at 160-168 i cant think of anybody i who would beat him.at 175 i would like moorer,holyfield,and spinks over him
Holyfield never fought at 175 as a pro.
Moorer had an awesome record at 175 but was rather untested, sort of like Edwin Valero when he died. Undefeated, all wins by KO, but with resumes that consisted of a couple wins over top 10 guys, nothing special. Moorer looked pretty sloppy against Leslie Stewart, probably the best guy he faced there.
I'd make Jones the solid favorite over Moorer.
I don't really buy into the "unbeatable" thing. Different times, different situations and circumstances. Say he was born 50-60 years earlier and had to fight 15+ times a year to make a living. Well, no matter how great you are, you're bound to have an off-night here and there, or run into a real tough style matchup.
Rocky Marciano never lost, well do you think he would've been undefeated if he were born 20 years later? Michael Spinks never lost in his prime, but the Eddie Davis fight was close and Spinks fought at LHW 26 times in an 8 year period. By contrast, Archie Moore fought 24 times in 24 months in the early 50s.
I wouldn't make Roy the favorite over Spinks or Bob Foster anyway.
Roy Jones beat a lot of good fighters. His win against Toney deserves recognition, but it's obvious Toney was not at his best. His win against Ruiz deserves the same, then again Toney did the same thing injured and out of shape.
Still, unbeatable? He never dominated any great fighters to make him look unbeatable. He dominated a weight drained Toney who I wouldn't consider "great" at the time.
That's a pretty lame excuse. If you used excuses each time, no fighter has a great win. Toney was in his prime (28), undefeated, and was coming off a magnificent performance only four months earlier.
But it didn't. There was so many fights that would have been nice to see Jones take but somehow he avoided them. He did fight Pazienza though. Great fighter....
Bat, Vinnie P. was a great fighter, no doubt, Gatti-like, but was really outgunned by Jones, I think he had come up from a Junior lightweight title, or thereabouts. Too small, about
5'6-7", really only a little guy.
LMAO..name me a fighte in the 90's that was better than Roy..
name me a fighter in their primes other than Ray Robinson who was more untouchable in their primes!!
:spank:
The man in your avatar is better then Roy Jones Jr. I'd say.
Roy Jones beat a lot of good fighters. His win against Toney deserves recognition, but it's obvious Toney was not at his best. His win against Ruiz deserves the same, then again Toney did the same thing injured and out of shape.
Still, unbeatable? He never dominated any great fighters to make him look unbeatable. He dominated a weight drained Toney who I wouldn't consider "great" at the time.
No one is unbeatable but Roy at 168 is the closest thing to SRR at 147 as unbeatable as you can be.
I think Jones was alevel above Leonard. Leonard could be pressured and tagged, Jones couldn't.
Nunn lost to Rochi because he could not handle the pressure he was being put under, if he could of kept the fight in the centre ring he may have done a lot better but he could not and got outworked.
Nunn never looked comfortable when pressured imo( Barkley), although in his prime he was able to pick off on the way in (Roldan) because he had better reflexes etc.
Yes but in his prime he would've handled Rochigianni - if he were a full fledged LHW.
RJJ was exceptional. Maybe the greatest talent boxing has seen since SRR, and certainly since Ali. Unbeatable? No. But extremely tough to beat.
His punch resistance isnt the best, but is that a matter now of aging, or did he just not face a big enough banger in the days gone by? These are the questions we will always ask.
Legend.
It isn't neccessary for a fighter to prove he's unbeatable by sticking out his chin to allow a free punch. We should assume that at least ONE TIME in his dazzling prime he got a wallop on the chin, and as far as we all know, he survived it with no bother. The Tarver punch was when Jones was long past his prime, although still a top fighter, so it is not an example to be quoted.
My own opinion is that, since we can only pass judgement on the evidence we actually have, including factual events, and since we can't legitimately speculate on "maybe" "perhaps", "everybody gets old" etc. we must come to the conclusion that,
"in his prime he was unbeatable", because that's exactly what happened.
And don't bring up that ridiculous DQ.
Roy did look good beating up bums didn't he....
why does everybody say that? these guys were good but be honest rJJ would have killed these guys. James toney was way..... better than all of these(Frankie Liles
Gerald McClellan
Chris Eubank)
Nunn was still pretty solid at 175 but nowhere near where he was at 160. He still would've given Jones hell. I was actually quite surprised that he lost to Rochigianni but I guess he was a done deal at that point. Rochigianni was past his prime as well and I doubt he would've given Jones much trouble. He was originally slated to face Jones in January 2000 but pulled out and disappeared for some time after that. Nevertheless, the WBA's decisiont o strip him prior to that was an absolute travesty.
Nunn lost to Rochi because he could not handle the pressure he was being put under, if he could of kept the fight in the centre ring he may have done a lot better but he could not and got outworked.
Nunn never looked comfortable when pressured imo( Barkley), although in his prime he was able to pick off on the way in (Roldan) because he had better reflexes etc.
I've tried to look for that fight but had no luck so far. Same with Liles fights, those things are like Golddust.
Yeah, good luck with that. I saw it once - when it occured. And I think it was a couple weeks after the fight transpired.
It would of been a great fight even though Nunn was way past prime at that point. I can't find any of his LHW fights, but I did see his fight with Scully and his legs were "gone", kind of like Jones's legs now.
Nunn was still pretty solid at 175 but nowhere near where he was at 160. He still would've given Jones hell. I was actually quite surprised that he lost to Rochigianni but I guess he was a done deal at that point. Rochigianni was past his prime as well and I doubt he would've given Jones much trouble. He was originally slated to face Jones in January 2000 but pulled out and disappeared for some time after that. Nevertheless, the WBA's decisiont o strip him prior to that was an absolute travesty.