those 20 year olds must have been total pussies to be overtaken by a senior citizen at 75...i dont care who the hell dempsey was, a 75 year old man would straight up get his ass thoroughly smashed by me and my boy if we decided to take him out
your a pussy then if you need two of you too beat up a old man shame on you.
I am a big fan of joe, but prime for prime at smw i think he loses to Roy! Roy was such a f-in monster it was unreal. i watch some of his prime fights from time to time, and it never fails that i tell myself, cotdayum, he was unreal. bad ass mofo! for me i need a refresher once in a while as it's easy to forget just how talented a guy like jones was!
does anyone else think roy wouldn't have the same success with roides than without them i think unroided roy would lose to calzaghe in their primes.
What I think, is you should do your research before saying retarded shit.
no need to call me a retard i was just asking jeez is this what this forum is all about name calling some of you need to grow up.
u were asking a question would roy have done as well without steroids... which means u didnt do your research... u think roy was on steroids his whole career... which makes u a retard
where the fuck did i say he was on roids his whole career you stupid fuck.
You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know fuck all about the science of boxing?
Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but fucking talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous.
well in calzaghes prime he did have as good skills but rememebr he fucked up his hands.
Mainly father time, the Hopkins of four or five years ago would've have a ridiculously easy time as evidenced by the first six rounds when he made Calzaghe look like a chump.
your opinion only calzaghe was poor in the start of the fight in my opinion
i dont get you people i mean somoene like hopkins uses dirty tactics like head butting etc and you dont mind it yet hatton wrestles abit and its so bad talk about bias towards your own.
Toney by easy decision.
Well in fact I think he'd probably smack Calzaghe around and stun him a few times..........but he'd make him look flat out horrible.
That whole straight punches in bunches thing looks hilarious when it's used against a slickster who relies on punching angles.
you must be the on about out of prime calzaghe
One question.
If calzaghe could hardly land on a 43 year old hopkins.
How on earth would he land on Prime James Toney?
PS. I hope no one tries to tell me Calzaghe had more power than Toney at 168 pounds.
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wtf are you trying to compare calzaghe today to his prime lmao for starters his hands werent fucked up in his prime and he had power too .
Good question,
Nunn couldnt land on Toney, the judging of that fight was disgusting, toney hurt him several times and constenly evaded nunns flicker jab, eventually the body shots and vicous right hands caught up with nunn, and toney brutally knocked him out.
Ps, toney was about 22 at the time i think, and nunn was considered by some the best fighter on the planet.
Calzaghe aint got a jab that can trouble toney, and all that jumping in unprotected with wide angle punches.....
Toney would see that all day long, see how hopkins had calzaghe down, toney had savage power at this weight. Calzaghe would be getting hit everywhere, inside with right hooks to the body, right hand counters the lot.
Inside or outside, toney all day.
again your comparing calzaghe from the hopkins fight hes way past his prime and has pucked up hands go watch a prime calzaghe when he was younger.
Joe is a good boxer but lets stop dissing Mr. P4P Mayweather. As a Boxer Mayweather is far more superior than Joe. The only thing Joe has more than Mayweather is a fan base and by the end of 2009 he will lose that also. Mayweather has maybe 1 guy that will give him a damn good fight thats Cotto. Joe could get beaten by Winky (pay me) Wright, Kelly Pavlik and maybe even Arthur Abraham or Edison Miranda. I just wish Joe and Floyd would fight worthy competition on a constant basis like Manny P and Miguel Cotto.
wtf far superior he might be bette but far superior lmao
yo r u a fukin retarded or wat prime aint decided by da age of a fighter itz decided by how many fightz u have had in da ring n how many wars u hav had eubank had a lot of wars in da ring against benn n watson n took beatingz against collins. also tough fightz were against dun jus luk up on boxrec chek his age n post here if u aint seen him fite before gosh dese calzaghe stans r worse dan money may nuthuggerz seriously fagzaghe got beat by a senior citizen called hopkinz and got knocked dwn in da first lmfaooo overrrated limey
if hes a retard you must be a brain dead vegetable i mean saying calzaghe was overrated is stupid coz hes had fucked up hands for years .
Thats actually laughable. Hopkins is on another level than Calzaghe if anything. He has fought the better fighters and is known for fighting more pound for pound quality fighters as well. Calzaghe has beaten some good fighters, but which of the fighters were in their prime and who did the younger champions beat? Who has Kessler or Lacy beaten?
I scored the fight a draw, but you could make a case for either guy winning. Hopkins made Calzaghe fight his fight for half of the fight and Calzaghe made some technical adjustments while Hopkins fadded.
You say that Tarver is not on Calzaghe level, when he has fought much better fighters than Calzaghe has. Calzaghe is more accomplished of course, but didn't fight the opposition than Tarver has.
what is who you fight got to do with your ability and skills nothing.
Hopkins that fought Tito would of beaten Calz with ease he would have crusied past Joe if he could of sustain his activity, Joe is all about Workrate when he comes foward and he has never faced a defensively sound fighter like Hopkins in his life and when he did he was getting showed how good he actually is and Toney makes him look worse
man shut the fuck up prime calzaghe hit hard how would hopkins deal with that i suppose you think he would just take those shots easy.
Many people thought that Hopkins took Calzaghe to school as well. :rofl: Tarver actually had an excuse. He was 200+ pounds when he came back from making the rocky movie. He was weight drained, however i would have still favored Hopkins over him but it would have been a much more competitive fight.
Also, Calzaghe was accused on avoiding Johnson even when he wanted to come to wales to fight. I would give the Johnson that beat Jones and Tarver the first time a good shot at upsetting Calzaghe.
the only thing that hopkins took to school against calzaghe was all the hugging hes like hatton ain't he.
Pretty much. It would ruin his legacy if he can't beat the wayyyyyy past him prime old man.
i didn't reallise that 3 years older than someone makes them a old man and the person 3 years younger a fresh fighter calzaghe is out of prime to and has fucked up hands .
For a while now, I've said that his best choice would be Pavlik as his last opponent.
Not only is Pavlik stylistically the easier opponent for him, but Joe would also get more credit beating a younger, stronger, prime, unbeaten champion rather then a has-been in RJJ. Bad choice Joey.
With that said, I've got RJJ all the way schooling the queer, making him look like a boyscout lost in the woods during camp.
RJJ will shine late in his career pulling off a defining victory.
go kill yourself you piece of shit .
good points, so are you saying had he kept his body natural, his left hook wouldnt have been as devastating as it ultimately was. that was his money punch and it saved his ass many times. but roids do make you stronger, im still undecided whether that played a major factor in his left hand
roids cant teach you to use proper body leverage, and Tommy used to sit down a lot on that punch. it was a classic punch, comparable to a lot of great left hookers.
well didn't tyson use roids to and roy jones maybe they got extra power from roids to
Earlier in my other "Marciano vs Holyfield" thread, people complained that rocky was overated and wouldnt last against holyfield.
So i decided to come up with this, so people can post their opinion. what counts is what the fan thinks, so you be the judge
We all know rocky's credentials, we know that he beat up on some old men, but competitive old men.
undefeated, unbeaten 49-0 record, considered by some critics to be the top 10 heavyweight of all time
here's one of his many hi-lite videos
here's a video focusing on Rock's underated defence
was rocky marciano overated?
please vote, and comment
wtf this post is disrespectful
If he said that he could mean the other guy though. Obviously he doesn't, but some people might be confused..
Also how the fuck does that remind you of Hopkins!?
the way he talks and he sounds abit dumb lol