pac loses to:
1. genaro hernandez- ud over pac
2. Diego corrales- brutally kos pac
3. castillo - brutal tko
4. zab judah- ud over pac
5. Shane mosley - ko over pac
6. oscar de la hoya- ko over pac
7. Juan manuel marquez - lmao already done brutal ko
8. canelo alvarez - brutal ko over pac
pac has lost 5 times already lmao before you pacboys get a conniption look at his losses and tell me any of the above fighters werent better then the men who defeated him..
Of course we'll never know but i don't think he could.
A prime Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo have a really great chance of beating Pacquiao. Even prime Zab Juda's style could of given Manny his fair share of trouble. Oscar at 154 would take the punishment much better, fight would of been more competitive for Manny. Canelo is too big and strong, fight could go either way.
My conclusion; No, i do not think Manny could go undefeated fighting the same guys as Mayweather and at the same time and weight Floyd beat em.
he got koed by marquez so the answer is automatically no..lmao
OP great post Duran is very overrated if you place him in the top 20 ATG list. he is not overrated if you place him in the top 50 ATG.
his 135 run is overrated as he beat no other ATG at 135 or even close to it.
he had no sustained run at 147, 154, or 160 losing to all of the greats of his era in brutal fashion.
pernell, chavez, toney, hopkins, roy, and floyd rate above him.
I think duran would definitely beat pacquiao who is even more overrated then duran!:peeright:
the best fighters are not white, and that bothers a certain segment of the population.
nate is spot on and the hate floyd receives from non-black people is due to their jealousy.
when floyd retires another black man will take over the p4p#1 spot.
Boxing is a dance, an art, a song with the visual movement of notes.
This why a casual fan or fan boy cannot relate. Its really not about kos. It really isn't....
great post..
six years of hearing floyd is scared of that midget, you bet we are going to let them have it!!:nutkick:
manny pacquaio was the final fig leaf the glue that held their hatred for floyd together. now that he is crushed and demoralized and put back in his rightful place, which is no where near floyd's name!
Mayweather is so blessed and must be TBE because he is the most envied and polarizing boxer in history. Now I'm beginning to believe that it's more than just personal. The ones who hate him seems to do so because of his success and talent in the ring and mostly because he isn't one of them, look like them or come from them and it really hurts them.
You just now realizing this lol
it's about race period. duran didn't beat anyone of note at 135. got lucky vs leonard in the first fight and went on to lose to every great fighter of his era.
duran was 16-6 in title fights hardly better than hagler, leonard, or hearns who domianted their respective weight classes in emphatic fashion.
duran like pacquiao is not black so he rates higher in non-blacks eyes. but he definitely did not accomplish more career wise compared to the other 4 greats of his era.
floyd like leonard are the best of their era and beat everyone put in front of them
Well, Duran did dominate his weight class emphatically. As emphatically as Hagler, but unlike Hagler, he then moved up and kept winning against the greatest of the others. What would we think of Hagler if after dominating 160 as he did, he then moved up and beat Spinks, then moved up again and kept winning?
so after fighting no one at 135 of any note he moves up to 147 and goes 1-5 against the best fighters of his era. no way he rates above hagler who dominated a far tougher division in 160 then duran at 135. duran did nothing in moving up because if he was half as goods as you say he would have been able to actually win his biggest fights instead of going 1-5.
ok and for the record
1. hagler 2-1 unified toughest division in boxing
2. Leonard 3-1 beat the best fighters of his era in dominating fashion
3. Hearns 2-2 beat duran like a step child went to to toe vs hagler
4. benitez 1-2 beat duran in his prime lost to leonard and hearns
5. duran - 1-2 no mas vs leonard and koed vs hearns nuff said! lmao
In terms of skill or all time rankings? Cause all time its Pac. Hagler is one of the greatest MW's ever but is he better all time then Monzon,SRR,Greb? Pac is a 8 division champ, 4 time lineal champ, and has a chance to be the first 5 time lineal champ in history with his upcoming fight.
pac and his fictional eight titles lol. marvin unified and dominated the toughest weight class in boxing for 7 years knocking out all challengers to his throne besides duran and leonard. pac couldnt caqrry marvin's jockstrap. when floyd ets thru with him all the smoke and mirrors will be over and his false career of fighting drained and waahed up fighters for titles will be shown to the world as not being real.
so all of this negative racism is acceptable because its over the internet?
bro racism is in bedded in their DNA you can't rationalize with these people. they are sick and rotten to the core. and trust me when floyd sparks pacquiao it will only get worse.
floyd is the only guy in boxing right now who is the lineal unified champ of two divisions and he gets constantly trolled by racists who live to demean his accomplishments and any other black man who is doing well in their racist system.
nothing tops duran quitting against sugar ray other than pac getting ktfo by marquez..broner and chavez did far betrer than duran and pac did lmao..fail thread
Yeah, you can tell it does. That fight will always be remembered for Duran quitting, not for Leonard winning the rematch.
another duran fan boy..you guys are like cancer! duran quit because ray was beating him like a little child. no way does duran quits unless he was getting beat up!
ray made him quit, tommy koed him cold, benitez made him look like an amateur, and hagler beat him pillar to post. thats 1-5 against the best fighters of his era..
I do believe that Mayweather doesn't hate Pacquiao though. I sincerely think that. He expressed his feeling on Pac way too many times. It's a shame some of his fanbase doesn't give Manny the same respect... #realtalk
we don't hate manny, he's just not as good as floyd. point blank. manny like de la hoya is a media creation that you guys latched onto and made great. manny is a good fighter hof quality but he is not on the same level as floyd and it will show on may 2nd
harton has always been overrated no way is he atg but if they let barry mcguigasn in the hof and arturo gatti then hatton may get in but not before castillo and corrales get in.
"robbery against barkely", I am done man.
you were done the moment you responded to my post.. i bet your a pacquiao fan when floyd ends this fraud like ray ended the myth of roberto duran i will rejoice.
Duran beating atg is pretty much like saying if maidana beat floyd in the first fight that he's an atg
that's how they think..lol doesn't matter that duran lost every important fight afterward he only needs to beat one atg and he is the best fighter to ever live..NOT!!!!
he's at best top 40 and i'm being generous..he lost to every elite fighter he faced and to add on to your analysis.
after 135 duran never defended any title he won. duran is the manny pacquiao of his era good action fighter but got strached evertime he stepped up to mfight the best of his era.
Starched every time? He has probably the best win in history
you gota be joking..one close decision over ray leonard does not make him top ten atg especially when he quits in the rematch and gets koed by tommy hearns.
duran has no legacy outside of 135 no way one close win makes him top ten atg.
A thing idiots like you will never understand is that it never is about who you lost to but who you won against. Look at Ali's and Robinson's records, they are littered with losses but they are also packed with great wins. Duran beating another ATG fighter in Leonard at his prime after moving up to the guy's weight is a great win close or not, Duran beating a true middleweight in Barkley(fresh after knocking out Hearns no less) after starting at lightweight is a great win, beating David Moore a dangerous upcoming prospect after everybody thought he was done and bloated at the weight is a good win, and considering all of this was after his prime when he was decimating the lightweight division, it makes all of this even more impressive.
you have very los standards..that's what makes you an idiot. how many title defenses of the 160 title he won in a robbery against barkely did he make?
duran lost to every fighter who was good in his era no way he makes it into my top ten let alone top 30.. and losses do matter.