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Boxnation picks up most of the big fights. It's UK and Eire only but there's an easy work around. Quite a lot of US fans on here use it. thank you:beerchug:

It seems as if a lot of you guys are trying to make a point that boxing is a more tactical sport than MMA. Freddie Roach himself has said that MMA is a much more complicated sport, simply because of all of the extra factors that you have to take into account, such as elbows, knees, kicks, takedowns, submissions...etc. I mean, its pretty obvious. No doubt, boxing is a tactical and highly strategical battle. But it is one dimensional, in that all you have to worry about essentially is your opponents hands. thats like comparing a formula 1 car to a v6 toyota 4runner and comming to a conclusion that the 4runner is a more complicated machine because it can go on a straightway, offroading, in water, in snow.......... and calling f1 car one dimensional. it may have 1 dimension, but that 1 dimension is greated than the others all dimension combined and multiplied by 10.

De La Hoya Notable Wins -pernell whitaker -fernando vargas -ricardo mayorga -julio cesar chavez -Hector Camacho -Arturo Gatti Notable Losses Felix Trinidad Shane Mosley Juan Manuel Marquez Notable Wins Joel Casamayor Juan Diaz Marco Antonio Barrera Rocky Juarez Robbie Peden Notable Losses Manny Pacquiao(And Draw) Chris John Marquez is not done yet. If they both retired today, then I'd choose DLH

Who has the better track? Poll to come shortly. I meant to vote for Roy but voted for Floyd by mistake

You need to go over my Floyd posts carefully. You will see that I rip on Floyd a lot; especially his legacy at 147+. I laughed when people were crediting him with a greater legacy at 147 than SRR, SRL, and Tommy Hearns...and some people thought he would whipe the floor with them all. I said I favored the other three over Floyd. For Manny: I also said I prefer to watch Manny than the 147+ version of Floyd. And, I like Manny's attitude a lot better than Floyd's. I know all about what Oscar does, but my piont was to Freddie, given his status in boxing and his health. I said Oscar deserved it for not knowing his history. Someone else in another thread pointed to Karma...so I wondered, given Freddie's position; will Karma strike him back, again...if Karma exists. I thought about the rest already and concentrated on Freddie. Roach is just a trainer, he is paid to watch out for his own fighter. This is a combat sport. Pac was getting a career high payday for that fight, and this fight will increase his earning potential for his future fights, who the **** is roach to rob him of that on some bs ethical issues. Whats next, roach should tell Pac to throw his left hand with half strength, since it might injure someone. If roach had those types of thought that you expect him to have, he is a trainer in the wrong sport, he should do something else, cuz no matter who pac fights he is going to do a longterm damage to that person to some degree.

50 years ago black people couldn't even ride the damn bus and they had to go to seperate bathrooms and places to eat. not to mention the constant persecution they endured in daily life just for being black. consider this a little well earned payback that the black people get to hold over your head for years of racism. this isn't 50 years ago. our next president is black (who i voted for by the way). get you shit together and stop using the race card

Exactly!!!! He hasn't showed that he wants it. to be fair, he did fight PW against arums wishes and it didn't turn out too well.

Here is my confliction: Freddie Roach: Freddie got Parkinson’s from fighting and he knows the dangers that fighters are in. Why would he accept a fight with Oscar at 147 given his knowing of what would happen on the scales and the dangers that come with it? He pointed to every fighter that had trouble making weight after fighting at a higher weight; especially older fighters. He also noted that Oscar couldn’t pull the trigger anymore. Knowing this, he risked the health of Oscar. True, Oscar was the one that took that risk and over-looked it, but given Freddie was a former fighter, a great trainer, and knew the history of the sport and what happens to such fighters and the dangers that come with it. So shouldn’t he have been the bigger Man and just told Oscar: “Look, I know what you are doing trying to fight Manny at 147, but the bottom line is, it isn’t safe for you as a fighter; I know you think you can do it, but History has shown otherwise. You may want this fight and think you can do it, but I will not have my fighter fighting a corpse by fight time because it will look bad on me. I could steal your money right now because I know what I know, but, I am not a thief and I care about other fighters as well as my own; especially fighters I helped train. Listen Oscar, if you feel you need to fight smaller fighters at this stage of your career and need to come down in weight to do it; just retire. Go watch Roy and Byrd and the others that tried to do it; you’re not any different. Do what you want, but hear my warning. I will not have my fighter fighting a dead corpse at 147. Freddie didn't have to have Manny fight Oscar. Manny isn't a Welterweight even though he is 147 pounds ;) And, Oscar didn't have a belt. So why did he do this? Was it all about Money? Or was it all about the side of nature we see in every-day life, especially with watching the Nature Channel: Take advantage of the Old Lion by sending in the Young and Hungry. Why do you honestly dislike Pac so much. Is it because he is threatening Floyds status in boxing? by the way, Oscar made Floyd come up in weight, made him wear gloves with less padding (hoping he would break them), made him fight in a smaller ring. So please don't try to act as if no one else is doing it. Bottom line, Oscar was just looking for an easy payday and it backfired. If he couldn't make weight, he should have fought Margarito, i'm sure he would take the fight even at 160.

Damn, Winky fell so much that he is the underdog against William? If Winky is 70% the fighter he was even agains hops, he will UD Paul EASILY. Did we forget quintana fight so soon? the 2nd fight didn't prove that Pwill cant be outboxed, and whos better at outboxing fighters than Winky.

Pacquiao - 12SD Marquez, 9TKO Diaz ( Garnering two belts this year WBC Super Featherweight and WBC Lightweight Champ) Calzaghe - 12SD Hopkins, 12UD Jones ( Garnering Light Heavyweight Ring Magazine Belt ) Margarito - KO Cintron, TKO Cotto 9 (Garnering WBO Welterweight belt and Cotto's WBA/WBC Belt? Well if u'll ask me, PACMAN's accomplishment this year is brighter than the rest since he became a 4-division Champ. How about you boxing freaks?:boxing: BHOP should have been included. controversial loss to top3 p4p fighter, and a schooling of the undefeated #1 middleweight AT AGE 43. I'm not a hopkins fan, but that does warrant a nomination for a fighter of the year prize.

DELAHOYA - PACQUIAO IS ON! --------------------------------------------------------------------------"Manny Pacquiao is considered the best fighter in boxing today and I always want to fight the best," said De La Hoya. "I am glad we were able to make this fight happen because while Pacquiao is at the pinnacle of his success and has defeated all of the top fighters he has faced, I am going to show the world that it stops with me. December 6 can't get here soon enough." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shut the fuck up!! Seriously. He is the best in his division, which is at 130 (or 135). After beating Pac, he is going to move on to Vazquez, because he is the best. After Izzy he will move on to Leila Ali, she is the best after all. This is a joke, I wish by some miracle Pac KOs him. IMO by taking this fight, he tarnished his reputation more than his running during the end of the Tito fight.

I like Joe, but Roy has a chance to make history this fight. I actually do give Roy a very good chance of pulling this off.

Alright homie you look better than me. Gay ass nikka. Go sit in your section 8 housing and play your not 360, but your XBox hahahaha. You seem to like rednecks by that gay ass video you made. Go get your fat trashy dirty white bitch, and fuck that dirty hoe. Then take your ole ninja turtle looking ass to bed on the mattress on the floor. I got more money, look better, got a better looking chick, with a better job, and more eductation than your ole broke ass. Keep staring at your little 15 inch old school monitor while I'm using a 32 inch flat screen that I spent 700 and some odd dollars on. Bitch you wish you could have my computer screen as your home television. Shut the fuck up. http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg48/htowntexan08/00186.jpg you should have bought a little cheaper monitor and got a decent keyboard with it. Very pathetic post. You must be a floyd fan.

ok, that may be so......but the pounds are the same! moving from 147 to 155 = 8 lbs... Just as moving from 135 to 143 = 8 lbs….. You gonna try and tell me 8 doesn’t equal 8? I don’t give a ---- about the weight classes, both guys moved up the same weight count to take fights…..come better, yall taking L’s right now. Bhop moving up 15lb to fight at light heavy would not be the same thing as lets say Vic Darchinyan moving up 15lb. for example: a 300lb man gaining 15lb IS NOT the same as a 100lb man gaining 15lb.

I don't find this right. He is a great boxer and deserves better than this. If u go back to my previous posts you'll see that I am not a fan of Floyd and I hope Mosly KOs him.

have clottey train at Ghana while trying to address the issue with the visa. By the time it is solved 2wk before the fight they fly to Texas for last training. y was this post ignored. I think this is the best solution.

The fact is Hatton did fight them. You refuse to answer my question; Did Hatton fighter tougher fighters then Calzaghe? Did Mayorga fight tougher fighters than Floyd?? Did Oscar fight tougher fighters than Floyd?? Did Mosly fight tougher fighters than Floyd?? Did Cotto fight tougher fighters than Floyd?? Did Tito fight tougher fighters than Floyd?? ETC................................................... Is Floyd a joke??? I don't think so. In fact I rate him higher than all of them (except Mosly IF he beats Floyd). Stop with the stupid logic.

Anyone got the Sparknotes to this shit? DLT read the rumors that may/shane fight is off and he is already making excuses as to why floyd is not at fault and shane priced himself out. If this fight doesn't get made, Floyd is a b.itch and thats the end of it.

tell me who on vic's resume pre mijares lunches him to p4p status now with the victory? why does vic get the pass over donair, since you claim vic should be p4p because he beat the man that beat the man but yet nonito beat vic so what about donaire? If vic was considered the best in the world and had 7 defenses and donair got ktfo why didnt donair get p4p status? The same reason why pwill isn't on there.

True or False? Prime vs Prime, I say Hopkins beats Roys ass, because him sticking his head out and baiting Hopkins would be a no no. Roy was known for his reflexes, I was never impressed by Roys defense in his prime compared to Hopkins and even fighters not as good as Hopkins in the defense department. "60/40 I kick yo ass" - Roy Jones. Jones was closer to being unbeatable in his prime than any fighter i've seen. Jermain beat hopkins when he wasn't very far from his "prime". After beating one fighter, as impressive as it was, he is being a little bit overrated on here. Joe beat Hopkins when he still had a lot left in his tank (proven by hops last fight). In the rematch, the decision will be even bigger cuz Joe won't be caught with the right hand that put him down in the first. Also, it was far from Joe's best performance that night. In his prime hops might have pulled out the victory, but not now. The only fight that I think would have definately beat Joe prime for prime was Jones, all the rest are question marks. I even think past prime Jones has a big chance at beating Joe.

You mean 1 lucky punch in the rematch? Because I counted about 15 "lucky" punches. the first left that hurt Q was the lucky punch, the rest were follow ups. I still think williams would win the trilogy, but i would want to see it.

This is a man who had a sig of Floyd with pig curls in his head and a Annie wig too. I never told you Baldy was the hottest thing in boxing liar lol. I posted the article. Why do I have to give YOU any reasons why Floyd didn't fight who you think he should've fought? lol, who are you? You are nothing but a fanatic. Fans here know what Floyd was doing. People have said worst here about Floyd than you. You got your account temporarily suspended because you kept following me lol. It's not just him, it was everyone, less his nuthuggers who would defend his choice of fighting my grandmother. The only problem I have with a lot of Floyd critics is that they bitch and moan about floyd not fighting so and so becaus he is a coward and businessman. and the same crowd doesn't give as much shit to margo for not fighting williams/clotey again. I like margo and liked his attitude of fighting whoever, but if he doesn't show a desire to fight williams in the near future, i'll lose a lot of respect for him, much like i lost respect for floyd. Williams seems like the type of a champ we need. His willingness to fight Pavlik really impressed me. I hope he doesn't turn into this "no one knows him, doesn't bring in money, hasn't done enough" type of guys that floyd was and margo is turning into.

LOl, you are just showing your ignorance to boxing, kid. What wrong with fighting a guy coming off a lose? Mayweather did it with Judah, and Pacquiao did it with Morales and Barrera. Comming off a loss?? When is the last time Judah won a "fight"? Its funny that nobody is mentioning clotey, who considering the controversy of the last fight, is owed a rematch (not to mention he has a belt now).

By fighting DLH, he's opting for the easier fight hence the criticism. to be fair, he wants DLH after fighting Cotto not Baldo.

Viva is funny who make outrageous claims about margo. Most posters don't take him serious anyway, I don't even think he takes himself very serious. Horus is pathetic in a way that he justifies everything Floyd does or says. He also strikes me as the type of guy that spends a significant amount of his day thinking about his next boxing scene thread. If floyd says Horus is gay, Hours would suck a dick to prove him right. Holy shit, that was very funny. Sad and pathetic part is that ViVa will suck his dick too just to prove Tony was right.... Probably, but horus would put a pic of himself sucking dick in his sig along with a message "Floyd owned the haters yet again".

Viva is funny who make outrageous claims about margo. Most posters don't take him serious anyway, I don't even think he takes himself very serious. Horus is pathetic in a way that he justifies everything Floyd does or says. He also strikes me as the type of guy that spends a significant amount of his day thinking about his next boxing scene thread. If floyd says Horus is gay, Hours would suck a dick to prove him right.

Jones Hopkins was a draw? LMFAO BERNARD HIMSELF admits the only guy that really beat him was Roy. And if bernard ADMITS is, then you know the fight must have been close to a blowout.

that's not right...... HORUS WOULD NEVER EVER SUCK FLOYD'S COCK!!! that's an utter lie and wrong! horus is floyd's cock...... or vagina................................

You stated that Corales spent time in jail and was not mentally right for the fight, is that not trying to discrediting someone's win while making excuses for the other? U did the same with toney... By the way toney was having weight issues most of his career, we just know about this particular one because he lost. And I agree with you on Corales situation, once you willingly step into the ring, then no more excuses (for most occasions). If you are not 100%, its your fault, you should have prepared better. The only valid excuse is a shot fighter, way past his best. Calzaghe beating jones now by no means means he is historically the better fighter.

I'm happy that Joe chose Jones. Do you guys realize what would happen to Jones legacy if he won (which I give him a very good chance at doing so)? I like both fighters, but Jones is one of my all time favorites, and I hope he pulls out a victory. Calzaghes lack of punching power takes away Roy's biggest weakness.