The heavyweight division was heating up for the first time since Louis Schmeling, You had Floyd Patterson as the champ, Sonny Liston waiting in the wings. Within 5years of Marcianos retirement already Cassius Clay was one of the most famous athletes in north america. How come Marciano didn't atleast fight Floyd Patterson who was the no.1 contender before his retirement and was considered the only truly great prime heavyweight around at the time of Marciano's retirement?:boxing:
Marciano had a bad back and he hated his manager. Patterson was fighting in the 170's when Rocky last fought and the truth is that D'Amato never wanted anything to do with him. He was being groomed to succeed Marciano, not beat him.
Yo mama, yo daddy, yo greasy granny got a hole in her panties, got a big behind like Frankenstein, goin' toot toot toot like a prostitute, goin' beep beep beep down Sesame Street.
Enemy vanquished.
LOL you are so ignorant, but thanks for the good laugh
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Yo mama, yo daddy, yo greasy granny got a hole in her panties, got a big behind like Frankenstein, goin' toot toot toot like a prostitute, goin' beep beep beep down Sesame Street.
Enemy vanquished.
He was used up, he took a lot of beatings, he had a great career and most importantly he had money. I seen a documentary on him where the first gym he went into told him to quit before he gets hurt (glad he didn't listen). The main reason he never lost was his will and desire, so if he wasn't 100% up for a fight, he more than likely would have lost and/ or got hurt.
Also he seen fighters who fought too long (he didn't want to fight Joe Louis), he probably didn't want to end up ruining his legacy that he worked so hard for.
Rocky was comfortable financially. He was very greedy when it came to money and never paid any drinks to friends etc. There is an article where he was out with Willie Pep and other friends at a bar. Pep said that he will pay the next round. Rocky told him that he is not going to spend any money and neither should he. Pep said that he earned his money the hard way and was determined to keep it :D.
Rocky also started boxing at a late age, and took a few punishments to get that great record. It is very difficult for a heavyweight to surpass that record.
Well, as much as we all revere Marciano... I think his retirement was bad for boxing in a way. I don't know because I've never really researched it, but I think Marciano leaving only slightly past his prime created the "Undefeated Record" craze. I get that your marketability goes down with a loss, but it shouldn't cause people to write you off.
I'm not naming names , but we have people today that think an undefeated record matters more for their legacy than a history of consistently fighting the very best; to the point where they even claim they are better than past greats solely because they "haven't lost".
Some how, some way in any thread somebody has to mention Floyd.
Jesus Christ stay on the theme
Marciano suffered from a cronic bad back since he was a young man.
As training years continue the pain he dealt with through training for fights got to be to much to deal with.
He fought 49 times from 47--55 thats alot of work load on a back thats damaged.
As for Liston as an opponent Sonny wasn't even in 10 rounders when Marciano retired so he wasn't a contender yet!
The public has the Mayweather vs Marciano record really confuused.
The Marciano record was always compared to other heavyweights records.
First off Marciano won his fights at heavyweight Mayweathers fought a5t 5 or 6 different weight classes.
Hell Sugar Ray put together two undefeated streaks with more than 80 wins BOTH times.
Mayweathers streak pales compared to both.
Ray
The best thing i like about some boxers is when to know to give it up. Its not about chasing a record or the "0". its about knowing when the body is done.
True. Sometimes I think it's harder for fans to let go. Look and Lennox. He retired and never looked back. Half the world kept their fingers crossed for years hoping he'd rematch Vitali. Never happened. Lewis probably hat another 5 or 6 years where he could have competed at the top level. But he left when he did and will likely live a long healthy life because of it.
The best thing i like about some boxers is when to know to give it up. Its not about chasing a record or the "0". its about knowing when the body is done.
Floyd Patterson is better than anyone prime fighter Marciano had ever faced. Although ill concede he would've been favourite because he's soo much tougher, Patterson is way faster with better peekaboo style defense that would've given Marciano his toughest war of his career
Was Patterson really better than anybody else Rocky fought? This is going back a long way and I'm not exactly a student of 1940/50s boxing.
I've seen film of Floyd's fights though. He was a very good boxer, but no bigger than Rocky and notoriously glass-chinned. He was KO'd by Johannson, who seemed to have nothing but a big right hand, and the right hand was also Rocky's favourite punch.
Rocky was aggressive, powerful, and he had a great engine. 15 rounds is a long time to protect a vulnerable chin against a guy like that.
With Rocky's style and body build, he took a lot of head punches and got cut nearly every fight he had. Plastic surgery back then was very crude and basic compared to the post-fight medical care available to modern day boxers.
Rocky had scar tissue round his eyes and nose that would tear open the first time a punch landed on it and the more fights he had, the worse it got.
Looking at the men who held the title after he retired - Floyd Patterson then the Swede, Ingemar Johannson, then Patterson again, I think he could maybe have gone on a little longer.
He would have been favourite to beat both of them, but we don't know how he was feeling and performing in the gym and whether his heart was still in it.
Floyd Patterson is better than anyone prime fighter Marciano had ever faced. Although ill concede he would've been favourite because he's soo much tougher, Patterson is way faster with better peekaboo style defense that would've given Marciano his toughest war of his career
With Rocky's style and body build, he took a lot of head punches and got cut nearly every fight he had. Plastic surgery back then was very crude and basic compared to the post-fight medical care available to modern day boxers.
Rocky had scar tissue round his eyes and nose that would tear open the first time a punch landed on it and the more fights he had, the worse it got.
Looking at the men who held the title after he retired - Floyd Patterson then the Swede, Ingemar Johannson, then Patterson again, I think he could maybe have gone on a little longer.
He would have been favourite to beat both of them, but we don't know how he was feeling and performing in the gym and whether his heart was still in it.
Well, as much as we all revere Marciano... I think his retirement was bad for boxing in a way. I don't know because I've never really researched it, but I think Marciano leaving only slightly past his prime created the "Undefeated Record" craze. I get that your marketability goes down with a loss, but it shouldn't cause people to write you off.
I'm not naming names , but we have people today that think an undefeated record matters more for their legacy than a history of consistently fighting the very best; to the point where they even claim they are better than past greats solely because they "haven't lost".
Because, after 49 fights the body is usually done. Especially with the gear and medicine available back then. Is it better to get battered like Ali? The guy had an incredible career, it's cheap to say that wasn't good enough. There is no nobility in getting destroyed once your body has stated to wear. If he retired in his 20's, maybe you'd have an argument.
I agree with this. Rocky may well have continued to fight but I am not in dispute of why he didn't. He turned pro in '47 and retired in '55, which is a short career so going off that argument you could well argue that he could have gone at least another five years and been around there with Patterson, Liston, Johansson...etc and the dawn of Ali. I would understand that argument.
But, as you say, why keep fighting for the sake of it just so you can hang around another few years for another generation to build steam and lose a few times when you can look at yourself as the undefeated champ of your era.