punch and Ortiz still had a little time to put up his guard, but he didn't and allowed Floyd to land a bigger punch.
It didn't seem big enough to put him completely out. I think he quit in some kind of self-punishing way but as other posters have also said, he has quit before so he is no stranger to it.
Floyd doesn't want the fight. I think it has little or even nothing to do with Arum. He's concerned about his health. Floyd is 35, past his prime and this fight just isn't going to happen unless Pacquiao gets KOed and looks like he has nothing left.
I think it is a very good video. I don't agree with your assessment that it was Bradley 8-4, but I don't think Pacquiao gave that good a performance. The commentating on the HBO is tremendously biased. They are when Mayweather or Pacquiao fights. They have a set idea of what is going to happen before it does, based on the fighter's reputation, then they all reinforce each other by being in agreement.
Bradley did not do enough to win, but Pacquiao was not that sharp.
Roy Jones has a lot of common sense and tells the plain truth. Floyd fans call that hatin'. Truth is not hate. Truth brings the light. Truth needs to be said. Covering up for someone and perpetuing falsehoods and myths is not love. It's delusion. And that is ultimately destructive.
i stop reading when i saw u contrasted katsidis to floyd
WTF?
No you misunderstood but a lot of people don't really get someone's true meaning. Not contrasting the fighters per se but the type of fight it was. Nevermind.
Floyd thinks it is a cherry-pick because Guerrero is coming up from lightweight and only recently fought at welterweight. But Guerrero is a good fighter and the more I have looked at him, the more I think he has a shot. I watched his fight against Michael Katsidis and then contrasted that by watching a replay of Mayweather-DelaHoya.
Guerrero fought with tremendous intensity in that fight a landed an amazing number of big flush punches on Katsidis, who showed tremendous heart to make to the final bell.
Mayweather - DLH on the other, replayed my emotions when I saw it live on PPV. It didn't live up to the hype. Mayweather made a phony threat that he "would f*ck DLH up", which Broner now mimics. He fought very defensively and landed few telling blows. It was not an intense fight. He completely failed to deliver on the phony threat. Both came out unmarked.
Mayweather doesn't want hard fights. He won't fight Canelo because he thinks it will be a hard fight and his fanboys will award him a decisive beatdown in fantasy fight land.
I think Guerrero may be a hard fight. But there aren't many options for Floyd since he ducked Pacman. He thinks Guerrero is small and lacking in footwork, but Guerrero is filling out well and his boxing skills are above average. I am convinced he will fight like the fate of the Earth depends on him winning.
I won't buy the fight because I will never support Floyd financially anymore, but an older Floyd may have his work cut out.
Malignaggi is a test for Broner. He doesn't hit hard like Matthyse, Garcia or some others that people want Broner to fight, but his quickness and movement and is far superior. Malignaagi has been in the ring with punchers and not been taken apart by them.
If Broner tries the wide stance and standing in front of Malignaggi to apply his powerful body and head attack, Malignaggi won't be standing still to be hit by those shots, I am liking this fight, Malignaggi has a shot to outmaneuver and outpoint Broner.
I guess a staredown is traditional before the match, but I don't think it means very much. Neither wouldn't be in the position they are in if they couldn't fight and weren't confident they win.
Seriously bro, in case no one educated you, Miguel Cotto has a W over the best Mosley that he, Floyd, or Pacman fought. No need to mention canelo cause like I said originally Mosley wasn't supposed to see 12 with the guy.
Bro, I follow boxing and I did see that fight. Close fight, I thought Mosley won but they gave it to Cotto, but I don't quarrel with the decision.
Even on the night of this fight, and they both fought; Mosley fought Canelo and Cotto fought Mayweather, there wasn't that much separating the two.
Mosley did do good against canelo. No one said he won. But he remained competitive throughout. At this stage of his career and the way Floyd, then Pacman beat his a$$, he had no business lasting 12 with a 22 yo old receiving the type of accolades canelo gets, none.
He would have done just as well as against Trout, probably better. Mosley is pretty tough fighter to knock out. If he had fought Cotto that night instead of Canelo, he might have won, despite everything said about how Cotto is so vastly better than anyone Alvarez has fought.
Floyd also has some of the most loyal fans who show him uncondtional love of any sports figure, also. So he doesn't have to listen to the hate, if he doesn't want to. He can bask in their adoration. There are big numbers of them. So, I wouldn't worry about Floyd doing himself in. He hears what he wants to hear.
Mayweather schools everyone in the fantasy fight world. But he doesn't take risky fights so you never know for sure if he would actually "school" certain fighters. He is 43-0 by not taking high risk fights. He will never agree to fight Canelo. If he does, then we can start talking about who he would school, but he won't.
All of Canelo's punches were harder than Trout's. There was a wide difference in the power of the two. Canelo landed some very stout and hard punches to the chest and body. Trout's facial expression registered shock and pain on many punches. I give him credit for getting back on his horse and still continuining to work, even though his punches had little effect.
Canelo's jab was much stiffer, when he chose to throw. The knockdown had Trout in bad shape. I thought Canelo would swoop in for the finish if that happened. But he stayed patient and did seem to gas somewhat.
There were at least two other times that Canelo landed a big uppercut and Trout seemed on the verge of going down but managed to keep himself together.
Whereas I don't think Canelo ever looked too distressed. He slipped punches, masterfully, yes and what landed was ineffective. So to the very biased poster who says what won the fight was Canelo's MUCH harder and cleaner punches.
I think one very hard punch is better than 4-5 soft punches. And the total punches landed were pretty even.
Yup, I'm here to eat my crow. He showed great skill last night. More than I thought he had. His power was there, His speed, timing and head movement was on point. What's crazy was his combination punching wasn't. However Canelo had the skill to stick with a marvelous gameplan.
Now all that's left is for Canelo/Floyd to happen. And true to myself, I'll ride with the Ginger if it gets made. Congrats on a job well done kid!!:boxing:
Surprising to see you speak these words, when there are a lot of the Canelo haters trying to claim Trout was robbed. I thought Canelo clearly won and looked good. Props to you Bro!