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The fact is, like it or not, Floyd is undefeated and in a position where he needs big name fights. This is above boxing. This is about becoming a public figure and the public only crowns fighters "great" if they beat big names. That's how it works. That's how DLH, a really good fighter, built his empire. It's about names not proving yourself vs. the young and hungry up and coming prospect. And why is it that in the world today nobody wants to earn shit? PBF earned the right to be in his position. AM should do the same. Keep fighting and keep winning. But nowadays everyone wants everything now, now, now, instead of working their ass off. They just want shit handed to them on a silver platter. Don't hate the player, hate the game. PBF doesn't give a flying fuck about how you or other "purists" feel about his match-making. Look I like Floyd but you've got to be real. If Floyd wants to fight Baldomir and become the recognized champ at 147... that is fine. Since plenty of people claim, rightfully, that he is not the champ at 140 or 147. On the other hand, Margarito has earned his shot at Floyd. Face it, like it or not, Margarito is the second ranked contender in the 147 division behind Floyd with Baldomir as the champ. Margarito has held a title for 4 years and 6 defenses. Sure maybe he didn't fight the toughest guys in the 147 division but that is a combination of mandatories to retain a title (and some control over his career) and other guys not wanting to fight him... not his fault. I will not say that Floyd is ducking Margarito yet, but if his next fight after Baldomir isn't DLH/Mosley then it better be AM. He has earned a right to compete for a title and show people what he has.

I think DLH is incredibly overrated if people think he is one of the best of all time. He basically lost every big fight he was in other than Fernando Vargas. I similarly feel RJJ is overrated if you put him in the top 10 of all time, I think RJJ is a great fighter and definitely is HOF but not one of the best ever. ON the other hand I think Lennox Lewis gets way too much hate. Yes he did get KOd by 2 average fighters but he avenged both of those losses and he beat everybody else he faced. I can't blame him for not having adequate competition in his day or Riddick Bowe dumping his belt not to fight him. Lewis at his best would stand a good chance of beating any HW in history not because his skills necessarily but he is freakishly tall and has pretty good power. Not many people are able to get inside a jab of a guy that tall. Yes he was boring and limited in certain respects and his chin was a little suspect but he still did pretty well for himself.

Some favor the classics, others pick the more recent but it really is a question of who is or was the greatest fighter of all time. Some may argue that Sugar Ray Robinson dominated in his time, he made it big and dominated the 40's 50's and some of the 60's containing a record of 175-19 (fairly impressive i believe). Others may argue that Rocky Marciano should hold that place as history's greatest with an astonishing record of 49-0. There may even be others who come close to this sort of glory but only one sticks out in my mind, Muhammad Ali. Ali is the greatest thing that ever happened to boxing, he's strategic, cocky, inteligent, used a cool head and a fast heart and even if he felt like shit still faught with a smile on his face just to make the other contendor feel intimidated. Many may be disscouraged that im even stating this, that im expressing my views on this but i dont believe im wrong. Try and prove me wrong, who is better than Ali? aubviously nobody. I think Ali is a great fighter but by that same token he is one of the most overrated figures in boxing history. What he did for the sport will never be equalled but if we confine our inquiry to what happened in the ring he isn't even top 5 (imo). He received several beneficial decisions because he was "the greatest" and the whole Sonny Liston fiasco still doesn't sit right with me. Beating Foreman was probably the most significant moment in boxing history but lets not forget that Ali lost to Frazier, and Ken Norton not so long before. In the end who did he really beat to be considered the best ever...Frazier and Foreman are the only 2 world class fighters he beat in their prime. Norton was a good but not great fighter; Patterson was old; Chevalo and Foley were serviceable. And I refuse to ignore the fact that he decided to continue to fight and lost to Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick. Yes Sugar Ray Robinson lost to some average fighters at the end of his career but he HAD to fight for money and Ali chose to continue.

I have to agree with this.. To me it seemed like He realised he still had a few seconds before the ref reached 10 and decided to take advantage.... For whoever asked.. YES IT is a Markers Of Queensbury Rule.. if a fighter goes down a second time on the same KD... the fight is halted and a KO is Declared It was me that asked. So the rule is no matter for what reason if you get up and then return to the canvas its over. Interesting I guess I have never really seen a guy that returned but was able to actually get up and continue.

The fight should have been OVER when Khan went back to his knees.. The ref shouold be sacked.. everybody knows this rule.. :nono: But Khan has already been SO overhyped.. Him losing is going to make a LOT of people look very bad.. Is there a rule that if you get up and go back down that it is automatically over? I was under the impression that it was left to the ref's discretion and most of the time (ie. Zab Judah) the guy is so out of it that it is the right call. I watched the replay and while Khan was clearly rocked and KD, he intentionally went back to a knee to compose himself during the count, he didn't fall back down. Then when he got up he actually seemeed pretty clear headed and even landed some decent punches towards the end of the round. If he was as hurt as Limond claimed he was why didn't he just jump all over him and finish the fight. I have nothing invested in either of these guys but from what I saw it looked pretty legit.

I think it will be an interesting fight but I don't know how exciting its going to be. Winky clearly is going to employ the Taylor strategy of simply outworking the older man in the early going to get rounds in the bank. Hopkins naturally will come on in the second half of the fight and probably do more damage to Wright then Wright does to him. The only question is how much does Hopkins have left in terms of being able to push the action to the necessary level to win some of the early rounds. If he can or if Wright is unable to get off due to Hopkins' defense I like Hopkins by UD. If Wright takes most of the early rounds I like Wright by UD. I highly doubt there will be any KO in this fight and am fairly sure there won't be a KD (if there is it won't be significant). Anyhow if forced to give a prediction I guess I like Hopkins by SD as I don't think the old man has really been beaten since he mastered his craft (I think he lost to Taylor but I agree with his opinion that he landed the more significant shots in both bouts, it simply isn't the way boxing is scored).

I think Gomez is actually a good fighter and will be one of the most successful off of the Contender series. In the show he proved he can take the punch of guys that are fighting 2 weight classes above where he is at. Sure Mora and Manfredo aren't the biggest punchers in their division but compared to most 147 pounders they probably hit hard. Gomez on the other hand is clearly limited in some respects and will always have problems with quick handed guys that don't want to brawl with him. He is the type of guy who should be fighting younger prospects to see how good they really are. In today's WW division Gomez may not even be top 15...Mayweather, Margarito, Cintron, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, Judah, Julio, Quintana, Berto, Mosley, Collazo, DLH (possible) just off the top of my head. He may be better off going to 154 at this time.

Based on in the ring accomplishments there is no way he makes it considering some of the guys that aren't in historically. On the other hand if we factor in what he did for boxing perhaps he makes it. When boxing was sort of stagnant those Ward-Gatti battles surely attracted people to the sport who would not ordinarily and have probably subsequently stopped watching. If I had a vote he would NOT get in because honestly I think that his fame/$ is his reward for what he did and the HOF should really be about what happened in the ring.

DAMN that would be an exciting fight. I don't think either one of them even uses a jab. Straight bombs getting thrown all night. Both have the kind of chin where they can be KD but can get up and KO the other guy. As I have said right now I just can't pick against Cotto even though Cintron seems to have all the advantages...height, reach, maybe even power. But Cotto just seems to always find a way to systematically break guys down. On the other hand maybe Cintron is too much. But this would be a good test for Cotto in terms of how he fares against a bigger WW.

I think Margarito has a much better chance in a rematch with Williams. If for no other reason Williams fought a pretty good fight and I don't think you can ask for much more out of him. On the other hand Margarito seemed perplexed by the punch output early but sort of solved the riddle by the middle of the fight to at least be competitive. If the whole fight resembled the last half then Margarito stands a good chance to win. Cintron-Margarito is also an interesting fight, I think Cintron is better now and with Steward in his corner he is more confident. On the other hand his style sort of plays right into Margarito's strength b/c if Cintron can't KO him we know he is going to take some punishment and the last time he didn't hold up so well. I also think Williams easily outpoints Cintron by UD. Cintron probably can't KO Williams either and Williams is easily the better boxer with a much longer reach. Williams really impressed me on Saturday night and I think he would be a tough order for any WW right now.

I hope you’re right; someone needs to KTFO Mora so we never have to hear from his cowardly ass again. I mean, who gives up a title shot at the middleweight champion of the world for $ 1 million? Shit, I’d get in there with Taylor for that kind of money… When he didn't take the fight I was totally in agreement but after seeing how Spinks sort of got the shaft, I don't really blame him since his claim is that it would be unfair. I think Ouma overwhelms him UD... Manfredo gets KTFO by Green.

I think he got caught off guard by Williams' high punch output and simply didn't adjust quickly enough. If he had started quicker like above poster mentioned he easily could have won the fight.

I agree with the above poster. Cintron is probably more powerful but Trinidad is more likely to catch you because he is a straighter more accurate puncher. But Cintron looked better looks like Emmanuel is really helping him become more confident.

Zab Judah- pre-Tsyzu he looked like he might have been Pernell Whitaker with more power. After he looked more like a light weight version of post-prison Tyson. Riddick Bowe- Like the original poster said I have never been more excited about a HW. He annihilated a really prime great Evander Holyfield, seemed to be on his way to winning the 2nd fight before the bizarre "fan man" and then totally dropped off the face of the boxing earth. Golota pounded him and would have beaten him TWICE if not for his own mental deficiencies and then it was all over. Truly sad. He also failed to face Lennox Lewis after he won the belt which looked like a real bitch move because Lewis had KOd him at the Olympics. Tyson- I wouldn't put Tyson on here because I think what happened to him was inevitable. When the bully is exposed and he no longer can intimidate part of his excellence went with it. Even if he had beaten Buster Douglas convincingly and not gone to jail, I think Holyfield would have done the same thing to him. Holyfield was considered "over the hill" when they fought the first time and he gave Tyson an epic ass whooping.

Isn't he going to fight Thaxton next? I think that should be another good stepping stone test. If he can beat Thaxton he might be 2-3 fights away from being a leigitimate title contender against a lesser belt-holder.

His last fight was two weight divisions above that. You're being ridiculous if you expect Mayweather to come down to fight him. Whether he can make it is irrelevant. Roy Jones made 175 after a heavyweight fight. Should he have? Hell no. Besides, Hatton turned down a 140 fight with Mayweather this time two years ago, so save the excuses for the British fans who will use it to their advantage. Yes it is two weight divisions removed but unlike a regular 154 pound fighter Mayweather walks around at 150. To think that he has to lose 10 pounds in six months is MORE than feasible. Furthermore Hatton probably will have to lose MORE weight for the fight anyways. I like Mayweather and I think his prime weight is 140 because he has more pop and more speed. He would crush Hatton either way imo so why give anybody an excuse to hate on the victory. Make it a tiny ring and let it be at Hatton's weight and I still guarantee Mayweather whoops him good.

Thank God. Hatton would be ridiculed for life if that was true. Does it even matter? Mayweather can make 140 and then there will be no excuses.

Winky should just fight in a division he's comfortable fighting in. If he can really make 154 still then he should go and dominate. He is the best Light Middleweight in the world by far. I agree. If Winky fights Calzaghe at 168, I favor Calzaghe becaues Winky looked like he didn't carry the extra weight very well last night. He seemed totally drained the last 4 rounds and that was most likely the major difference in the fight. Calzaghe definitely doesn't present the defensive puzzle that Hopkins did but his consistent work rate would probably have Winky just as tired come the later rounds. I respect Wright for stepping up to fight at 170 but if he can fight at 154 or 160 he can be dominant.

He does some good stuff for boxing on yahoo, but overall he talks out of his ass all the time, and sometimes it hardly seems like he knows what he's talking about! He scored the Margarito fight 116-112 for Margarito!!!!! That is LAUGHABLE, especially considering Williams CLEARLY won 5 of the first 6 rounds. There is no conceivable way margarito won at all, let alone by that margin. The absolute WORST the fight could be scored is 115-113, in favor of WILLIAMS. I happen to agree with you. 116-112 Margarito is insane. I guess the only way you get there is if you add up all the rounds that any person in the media or judge gave to Margarito. From what I can tell some people gave him rounds 3,5,6,7,8,10,11 but I have no idea what other round could be the 8th. That being said I scored the fight 115-113 Williams and I only gave Margarito 1 of the first 6 rounds. Good fight but Margarito just never landed enough to win.

I tend to go with Vitali on this debate. He only lost twice in his career...once due to injury while he was battering Chis Byrd and once to Lennox Lewis when he was leading on all scorecards. While he never really beat anybody to get all too excited about, he did fare very nicely against this era's best HW (whether you like him or not) although it was on short notice. In conclusion, while Vitali has fought less competition he also KO'd Corrie Sanders, and never got caught by a Lamon Brewster or Ross Puritty. I guess Wladimir has a better chance to prove me wrong since I see his future as brighter than Vitali who I will never be convinced can make it through a year without some injury.

I don't think he is ducking Mosley. Imo and it is only opinion, it is better to take on a young undefeated challenger in his prime than an over the hill but still talented ex-champion. I think that a Mosley (in his prime) v. Mayweather would be a tremendous fight but Mosley has seen better days. Two victories over a clearly over the hill and weight drained Fernando Vargas and a clear but not overwhelming victory over Collazo don't tell me that Mosley is still at his peak. Its unfortunate these guys never faced off when they were younger because surely it would have been a great fight. That being said if you don't think Mosley is past his prime then he should just fight Cintron-Mathysse winner and then Mayweather will have to choose between the winner of that fight and the winner of Cotto-Margarito/Williams if he wants to fight again (which he will because he loves that $).

It is my opinion that it is difficult and unfair to compare different boxers from different eras especially in the HW division. If you look at it historically the champs were MUCH smaller than today's champ and as a result I think that many of today's champs would fare quite well against many past HW champs. That being said although I think that Wlad is probably a favorite against most past HW greats (if they fought 10 times I give Wlad a good chance to win at least 6 against most) I by no means consider him to be one of or the GREATEST. It all is dependent on the era while head 2 head Wlad would often prevail guys like Marciano, Dempsey, Ali, Foreman etc. they never lost to the likes of Ross Puritty. So I guess my answer is Wlad would fare well but I'm not sure what the historical significance of that is.

Can he please just retire. He clearly has seen his best days and even then he never won the big fights so why would he win now? He just messes up good potential fights because everybody wants in on that $ so champs will fight him even if there is a much better fight out there. If you are a fan of DLH I understand you want your guy to continue, but if you are a fan of the sport then he is doing us no good (yes I know his the most recognizable boxer but I have accepted the reality that boxing is a fringe sport right now). Frankly I think that if boxing started actually promoting the best fights more people would be drawn back.

I don't remember but my dad took me to the Olympic Boxing in '84 (I'm from los angeles). Since then boxing has often been a staple in my home as my dad grew up loving boxing and developed a weird friendship with Sonny Liston when he lived in Philadelphia and Liston was retired. One of my favorite memories is watching a great prizefight with my dad.

I have never loved or hated the guy. I have always respected him as a tough guy that won't be stopped and comes forward making for exciting fights. He was never the best technically defensively or offensively but that is why his rise to the top was impressive. Frankly, I thought he would win last night but he didn't. I give more respect to Williams for fighting a smart and gritty fight than I take away from Margarito for losing. He had a Cotto contract in place and decided to honor a difficult mandatory...how many guys in boxing will do that especially if they aren't financially set for life like some of the big names. For all the punches Margarito took he never stopped coming on, didn't look the worse for wear after the fight, but he simply was outclassed. I'm not glad to see him lose in fact I'm kind of sad because he never got the one big payday I think he deserved for years of fighting nobodies. Just remember Kermit Cintron a man he dismantled is wearing a belt right now so how irrelevant can Margarito be after the loss. If Mosley doesn't fight Cintron then he easily could be fighting Margarito again for a title.

I still fail to see what the problem is. For those of us that think Mosley is past his prime, there is no reason to see Mayweather fight an ex-elite fighter who beat DLH. For those that think Mosley is the toughest fight of Mayweather's career and still at his peak then why can't the fight still be made even if Mayweather fights Hatton. Lets be real Mayweather is not staying retired and will at least fight once and most likely twice a year as long as he is active. If he beats Hatton who else can he fight that will garner enough popularity to make it "worth his while." It is a short list and Mosley certainly is a name on that list. And for what its worth I think Mosley would have given Mayweather a good fight in his prime, which is about 5 years removed from today.

I'm not so sure that Mosley objectively even won both of those fights with the prime DLH and I'm most definitely sure that Mayweather won a boring but decisive UD over an over the hill DLH. Not much of a comparison. Furthermore if you are so convinced that Mosley is still in his prime making this a worthy fight then you shouldn't be worried because if Mayweather fights in November he'll probably fight again in May. So if Mosley is still good enough to beat him right now the next 10 months shouldn't do much to change that. If Mosley takes the title from Cintron/Mathysse winner and Cotto/Margarito fight then Mayweather will only have two choices for his next fight...Mosley or Cotto/Margarito. And considering that Mayweather is all about $ he will know to take on the older man first before he retires then take on a younger guy like Cotto/Margarito who can only look to get more popular. BTW how is it cherry picking when you are fighting a young undefeated fighter instead of an older skilled but over the hill fighter (be real Mosley hasn't looked elite since his back to back losses to Winky).

Judah is a horrible style match up for him. Judah is too fast he will batter Gomez because Gomez doesn't have the punch to make Judah tenative. Gomez is definitely a GOOD WW, I picked him to win this past Saturday, and I think he is capable of beating a lower tier top 10 WW but definitely none of the top 5. Now that I'm thinking about it...Mayweather, Mosley, Cintron, Cotto, Collazo, Judah, DLH (if comes back to 147), Williams, Margarito, Clottey, Berto, Julio, Quintana all would probably beat him. So on second thought he probably can't beat a top 10 WW but that says more about how stacked the division is than it does about Gomez.

Agreed this is a bad style match up. Look at Mayweather-Gatti and this is what it will look like but Cotto will be much more competitive in terms of fighting back. Cotto is just too available to be hit by accurate counters. Zab had the left hand there all night and just didn't throw it. If Mayweather fights his game, Cotto doesn't land nearly as many punches and gets punched a lot more

No, a lot of times they have some guy named ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY doing it with Joe Tessitore :) You're the man ICE. Have they offered you any other TV announcing deals because I know you're better than most of the guys out there now. PLEASE send HBO the resume.