When Roy Jones Jr is clearly the more high risk/low reward fight of the two options? (low reward in the sense that he'll get less praise if he wins and will lose a lot more legacy-wise if he loses; i'm not sure about the money side of things)
Jones may not be what he once was BUT even at 30% of his prime self he's better than Pavlik, plus he'll be more motivated for this fight than he was for almost any other fight in his career AND he's better stylistically suited to beating Joe than Pavlik is...
and i believe that if Pavlik was to move up and fight Roy Jones Jr he'd lose
everyone voting Pavlik, can you leave some sort of reasoning please?
what threat do you think Pavlik poses to Calzaghe that RJJ doesn't?
For starters, he fight 3 minutes of every round, not just 30 second. If this was the Roy from 7 or 8 years ago it wouldn't even be a question of who was more dangerous. But being that it isn't, I don't think there is any question Pav is the more dangerous fight.
Yeah, and the same thing goes for PAc. Guzman and Valero have been following the man since 130.
Pac has fought the best. He will definitely do it at 130 just watch.
sturm doesn't want any dude. arum has tried- he prefers making butt loads of money fighting bums in germany. they were hoping griffith would win b/c he said he wanted to fight pavlik next if he did...
sturm is a champion he's going to have to fight pavlik and abraham eventually
sturm has a tittle so why not fight him and sturm only has 2 losses and 1 was a bullshit lost to delahoya.that doesn't explain why kelly is fighting 1 of the ww champions instead of fighting a middleweight or supermiddlewight.
sturm doesn't want any dude. arum has tried- he prefers making butt loads of money fighting bums in germany. they were hoping griffith would win b/c he said he wanted to fight pavlik next if he did...
sturm has a tittle so why not fight him and sturm only has 2 losses and 1 was a bullshit lost to delahoya.that doesn't explain why kelly is fighting 1 of the ww champions instead of fighting a middleweight or supermiddlewight.
Because BOB ARUM wants BIG NAME fights. The guy is a moron, and I agree that although Pavlik vs. Williams could be very interesting it makes little sense.
Why does everybody ask this fucking question? If you idiots kept up on boxing you would know that AA has a mandatory to fight first and Sturm...gimme a break that guy would get KO'd. Pavlik doesn't have any quality opposition to fight until 2009...
sturm has a tittle so why not fight him and sturm only has 2 losses and 1 was a bullshit lost to delahoya.that doesn't explain why kelly is fighting 1 of the ww champions instead of fighting a middleweight or supermiddlewight.
i dont know who is better equiped for calzaghe honestly, and neither can anyone else really. its speculation until they enter the ring, BUT...
kelly is the more obvious challenge. he is younger, more dangerous, has more stamina and is more durable than Jones. On the other hand, he may be too slow to avoid calzaghe outworking, outlanding, and outmaneuvering him. Calzaghe can take a shot, and knows how to adapt as seen in Kessler/Hopkins fights.
even in roy's diminished state, he could be the tougher matchup because of his handspeed and because of the respect calzaghe is showing him. roy already might be winnning the mental game just because of the reverence and respect which calzaghe is giving him. remember how tarver ko'ed him? he said in the corner "don't talk about respect!" and he showed him none!
why doesn't kelly fight sturm or abraham why fight williams
Why does everybody ask this fucking question? If you idiots kept up on boxing you would know that AA has a mandatory to fight first and Sturm...gimme a break that guy would get KO'd. Pavlik doesn't have any quality opposition to fight until 2009...
there is no way kelly could beat joe,pavlik stands right in front of his opponents, he doesn't really use to much movement, that might be a good way to fight against miranda and taylor but not against calzaghe
the mighty Pavlik after being refused a Calzaghe fight is set to fight Paul Williams. Wow he's such a badass :lol1:
lol yeah its his fault hes being ducked and Bob Arum is a delusional old jew.
everyone voting Pavlik, can you leave some sort of reasoning please?
what threat do you think Pavlik poses to Calzaghe that RJJ doesn't?
Devastating KO loss and much less of a payday.
People said Joe should've fought PAv, but at what weight. He gave up his super middle title so what is Cal supposed to do, fight a yonger guy at a catch weight? Pav and his people issued the challenge so why not go to 175? I'll tell you why. They offered nothing but a smoke screen. Tell PAv to fight Abraham. Pav has not said one word about Abraham after Abraham said he would love to fight him and dlh. AA wants to beat dlh because of what happened to Sturm. Fight AA Pavlik with your big, tall, bumper car head.
good points well made, esp. the bumper car head bit
And the only reason I care about Pavlik being American is because Joe would get more credit for beating him due to the fact he's a yank. If Kessler was American he would have gotten a hell of a lot more credit for that win.
Joe doesnt get that much credit for beating Kessler because Kessler hasnt faced the opposition that Kelly has.
Being American has nothing to do with it. Teh boxing community wants to see Joe fight the best. Which is not Roy Jones at this point in his career.
Its the same for mayweather. You cant be P4P and not fight the best in and most dangerous in the game
They have seen it. Theyre fanboys they just dont want the nuts they hug to go down losing to an american fighter who has to move up to beat him.
Look I'm on here slating Calzaghe for taking this fight and the Yanks won't even let me into the States. There are people on here simply getting behind Joe because he's a British fighter who in their eyes can do know wrong, but we're not all like that.
And the only reason I care about Pavlik being American is because Joe would get more credit for beating him due to the fact he's a yank. If Kessler was American he would have gotten a hell of a lot more credit for that win.
You can't be serious. Roy is well past it. Kelly has basically blow away the competition in his last 5-6 fights and made a name for himself. Are you serious? Kelly is the stronger younger fighter.
This could be an easy fight depending on which Jones shows up. Be honest. Kelly is a beast. What hasn't he shown you in his fights to get respect?
They have seen it. Theyre fanboys they just dont want the nuts they hug to go down losing to an american fighter who has to move up to beat him.
You can't be serious. Roy is well past it. Kelly has basically blow away the competition in his last 5-6 fights and made a name for himself. Are you serious? Kelly is the stronger younger fighter.
This could be an easy fight depending on which Jones shows up. Be honest. Kelly is a beast. What hasn't he shown you in his fights to get respect?
Please.
There is a reason Enzo said Joe would never fight Pavlik.
Pavlik has boxing ability, chin and power, and is UNDEFATED.
He has the tools to beat Joe, and a win over the middleweight champ is a high reward fight.
Roy is a shadow of his former self, and Joe himself said that a fight with Jones would be pointless because he is so far gone from what he was.
I don't think it's high reward, except in the sense that beating Oscar was high reward for Hopkins.
I don't even count Oscar-Hopkins as a successful defense of the middleweight title, nor would I count a win over Pavlik as a defense of the Ring LHW title.