Now he's being a pussy. Get you ass to that ring Froch!
How is he being a pussy? If he can't get there he can't get there. What do you want him to do? Wii box him online?
If Bernard Hopkins refuses to retire there are less than a handful of options for him at this point of his career. He refuses to acknowledge that he's no longer(and hasn't been for quite sometime) a fighter worthy of a $50 PPV price tag.
So where does the Executioner go from here? Feel free to speculate!
I think it's fair to say that he won't get a shot at Haye, no matter how much he screams and cries for it. I also think it's fair to say a prime Haye dominates or seriously hurts a much weaker Hopkins.
The only thing, other than retirement, that I could possibly see for Hopkins is another fight against Glen Johnson on a regular HBO WCB card if Johnson fights and beats Cloud.
Thoughts...
I know what you mean but he's still a top 5 p4p fighter. Sad that, really, doesn't say much for the state of boxing these days! Or maybe it says something about the quality of B-Hop...?
And I'm sorry, I have no idea how anyone can say that Dirrell beat Froch. I have genuinely never been to a live fight where the "away" fighter fought so scared. Terrible performance from him, he looked like a different fighter against Abraham.
I can remember saying to people at the start of this tournament that if someone went through undefeated it'd be a hell of an achievment. I think Ward will do it, though. Don't see anyone in the tourny that can beat him.
You lot make me laugh. Cotto will win this fight, and I really don't understand why everyone's so hung up on Tony. He's gonna get KTFO, mark my words. And I'm gonna be on here tomorrow LMFAO
I hear you.
Shame on Oscar if Margarito isn't installed as the #1 choice for the opponent in his swansong fight.
That would be something to watch. Better than the De La Hoya-Pacquiao freakshow.
But we know Oscar won't make that fight.
What the fuck is going on with your writing?
Rightfully so, because you in fact talked far too much shit.
I thought I talked shit about Lacy supposedly beating Calzaghe, fuck.
I did talk shit about it, but not as much as a lot of people on here. I mean, I've only got 1750 posts in total so it couldnt have been that much, lol.
But I was wrong and I admit it. I totally underestimated Margarito, and am pleased for him. Him and Cotto are both the types of fighters I admire, so I hope he continues this vein of form and has a lot of success
Castillo, Coralles, Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Hernandez, De La Hoya, Jesus Chaves, Ndou, Gatti...against a well before his prime Hopkins and James Toney?!
Floyd wins this one hands down, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking blind nut hugger. Jones looked a lot better, I love his style but he just didn't fight ANYONE!!!
personally i think he's only made it to the position he's in through lack of quality opposition being there to face him thus far... I really don't believe that he looks unbeatable and a top pound-for-pound fighter (discounting his performance against Gary Lockett, because Lockett is a clear bum)
i think Calzaghe would make relatively easy work of him
it's funny that Roy Jones Jr right now seems to go from being completely underrated to slightly overrated from thread-to-thread on here... it seems people change their tune when it suits them? people in this particular thread are definitely overlooking his chance at beating Calzaghe though
I've never flip flopped in my belief that Roy Jones wasted his talent and is trying to make up for it now he's shot to pieces. I've always said that Joe shouldn't fight Roy, and what makes it even funnier is that Joe has said in the past how shot Roy is and how it's a waste of time fighting him. It's a pathetic fight for Joe to take when he has a golden opportunity to prove the world wrong sitting right there in Youngstown, Ohio.
They have seen it. Theyre fanboys they just dont want the nuts they hug to go down losing to an american fighter who has to move up to beat him.
Look I'm on here slating Calzaghe for taking this fight and the Yanks won't even let me into the States. There are people on here simply getting behind Joe because he's a British fighter who in their eyes can do know wrong, but we're not all like that.
And the only reason I care about Pavlik being American is because Joe would get more credit for beating him due to the fact he's a yank. If Kessler was American he would have gotten a hell of a lot more credit for that win.
exactly, and to be honest i don't think the fight is too far from a 50-50 fight myself... i'd say around 60-40 in Joe's favour
I'm sorry but I think it would be a much higher percentage of people that would pick Pavlik to win. How can you possibly say that RJJ poses more of a threat at this stage in his career than Pavlik does? Pavlik is young, undefeated, the undisputed middleweight champion of the world and looking like one of if not the most lethal fighter on the planet. I'm really dissapointed in Joe taking Roy over Kelly, really dissapointed.
Pavlik is a much higher risk fight and in Pavlik Joe has the opportunity to finally put to bed all the accusations that he hasn't fought a world class fighter in his prime. And instead he decides to fight Roy Jones. Cheers Joe.
Haye's main problem at heavyweight's gonna be his chin, but his punch power, speed of punch, balance and timing are all better than 95% of heavyweights out there right now. I genuinely believe he's a future linear heavyweight champion, unless his chin lets him down.
Haye loves fighting people that are taller than him, and the overhand right isn't his only punch. He does need a better defense because of his weak chin, but if he works at that I think he'll go all the way at h/w. And if he doesn't, at least you know his fights'll be a lot more exciting than most heavyweight fights we get these days.
I think Hopkins will win against Pavlik, I've just got a feeling about it. I think he will negate his power and outbox him.
As for Roy, he shouldn't beat Calzaghe but as has been said, his determination and focus may carry him through
Not all Americans on here hate the British fighters, it's just the ones that do are more vocal than the ones that don't, plus we tend to remember them more. And to be honest our fight scene is pretty pathetic compared with what the Americans have dished out, even given the disparity in size between the two countries. When you think of legends you think of Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Hagler, Pep, Marciano (I don't care what anyone else thinks he's a legend to me), Louis, Johnson, Langford etc etc. British legends are on a lower echelon, think Bruno, Hatton, Benn, Eubank, Hamed, Cooper etc. So I think that when they see us arguing about how great British boxing is they kind of find it funny.
I do think Calzaghe is under rated by them, though, and I think Haye could make big waves. Khan's an over exposed hype job though who'll be KO'd the minute he fights someone his own size, and Calzghe's wasting his time fighting Roy.
Toney was definitely very weight drained for this fight as I've said many times on this board, but that was definitely written by a Toney fan. And I also didn't find the fight boring. I do think it's bizarre though that Jones fans hold this fight up as an example of why Roy should be considered an all time great. Ask any Roy fan who he beat and they'll say "James Toney and Bernard Hopkins". Toney was weight drained and Hopkins was not the fighter he grew to become. Neither of these wins were out of this world, and this article re-enforced that, albeit a little biasedly.
Terrific post Chunk, both fair and objective.
The hating needs to stop it's old already. I really wish ppl would just embrace competition no matter who it is or where they fit into your preference list or not.
I didn't know Haye took not great stakes from some of his fights, nor that you know of him personally. Any further details on that be good as I'm intrigued.
Just enjoy the ride man, HW division needs some spark even if it's only that, that will benefit the HW division as a whole.
Couldn't agree more.
David Haye is finally making us talk about the heavyweight division. He's out there calling people out and trying to make fights happen, and he has only been in 1 boring fight his entire life so his foray into the divison is going to be exciting. Why all the hate?
he tryin to say this is oscars era and not RJJ?
I just think these are two great fighters from the same era but Roy looks destined to go down as the better fighter despite the fact that Oscar took on all comers and inevitably lost some. Roy didn't really fight anyone and once he did he got KTFO.
That makes it sound like I don't think Roy was as good as he looked - I do, I just wish (as a Roy fan) that he'd fought tougher opposition.
Sick motherfucker. If you got a point to make, just make it.
Don't try all these loop hole questions.
How is it a loop hole question?
Funny thing is, you're the guy that made me think of it saying the DLH is a fraud when you have Roy in your sig.
I think he could beat him. Pavlik's not necessarily the most talented fighter in terms of skills, plus Hopkins is excellent defensively. I think Hopkins might pull off the upset here.
James Toney > Antonio Tarver...
Completely looking past the fact he came down from HW, and the fact that he went 50 straight fights undefeated, from Middleweight to Heavyweight and back down to lightheavyweight, before getting knocked out at 35, would be outrageous.
And the only Disqualification, immediately rematched and avenged by a first round KO... Roy literally made history with his resume
Oscars opponent list is better than roys, but IMO roys achievments are better than oscars..
So if that's the case then what about Calzaghe staying undefeated 11 years, defending his title 21 times, being undisputed champion at 168 and 175...?
But he (Calzaghe) didn't fight anyone and that's the problem I have with both fighters. Toney was severely weight drained. Roy's fault? No but it does tarnish the win. Hopkins chased a rematch for years once he became a better fighter and didn't get it, why? It would have been a huge fight but Roy didn't want it. IMO he's one of the most protected fighters in modern history.
Joe stayed in the same weight class the entire time... now if that was the WW division, then that would be glorious.. but it wasnt, it was the weakest division in the entire sport.
And Joe IS/WAS not undisputed at 175...
You might wanna do your research.... I read a back and forth interview that went on for 3 days straight at BTALK.com
Bernard said hed like to fight ROY for a 50/50 split... roy immediately came back, and said he appreciated Bernard being fair, and was excited, and told BTalk to tell Bernard send over the contract, and lets do this.
Well Bernard did send the contract over, Roy Immediately called BTalk, and told us what the contract said.
AFTER GOLDEN BOY TAKES 25%... THEN Roy and Bernard Will split it 50/50.
Does that sound like a 50/50 split to you? and does it sound like Roy was the one who didnt want the fight?
If your gonna make a point, try to at least think it through.
And I like how you use James Toney being weight drained as a reason for him losing... yet bringing up weight drainage for Roy, is just an excuse.
Double standards get a little reedickyaluss around here sometimes.
On that note, i Gata leave. :kiss:
Sorry for the late reply mate been busy since yesterday!
My point re Calzaghe and Jones wasn't that Calzaghe had achieved more than Jones (I couldnt see Joe winning a title at heavyweight for example) merely that Joe isn't going into anyone's top 5 of all time lists whereas I do see people putting Jones into this bracket, somewhere that I really don't think he belongs. Again allow me to reiterate that I feel he COULD have been held up with these guys but that he simply didn't fight the opposition needed to hold such a lofty position. In regards to the Hopkins fight, I feel it should have happened much sooner than the proposed rematch was planned for. I also feel that both fighters should have done more to make it happen. With regards to that particular fight, I didnt really care about it at that point as B-Hop had lost two to Jermaine Taylor and Jones been spread all over the canvas. But yeah, it wasn't really Roy's fault it didnt happen at that time.
NO. Because 5 fights later he was the MW champion for the next 10 years.
couldnt of been TOO green
Of course he could. There is no way that Roy was on the same level as B-Hop then, Hopkins hadn't had the time to learn his trade. Also, five fights is quite a lot really. The difference between a fighter that's 15-0 and 20-0 can be quite considerable, in British terms it could be the difference between being British champion and European or even world (although over here it's normally the WBZ version lol) champion. It was also 2 years later. Not only that but B-Hop didn't fight top tier fighters until years later. The thing is, we're not saying that Roy didn't have skills because B-Hop was green when he fought him, we're just saying that if that's your best win it's really not as good as it looks on paper. Surely you can't disagree with that?
No I Believe That Calslappy Wouldve Beat Him Anyway It Was Just The Most Embarassing Stoppage Ive Ever Seen Thats All.
Why The Capital Letters At The Start Of Every Word I Am Trying It Now It Is Really Fucking Annoying I Couldn't Type Like This And It Looks Really Weird.
Calzaghe himself said he wished it wasn't stopped when it was. What can you do, I was there that night and was fuming with the ref, what a prick.