Joe has ALWAYS been better than Hopkins, and his legacy reflects that

Because according to them fighting a blown up WW at MW in DeLaHoya is regarded as more impressive than fight a SM double world champ at SM.

Depends where the fight was,has Jones ever fought a top tier guy outside America?.He might struggle without the home comforts like so many Americans.

thx mate the first one its courtesy of abosworth the margarito one was made by crazylegs Do you have to pay them or are they doing it for free?

You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know fuck all about the science of boxing? Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but fucking talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous. well in calzaghes prime he did have as good skills but rememebr he fucked up his hands.

well i dont about prime vs prime but today hopkins did fought like a pussy when he knocked down calzaghe he didnt even made the attempt to knock him out he was just hoping the judges would give him the win luckily justice was made and the evil las vegas judges didnt comit another robbery Because he knew Joe was hurt, And joe is more dangerous when he gets KD thats why B-hop didnt move in. P.S: I love your sig by the way.

You're delusional. Trinidad was a fucking welterweight. Tito even p4p is not as good as Calzaghe. But you need to take weight classes seriously. Beating guys from lower weight classes is worse than beating journeymen in your own class a primed 147lber tito not as good as calzaghe, oooookay. c'mon - how anyone could have found last nights joe to be anything more than just 'good', is beyond me. joe fought like he knew that all he had to do was connect with the glove to the face, regardless of how weak the connection was. that was truly a spectacle.

You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know fuck all about the science of boxing? Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but fucking talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous. I dont think he has any to be honest he was the same person telling us B-hop couldnt crack at 160 so he has NO power, Am not even a Fan of B-hop but when you write dumb stuffs like that then you lose all credibility for me..Thats how people were saying PBF wouldnt crack hatton's chin because he has No power, We all saw what happen last night with Joe C being KD and Hatton being KO.. Once again this is boxing and people need to stop underestimating any boxers power even if they're all paulie M.

It's touchy here, but I'm not opposed to what youre saying. I think Joe and Nard are around the same natural weight. Close enough so that a fight between them is legit. You can't say that about Oscar. Tito is a slightly more complicated case Good point. I think Tito's power didn't move up 100% and neither did his strength. But I think in the move up his chin stabilized significantly and just seemed sturdier on his feet. I'm basing that on the fact that he hit Bernard with a clean left hook after a clinch (I forget which round one of the early ones) and took a terrific beating all night and somehow lasted till the 12th as opposed to all those other flash KD's at 147 and 154.

Lol one other thing I'm not for or against either fighter KayJay (just in case). Just stating my opinion and that's this. Had Hopkins been younger he would've won. I'm sure that if you ask most boxing experts they'll say the same thing. But thats it for me I'll stop now. Just my 2 cents. Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter and it's bad form (not saying from you) to make that the principal topic. If Lennox had fought Holy and Tyson in the early 90's instead of when he did, maybe he loses. History will likewise have Joe ahead of Hopkins, and the hypotheticals don't matter

I'm not aligning myself with jingoistic morons. I'm baiting Hopkins fans and watching them eat their pie. If they would have said Joe won and ended it, I would not make threads. But they've still been making Calzaghe hate threads all night b/c they can't accept reality. The reality is Calzaghe cruised to a win against Hopkins. All qualifications are irrelevant. You hate your British 'jingoists'. I hate my American ones. Ok? Lol one other thing I'm not for or against either fighter KayJay (just in case). Just stating my opinion and that's this. Had Hopkins been younger he would've won. I'm sure that if you ask most boxing experts they'll say the same thing. But thats it for me I'll stop now. Just my 2 cents.

I've stated in other threads that Joe won, my point has been based on what is he a great fighter? Then my dispute is not with you. But Joe is a great fighter, no matter what happened last night.

I'm not aligning myself with jingoistic morons. I'm baiting Hopkins fans and watching them eat their pie. If they would have said Joe won and ended it, I would not make threads. But they've still been making Calzaghe hate threads all night b/c they can't accept reality. The reality is Calzaghe cruised to a win against Hopkins. All qualifications are irrelevant. You hate your British 'jingoists'. I hate my American ones. Ok? I've stated in other threads that Joe won, my point has been based on what is he a great fighter?

We may be now getting into semantics but if that's the case than shouldn't Joe's victory over Hopkins then fall into your logic? Joe's been a SM throughout his career and B-Hop a MW. Should Joe's victory over B-Hop than be this amazing thing if all he did was beat the lower weight class' best guy? It's touchy here, but I'm not opposed to what youre saying. I think Joe and Nard are around the same natural weight. Close enough so that a fight between them is legit. You can't say that about Oscar. Tito is a slightly more complicated case

I always insist on this. I never back a fighter's choice of smaller names. For instance, if Joe chooses to fight Pavlik, I will not respect it. Pavlik is not a serious threat though he is a legit 160lb champ We may be now getting into semantics but if that's the case than shouldn't Joe's victory over Hopkins then fall into your logic? Joe's been a SM throughout his career and B-Hop a MW. Should Joe's victory over B-Hop than be this amazing thing if all he did was beat the lower weight class' best guy?

You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know fuck all about the science of boxing? Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but fucking talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous. I'm not aligning myself with jingoistic morons. I'm baiting Hopkins fans and watching them eat their pie. If they would have said Joe won and ended it, I would not make threads. But they've still been making Calzaghe hate threads all night b/c they can't accept reality. The reality is Calzaghe cruised to a win against Hopkins. All qualifications are irrelevant. You hate your British 'jingoists'. I hate my American ones. Ok?

TS, step aside on this one. It's time for Calzaghe fans to gloat and watch Hopkins fans cry. You do realise alot of these jingoistic morons know fuck all about the science of boxing? Dont allign yourself with them, retain your self respect, calzaghe is a class fighter, but fucking talk of having more skill than toney (which you pretty much said in another thread too) is rediculous.

Its getting silly now kayjay, you should know better, calzaghe doesnt have anywhere near the skill level of a prime james toney, anyhow those two fought primes and toney made the weight with no problems, calzaghe would get hurt, he wouldnt land that slapping type shit on toney. Seriously now, people need to behave themselves. True enough, people need to fix up, the general feel im getting is the same here, a good fighter yes, but a fighter who has carefully picked and chose where and when and who he fought. A great fighter Calzaghe is not

Its getting silly now kayjay, you should know better, calzaghe doesnt have anywhere near the skill level of a prime james toney, anyhow those two fought primes and toney made the weight with no problems, calzaghe wouldn't get hurt, he would land that slapping type shit on toney. Seriously now, people need to behave themselves. TS, step aside on this one. It's time for Calzaghe fans to gloat and watch Hopkins fans cry. It's not time for moral victories of "Nard would have beaten him before."

LMAO@ this thread, James toney had savage power at 160-168, please dont tell me calzaghe could have beaten him, its embarassing. Real talk son

I'm going to have to disagree with you big time there man. Beating great fighters from lower weight classes is IMO definitely better than beating journeyman from the same weight class.There's NO way wins over Tocker Pudwill, Charles Brewer, and Kabary Salem are better than DLH, Tito and Winky. You can't honestly believe what your saying.... I always insist on this. I never back a fighter's choice of smaller names. For instance, if Joe chooses to fight Pavlik, I will not respect it. Pavlik is not a serious threat though he is a legit 160lb champ