We have no proof....but we do have common sense!

Man like I said I was here then you werent: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53057&highlight=Roids+Marco Here you go. I dont make up shit. That guy who made that thread is as stupid as the Flomos now..

He's only 31. Look at Hopkins. He's like 15 years older and he's still the lt-heavyweight king. Look at Ray Robinson in his thirties. And those were 15 round fights. People act like Pacquiao should be fighting like an old man. Hopkins hasn't been in the wars that Manny was in. The fights with Morales and Marquez were brutal. Even though he was dominant he still showed signs in the Cotto and Clottey fights that he ate some shots. He shouldn't be fighting like an old man, but to train as much as he does should cause some wear and tear on the body. I don't care how much protein you eat or drink, the punishment of training puts extra miles on the body, but somehow he isn't effected by this at all. I don't know what he's taking to recover from those workouts but Ariza would be a very rich man if told the public what supplements Manny was on because as someone that's very active I would love to buy use them.

What Pac is doing is no longer about what he's doing historically as a boxer, but more about what he's doing historically as a human being. If you lay out that he has been boxing over 15 years, close to 60 fights (that also includes almost 60 training camps), moved up 7 weight classes, and his punch output has increased with each division he has moved up. Now call me what you want. But this is the same guy that I witnessed with my own eyes catch Marquez flush 4 times and drop him but was never able to rattle his cage (same thing for Morrales who just sat on his behind and shake his head and quit) yet he is disconnecting bigger men from their senses with one punch. What he's doing is similar to Barry Bonds NEVER hitting anywhere close to 50 hrs to him sudenly jacking that many by August. The only way I think they get away with denial with a clear conscious is because all the people pointing fingers are misdiagnosing it. I think everyone is making a mistake by saying "steriods". It may very well not be steroids, but I believe it's closer to the endurance doping cyclists take during training....not necessarily during the event. How many times do I have to hear about legendary 8 hour workout sessions? Or watch him throw 1,200 plus punches with vigor in his 7th weight class? It's simply common sense. Common sense...Something you lack!

He's only 31. Look at Hopkins. He's like 15 years older and he's still the lt-heavyweight king. Look at Ray Robinson in his thirties. And those were 15 round fights. People act like Pacquiao should be fighting like an old man.

I agree, he's always been busy and powerful. But the things that he's doing at the age and the amount of wear and tear on his body don't add up. Roger Clemens was always a great pitcher, but when he has his lowest ERA of his life when he's on the tail end of his career is a joke. The body doesn't lie. It's a reason why great RB's in the NFL stats tend to decline after 30 years old. It's a reason why a supreme athlete like Roy Jones reflexes dissappeared on him in his 30's. There are too many examples of the human body being the common denominator in how supreme athletes perform. It's a reason why Jordan wasn't flying thru the air in his mid 30's. I'm not getting into the finger pointing match with everyone, it's just one of those things were common sense has to kick in somewhere.

Just look at my sig. It's one of the worst arguments in NSB. Period. This case is closed for most sensible people. Yes, even ones with common sense.

its like if roy jones started knocking heavies out when he fought ruiz. wouldnt that set alarms off?

Barry Bonds gained a lot of weight. He probably entered the league at 175 lbs. Then went to over 220 lbs. He was not a boxer and never had to make weight. A boxer is at a stripped down version of his weight when he gets ready for a fight. I see no comparison to Barry Bonds. Bonds never was tested for drugs. Pacman's been continuously tested. Floyds fans continue to reach with the roids and PEDs accusations. Just use common sense. Floyds fans love Floyd so much they will try to smear anybody who challenges him. That is what it is all about.

He was always very active and very powerful. He bludgeoned Barrera in 2003, dropping him a couple of times. And Barrera was tough, the no. 1 in the division. But his power was slightly less of a showcase because he was crude and people could survive against him using technical nous... nowadays, now that he has Ariza and the partnership of him and Roach has matured, he's fitter, and a better fighter. Nothing surprises me. He's always been a murderous puncher. Ariza is a great strength and conditioning coach. Manny's whole diet is designed for strength and conditioning. He drinks 6 protein shakes a day, and six meals. Anyway, people are acting like he's killing guys. He never knocked Cotto out, it was a TKO down to accumulation, he dropped him but Cotto has always had a shaky chin.... He didn't put Oscar down. He KO'd Hatton but that was a hail mary punch. So let's not exaggerate his power. Clottey said he didn't feel it, it was more the speed and leverage Pac generates Yep......agree

So Pacquiao has to throw under 50 punches to not be taking steroids?

sarcasm. look it up , dumbfuck. only your dumb ass would take a sarcastic joke thread seriously. Man grow up. All you do is petty name calling. Your worse then Flawless. Like I said YOU werent on this site. People were saying that. They were also saying JMM was gay. Thats not the only thread on that. By Pac fans.

now you're story telling...MAB on roids? man STFU Man like I said I was here then you werent: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53057&highlight=Roids+Marco Here you go. I dont make up shit.

What Pac is doing is no longer about what he's doing historically as a boxer, but more about what he's doing historically as a human being. If you lay out that he has been boxing over 15 years, close to 60 fights (that also includes almost 60 training camps), moved up 7 weight classes, and his punch output has increased with each division he has moved up. Now call me what you want. But this is the same guy that I witnessed with my own eyes catch Marquez flush 4 times and drop him but was never able to rattle his cage (same thing for Morrales who just sat on his behind and shake his head and quit) yet he is disconnecting bigger men from their senses with one punch. What he's doing is similar to Barry Bonds NEVER hitting anywhere close to 50 hrs to him sudenly jacking that many by August. The only way I think they get away with denial with a clear conscious is because all the people pointing fingers are misdiagnosing it. I think everyone is making a mistake by saying "steriods". It may very well not be steroids, but I believe it's closer to the endurance doping cyclists take during training....not necessarily during the event. How many times do I have to hear about legendary 8 hour workout sessions? Or watch him throw 1,200 plus punches with vigor in his 7th weight class? It's simply common sense. You pretty much hit the nail on the head just with that sentence. But you know Pac fans are still in denial. Alot of people want to believe Pac because he's a humble and nice person and Floyd is arrogant and has a big mouth. If the shoe was on the other foot people would be screaming about Mayweather doing steroids. Just because someone is nice and humble doesn't mean they're not above cheating. Look at McGuire and Sosa they seemed like really nice guys but obviously that doesn't mean shit because they both cheated!

No proof, But my common sense came in when too many excuse were coming out from Team Pacquiao, I dont see anything extra-ordinary in what Pacqauio has achieve so far in his career to make him suspicious to me but those excuses made me suspicious as hell.

Man all Pac fans accused MAB of being on roids back in 2005 and they accused JMM of being gay. So get off the high horse.

He was always very active and very powerful. He bludgeoned Barrera in 2003, dropping him a couple of times. And Barrera was tough, the no. 1 in the division. But his power was slightly less of a showcase because he was crude and people could survive against him using technical nous... nowadays, now that he has Ariza and the partnership of him and Roach has matured, he's fitter, and a better fighter. Nothing surprises me. He's always been a murderous puncher. Ariza is a great strength and conditioning coach. Manny's whole diet is designed for strength and conditioning. He drinks 6 protein shakes a day, and six meals. Anyway, people are acting like he's killing guys. He never knocked Cotto out, it was a TKO down to accumulation, he dropped him but Cotto has always had a shaky chin.... He didn't put Oscar down. He KO'd Hatton but that was a hail mary punch. So let's not exaggerate his power. Clottey said he didn't feel it, it was more the speed and leverage Pac generates

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is it common sense to base something of speculation and hearsay rather than on facts? no... Main Entry: common sense Function: noun Date: 1726 : sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts