I was watching Teddy Atlas go over the strategy for Shane Mosley & Floyd Mayweather and noticed he said (as many have on here) that Mayweather will look to counter Mosley's jab with the right. I think everyone realizes this...including Mosley himself and Nazim Richardson. I suspect that they will be looking to roll off the right and counter with their own. Extremely tough to do because Floyd's counter right is so quick and punishing.
Which leads to my second point. Shane Mosley's jab isn't as bad as it's made out to be. Folks, he's been using that jab throughout a career which, at point, was a glistening 38-0. You don't become the best fighter in the world using a bad jab. Maybe no jab, but not a bad one. He used the jab extremely well against De La Hoya in 2000. He used it well against Margarito as well. Shane has always flicked it out in a pawing manner but he is capable of mixing a hard jab in there which can totally throw off your timing. It confounded Oscar repeatedly. And sometimes he'll flick out a couple jabs then turn the third into a hook. Or a crunching right. of course, Floyd doesn't fight like an Oscar or Margarito. But if Mosley can make him just a bit hesitant to throw that straight right over the top, he could slow him down just enough to land his own. Or set him up for it with one of those "flick" jabs which is really a big right in hiding.
Finally, the theory that "Mosley can be outboxed" therefore Floyd will outbox doesn't work. Floyd isn't Vernon Forrest, nor is he Winky Wright, two big, rangy men who walked Shane down and kept him at the end of their punches. And while Miguel Cotto had success boxing (in the last few rounds, I guess?), all three of those guys had the strength to keep Mosley tentative at times and on his heels at others. Can Mayweather fight that kind of fight against a full-fledged welter? He couldn't against Baldomir. And he hasn't fought a true welter since. Floyd is deservedly the favorite. But those who think this will be a walkover need to think again.
I see Floyd starting off with a jab to the body an head over and over because Shanes weakness is a goodjab and hes not skilled enouh to time them. Dont believe me watch the Cotto fight. Cottos jab owned Mosley and kept him at bay and uncomfortable. Floyd does not lead with his jab alot but against Shane as WE ALL KNOW Shane struggles with jabs and Mayweather has a good one.
I see Shane getting hit with that jab to the stomach and getting circled Constantly by Floyd who will not stop moving in this fight. Floyd has the footspeed to dart in and out on Shane and get off punches. I see shane having to sell out to get again and thats when I see him him tryng to bull rush Floyd on the insde during the clinches alot.
Mayweather Like I said will make himself a damn near immpossible target to hit by his constant circling and movement. After a few arounds Floyds lead right will start to connect and along with a jab that is the punch that Shane has no defense for. I think the handspeed edge goes to Mayweather IMO. Shane is fast but I believe in the Cotto fight...Cotto was as fast or faster.
Mayweather will be circling, pot shotting darting in and out and using the shoulder roll which basically gives righties a slim chance to land anything big. Shane will have his moments but they will be few and far between I see him throwing and the crowd cheering but they wont be landing effectively. Shane is a very wide puncher when he wants to be and after he realizes hes down on the cards he'll look for ONE shot and then my friends thats where this fight wil get UGLY for Shane, because Floyd will tag his ass non stop and might even drop Shane a few times. No not because of power but because Floyds accuracy, speed, shanes aggresiveness, his wild swinging and the fact that he punches with his eyes closed. The punches that hurt are the ones you dont see and they can put you on your ass.
Shane has a real dislike for Floyd but he respects him. In the ring I think Shane will be looking for that ONE punch that never happens as Floyd turns his face to a pinata.
Mayweather UD or late corner or ref stoppage.
Nailed it.
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for me the biggest asset on floyd's arsenal, aside from his defense, is his ability to make his opponent to abandon their game plan. he frustrates his opponents especially in the early rounds by making them miss and move around the ring. if there's one weakness in floyd's game is his tendency to just focus on his defense when he's under attack. he just launch a one or two punch counter and then cover up and try to make his opponent miss. this is one thing that shane could exploit. he should make floyd respect his power early on the fight and find a way to back floyd in the ropes. and while floyd is on a defense mode shane should be smart with his combinations. fake out some of his punches while floyd is weaving and bobbing, he should pick his angles and attack the body as well. his timing and accuracy should be very good though as floyd's reflexes is superb.
Thats true. I dont know if it means much but from what I seen I think Floyd will let his hands go more and string his punches together. When he goes offense its downright scary like in rounds of the Hatton fight.
I don't really see that happening by choice to be honest, I think if Mayweather is letting his hands go more it will be because Mosley will force him to fight, Mosley is one of the guys that can do that.
Thats true. I dont know if it means much but from what I seen I think Floyd will let his hands go more and string his punches together. When he goes offense its downright scary like in rounds of the Hatton fight.
it definitely is downright scary against smaller guys. i dont think he will employ that too much tonight, but it is possible if shane gets a lead
But they knew the cameras were there and filming though, I don't think that move is anything Mayweather hasn't seen before. I think what Mosley showed there is a pretty basic thing to do but it could be effective at times during the fight.
Thats true. I dont know if it means much but from what I seen I think Floyd will let his hands go more and string his punches together. When he goes offense its downright scary like in rounds of the Hatton fight.
If you peeped that you know Floyd did.
But they knew the cameras were there and filming though, I don't think that move is anything Mayweather hasn't seen before. I think what Mosley showed there is a pretty basic thing to do but it could be effective at times during the fight.
Looking at some of the 24/7 training footage it looks like Mosley will try to lure Mayweather into throwing his counter right hand over the top by throwing a couple of lazy jabs, then step to his right and counter the counter with a straight right hand himself.
If you peeped that you know Floyd did.
Looking at some of the 24/7 training footage it looks like Mosley will try to lure Mayweather into throwing his counter right hand over the top by throwing a couple of lazy jabs, then step to his right and counter the counter with a straight right hand himself.
I see Mayweather coming forward early on, setting a pace, winning the first 4 rounds simply because Mosley or any of us will expect it. then he will relax for a few rounds 5-8 these rounds he will allow Mosley to come to him and just try and counter etc, then rounds 9-12 he may know hes winning the fight and just win 2 of the final 3 rounds by pot shotting and countering again!
mosley is very good with the counter-counter right hand. i think mayweather will be hesitant trying to counter over mosley's flickering jab with a right.
Good original post ID.
It's hard for me to envision anything other than a 116-112 (Floyd) type of affair here. Small spurts of action but mainly a lot of posturing, which will suit Floyd just fine. ID, you say the results of May being forced to fight harder than normal could produce "shocking" results in the late rounds. That's what it will take for Shane to win this fight, he will have to shock Floyd. Be it Shane putting so much pressure on Floyd that he forces him to exchange and catches him in the process or be it one of the things you alluded to earlier, like success with the occasional counter-right hand (and one of them happens to hurt Floyd badly).
Shane will have to get it done some time within the distance. Certainly a difficult task.
C'mon, man. I love Chico but he wasn't exactly averse to getting outboxed by fighters with lateral movement, was he? Casamayor and Freitas outboxed him too. Shane is better than Corrales. And Floyd doesn't fight like that anymore, and I don't exepct him to against his first real elite WW opponent.
Floyd is the best fighter Shane has ever fought at WW I think you forgetting that as well. The way he fought aginst Corralles wasnt like some wild man. He boxed Corralles he darted in and out and didnt get a glove laid on him.
I see Floyd starting off with a jab to the body an head over and over because Shanes weakness is a goodjab and hes not skilled enouh to time them. Dont believe me watch the Cotto fight. Cottos jab owned Mosley and kept him at bay and uncomfortable. Floyd does not lead with his jab alot but against Shane as WE ALL KNOW Shane struggles with jabs and Mayweather has a good one.
I see Shane getting hit with that jab to the stomach and getting circled Constantly by Floyd who will not stop moving in this fight. Floyd has the footspeed to dart in and out on Shane and get off punches. I see shane having to sell out to get again and thats when I see him him tryng to bull rush Floyd on the insde during the clinches alot.
Mayweather Like I said will make himself a damn near immpossible target to hit by his constant circling and movement. After a few arounds Floyds lead right will start to connect and along with a jab that is the punch that Shane has no defense for. I think the handspeed edge goes to Mayweather IMO. Shane is fast but I believe in the Cotto fight...Cotto was as fast or faster.
Mayweather will be circling, pot shotting darting in and out and using the shoulder roll which basically gives righties a slim chance to land anything big. Shane will have his moments but they will be few and far between I see him throwing and the crowd cheering but they wont be landing effectively. Shane is a very wide puncher when he wants to be and after he realizes hes down on the cards he'll look for ONE shot and then my friends thats where this fight wil get UGLY for Shane, because Floyd will tag his ass non stop and might even drop Shane a few times. No not because of power but because Floyds accuracy, speed, shanes aggresiveness, his wild swinging and the fact that he punches with his eyes closed. The punches that hurt are the ones you dont see and they can put you on your ass.
Shane has a real dislike for Floyd but he respects him. In the ring I think Shane will be looking for that ONE punch that never happens as Floyd turns his face to a pinata.
Mayweather UD or late corner or ref stoppage.
Had to repost........
Don't be mad at us if Floyd embarrasses him :lol1:.
Seriously, Mosley is a good bet. How can he not be? Like Roger said, there isn't a single opponent on Floyd's record that Shane wouldn't have beat.
Phillip N'Dou
kidding of course
i think if shane tries once to do his flicking lazy triple jab Floyd just checks him with the hook instantly. And when Shane figures the hook out, hes gonna get tagged with the right. When shane does that hes stationary and doesnt move his head.
Im in the mood to talk strategy.
I see alot of posters saying Mosley will just pressure him and walk him down.
What about Floyds fast hands and the jab?
mosley will be frustrated by floyd's jab and running in the early rounds. mosley's gonna have to step on floyd's tail and hit him with a body shot.
there won't be a big speed difference at all. the difference will be that floyd will set up his punches better and those who don't know any better will say floyd has better speed.
mosley's gonna have to use the right tactics to offset floyd's tactics, but being reactionary against floyd will only get him so far.
I think it will be the other way around.Mosley have 2" reach advantage over Mayweather.It will hard for Mayweather to find his range since he will always be within Mosley's optimum range.Knowing Mayweather he will or may change tactics in between rounds to fight on the inside from time to time to frustrate Mosley.You and I agree that Mayweather have that capacity to change and adapt on instant.
We do agree the main point tho is a young Mosley I believe would have fought Pwill no problem as it shows in the guys he has fought on his resume.were as alot of top WW would ducked and have ducked him.
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I agree. Mosley isn't the type to duck and dodge. But Paul Williams made everyone run for the hills.
Ok so then we agree. BTW, PWill was willing to come down to 147 to make the fight. Also (again) when PWill was calling out Mosley there was no potential fight with Pacquiao or Mayweather for Shane. Nothing even close to it. He sat out the year. But nevertheless, I think we agree that Mosley - like most top welters - wanted nothing to do with Williams.
We do agree the main point tho is a young Mosley I believe would have fought Pwill no problem as it shows in the guys he has fought on his resume.were as alot of top WW would ducked and have ducked him.
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