How good is David Haye?

Those guys are all natural heavyweights I consider David Haye to have been a world class cruiserweight but a pretty poor heavyweight. I think it speaks volumes about how weak the current heavyweight division is when guys like David Haye are considered as the most dangerous opponent for the K bros out there. Almost as bad as when a CW and a LHW won the linear HW championship, right? That must have been a piss poor era :lol1:

Clottey v pacquiao - i would not call that domination , clottey was afraid to throw & looked dangerous when he landed Mayweather v mosley - domination, mosley was live until mayweather adjusted and dominated using his skills Two types of one sided victories but whereas Mayweather dominated mosley by adaptation, clottey conceded victory before he even began. I refuse to accept clottey was dominated simply because he never tried to engage.....this is true of David Haye. Fair enough if Haye tried to engage & didnt run then wlad worked him out and dominated him i'd give credit to outwitting his opponent. Simple because wlad won every round in a fight almost, in my eyes does not accumulate to domination, in my eyes to dominate. Simply put.... How can you dominate somebody whos not even trying to make it a fight.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167919-lewis-haye-got-his-tactics-wrong Pretty sure this man knows what hes talking about considering he BEAT a klitschko. Noone is disputing David Haye fought a strategically awful fight. I wouldn't call Lennox Lewis, David Hayes friend and countryman especially unbiased either.

I just fail to accept that somebody with a losers gameplan & mentality was outwitted when its obviously his gameplan in the beginning that was setting him up for failure. Wouldn't this be the definition of being outwitted? If you can't even conjure a decent gameplan when you have months to prepare, how will you do it on the fly with a mammoth hw infront of you? Haye didnt follow up his punches, ran most of the fight yet you call this domination.....where did Wlad actually dominate him. Exactly. Haye fought like ****. Just like hes done in pretty much all his hw fight. Look at the Valuev fight again for a replica. David Haye has the physique and build to be active and explosive. Unfortunately he is the most timid fighter in the division (among the "names"). Where wlad wominated him? By almost scooping every round from him. The only ronds you could give Haye is based on getting 1 good hit, and are mostly sorted under the "well, this fight is embarrassing, ill give him that one". Haye "dominated" himself, thats the real story.... Yeah, and that could be said for 95% of all fighters who lose. Sorry to burst your bubble. The gameplan is far from Davids only problem in this matchup. "Looking at the numbers; neither fighter was at all efficient with landing percentages of 26% for Wladimir Klitschko & 25% for Mr. David Haye. The big Ukrainian did though manage to throw 509 punches – fully 219 more than Haye’s poultry effort of 290. That means the methodical/robotic younger Klitschko was able to throw 17.5 punches for every 10 that came from the Brit whilst also landing on a slightly more regular basis." And the reason for this is David never even popped out of his running shell to be hit. He gave himself absolutely no chance and in the process made both fighters look kind of rubbish. Do you really think David would even be standing after 12 rounds had he not been on his bike backpaddeling the entire fight? He was hoping for the lucky punch the entire fight & it failed. Exactly, because hes an extremely limited heavyweight whos gotten his notoriety from beating John Ruiz and dominating certain parts of a weak cruiserweight era.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/167919-lewis-haye-got-his-tactics-wrong Pretty sure this man knows what hes talking about considering he BEAT a klitschko.

The two points that totally contradict your so called facts are these. - Haye fought scared - Haye was dominated If Haye fought scared , which nobody can really deny. Wouldnt this explain why : - He looked amateurish - Why it looked like domination I just fail to accept that somebody with a losers gameplan & mentality was outwitted when its obviously his gameplan in the beginning that was setting him up for failure. Haye didnt follow up his punches, ran most of the fight yet you call this domination.....where did Wlad actually dominate him. Haye "dominated" himself, thats the real story.... "Looking at the numbers; neither fighter was at all efficient with landing percentages of 26% for Wladimir Klitschko & 25% for Mr. David Haye. The big Ukrainian did though manage to throw 509 punches – fully 219 more than Haye’s poultry effort of 290. That means the methodical/robotic younger Klitschko was able to throw 17.5 punches for every 10 that came from the Brit whilst also landing on a slightly more regular basis." He was hoping for the lucky punch the entire fight & it failed.

people need to lay off on their hopes david haye could be the guy to change the hw division. Hes clearly not the man for the job. People keep mentioning they should rematch. I have never heard of such nonsense. How often is it justified to rematch when one fighter clearly wins 10 rounds, and the other 2 are mostly pity rounds. Exactly. Haye needs to work his way through the division and beat at least 2 other top 10 fighter before getting another payday.

people need to lay off on their hopes david haye could be the guy to change the hw division. Hes clearly not the man for the job. People keep mentioning they should rematch. I have never heard of such nonsense. How often is it justified to rematch when one fighter clearly wins 10 rounds, and the other 2 are mostly pity rounds.

I didnt see any annihilation, i saw haye had the tools to beat wlad but fought entirely the wrong fight. - Enough power to hurt wlad - Enough speed to get to him - Good enough chin to take shots - Incredible head movement He lost the fight because. - inactivity - scared to get in close and chose to fight am ambush style I did not see any domination , not once did Haye look in trouble. But on the other hand neither did wlad. rewatch the fight These are the facts. Sorry but Haye didn't have the tools or the balls to beat Wlad. Great speed and power mean nothing at an elite level if you're going to telegraph the one punch you throw at a time. And I highly doubt he had the chin to deal with Wlad if he wasn't also fighting scared and decided to break Haye down and open up on him. AND.....Wlad had been inactive longer than Haye. You need to check your facts again my friend.

& Paul Williams won his last fight.... point is? did he win 10 rounds? No, rather 4. or 3.

10 rounds to 2 is not domination? I guess we'll have to disagree. & Paul Williams won his last fight.... point is?

10 rounds to 2 is not domination? I guess we'll have to disagree.

I didnt see any annihilation, i saw haye had the tools to beat wlad but fought entirely the wrong fight. - Enough power to hurt wlad - Enough speed to get to him - Good enough chin to take shots - Incredible head movement He lost the fight because. - inactivity - scared to get in close and chose to fight am ambush style I did not see any domination , not once did Haye look in trouble. But on the other hand neither did wlad. rewatch the fight These are the facts.

If somehow the heart, and toughness of Ray Mercer could be grafted onto David Haye, with his speed and athletic talent, that fighter might be the one who could challenge the reign of Klitschko. Haye was not punished really, he didn't want to accept much punishment. Mercer absorbed an incredible pounding. Wladimir looked really good in that one. Merer was immobile enough for Klitschko to unleash wicked shots.

Haye is a good fighter who got totally outclassed, schooled, beaten up, exposed, dominated and humiliated by HOF ATG Wladimir Klitschko. You forgot annihilated. :)

Haye is a good fighter who got totally outclassed, schooled, beaten up, exposed, dominated and humiliated by HOF ATG Wladimir Klitschko. Haye is a fighter who hasn't beaten a fighter of note at heavyweight. His best win is over an old John Ruiz who should have gotten the decision over Valuev. He doesn't throw in combination much and he telegraphs his punches.

Green Wlad destroyed Mercer. He became the first man to knockdown and KO Mercer. Lol, what a joke! Mercer was 41 and hadn't beaten a decent fighter in 6 years. And Wlad wasn't green. He had nearly 40 fights as well as his extensive amateur background. This is a fight that does little for his legacy, knockdown or not.

I should be so lucky... :lol1: I was thinking the exact same thing!

you're going on my ignore list. I should be so lucky...

How about to beat a giant heavyweight who throws 800 punches in 10 rounds like Vitali? Just like Vitali to feast on retreads.