I had Peterson winning 7-5, but it could of been a draw or a Garcia 7-5 win.
This is one of those fights where I feel more 10-8 non knockdown rounds should be scored. When Garcia won his rounds, he did just enough. When Peterson won his, he clearly out boxed and beat up Garcia bad.
He is incredibly slick and skilled when he's focused. But he likes to take chances and go for the knockout. When you do that, you will get hit, but even then he's still tough to hit clean.
That's great stuff. It seemed like Mosley went out of his way to give Pacquiao no credit. Earlier he had said Pacquiao was tied with Forrest for the hardest puncher. Surely Pacquiao has faster hands than Oscar ever had. It's very interesting to hear what the fighters say. Toney seems to hate Jones and doesn't want to give him any credit at all. I noticed Hatton now says Pacquiao was the best all around fighter he ever fought after years of saying Mayweather was by far the best he ever fought. As someone who likes Pacquiao better than Mayweather that made me happy.
He got interviewed in 2010 and he didnt fight Pacquiao til 2011. It be interesting to hear what he says now.
He's got a good chin. He's been down sure, and he's been stunned, but if he didn't have a good chin, he would of been knocked out by now. He's taken some big shots from big punchers, and keeps coming.
besides the speed obviously, its really his counter punching. He is the one of the most underrated counter punchers ever. He counters the jab as good as anyone, and that was the main reason he just beat the crap out of Cotto. He rolls under hooks incredibly well, and throws an excellent check hook.
With Bradley he was feinting and getting him to over commit, and he made him pay. So yea, I would vote his counter punching, but its not an option.
You answered your own question, or rather debunked your own myth. Paz was brutally undersized and far from a top, world class fighter at that weight. World class fighters like Jones are supposed to do that to him.
He never managed to do anything close to that to a somewhat green Hopkins, his best opponent at that time. He didn't manage to do anything like that against Tarver.
Look, I get it, most of you are on the Jones hype still but no, he wasn't as great as internet highlight reels and HBO want you to believe he was.
While I agree with you that he wasn't elite skilled and that he relied mainly on his athleticism, He was great in his prime. Not sure how many 168-175 guys all time could beat a prime Roy Jones.
Yeah I had no qualms about his decision wins over Lara and Trout.
But I did with score cards
119-109, 118-110 for the Cotto fight
117-111 for the Lara fight
118-109 for the Trout fight
And of course 114-114 and 112-116 for the Mayweather fight.
And this is why he would of got the decision against Winky Wright. Winky would probably win more rounds, but we know he's getting robbed.
I hate Mayweather with a passion and was bias as hell towards Canelo when they fought. I still cant find a round to give to Canelo.
I'll throw a new one in. Ring Generalship. It seems that most of the time when people say that, their just trying to sound smart or they can't explain why they think a fighter won.
Example:
Random Guy: "I think he won that round, he showed great ring generalship".
Me: He was just moving to his left and barely engaged...
Well in Salido's defense, he should of got the decision in his past 2 fights which he was awarded a draw. His last fight he beat up Vargas and arguably ruined him along with Miura.
You bring up the 13 losses. 8 of those were when he was 21 or younger. A few of them before he was a legal adult. He didn't have amateur experience or some high profile promoter protecting him. He worked his way up the hard way and has beaten some good fighters and hung in there with some great fighters. Salido is a very good fighter.
when you're sitting above 220 lbs and you work regularly in boxing. it's impossible to be pillow-fisted.
most heavy dudes can whack. especially the ones that are in the gym all the time like this dude.
try to name a heavyweight 220 lbs and above that can't KO someone.
Zuri Lawrence is the only guy I know of.
I dont know if i fully agree with "doing enough" to win argument. Crawford did what he needed to do, but I do agree with the fight being pretty boring. I mean i had a tough time staying focused on the fight towards the 7th round. It would of been nice to see Crawford go for the knockout.
No, he cant beat him at this point. He needs another step up in competition before he faces someone like a Mayweather or a Pacquiao. If he took on either of those guys right now, with the pay per view lights shining down and an atg staring back at him, he'd probably freeze up a little.
Fighting Chris Algeiri in front of a solid size crowd is much different then fighting Mayweather or a Pacquiao in front of a large crowd with the world watching.
I wouldn't be so confident in Postol. He was behind on one of the scorecards against Matthysse and only led 86-85 on the other two. I just think Postol is to inexperienced at the elite level to beat a guy like Crawford but on the flip side it will be interesting to see how Crawford deals with Postol's reach and height advantage.
I'm a Matthysse fan, but Postol was clearly in control over Matthysse and in my opinion winning and taking over the fight.
He's not that bad. And he doesn't talk as much trash as you think. He has like one interview and its spread out into like 7 different articles in 2 weeks. Happens all the time with boxing scene articles.
There is nothing "Hi Tech" about being defeated by a fat out of shape taco vendor, because you were arrogant enough to think you could contend for a strap that early in your career and making excuses for failing to achieve that goal. And taking the opportunity away from another much more deserving fighter by getting a second unearned opportunity. " Hi Tech" my a*ss.
he didn't make a single excuse after the fight even when his opponent hit him low 100 times and purposely missed making weight. He took it well, got better, learned how to fight like a professional and is clearly one of the most talented fighters on the planet.
Below is his quotes after the fight.
“First of all, I want to thank all of my fans and supporters. I have already reviewed the tape a couple of times, scoring the contest myself. In my mind, it was an even fight but – as a challenger – I should have proved considerable superiority over my opponent, by winning the match-up much more comfortably. It didn't happen and I failed to achieve what I should have. I consider the decision to be fair," Lomachenko said.
“The only one to blame for such an outcome is myself, because I didn't follow the full scope of the game plan and ideas, which my beloved father-trainer put together and explained to me. I didn't follow the pre-fight plan at about 40%, making the biggest mistake with my decreased activity. I didn’t throw enough punches. Perhaps, I was trying to preserve enough energy for the closing rounds."
"In any case, I don’t want to concentrate on any complaints and excuses. I have a lot of work to do in the gym. Now I’m superbly pumped up and my desire for training is higher than ever. We – myself and my team – will learn this lesson and I will become stronger than we were before. Once again, I want to thank my family and my team. Thanks to all of those supporters and critics, who were carefully watching my fight. Thank you so much.”
Yuri hasn't fought anyone recently to prepare him for Erislandy Lara!
It's a one-sided fight, I'll be surprised if Lara loses more than 2 rounds.
I'll be surprised if anyone can stat awake past two rounds.
To me, Lomachenko has the 2 best wins if you look at their resume head to head. The wins over Walters and Russell, to me are better than a featherweight Gamboa and Viktor Postol.
Now if were talking skill level, I'd pick Lomachenko any day of the week. His footwork is the best in boxing, his range is fantastic, he's an excellent defender and he can be excellent at defense while moving forward.
Sure Lomachenko lost to Salido in his second pro fight. But I don't know many featherweights in history that could beat Salido when he purposely misses weight and gets away with throwing about 100 low blows all night.
He struggled with provosidjjeidv and had a draw with diego chaves. FOH
Who doesn't struggle with Ruslan? Anyone with eye's can tell you he beat Chaves comfortably.
You can pick apart any boxers resume to make them sound bad when you nitpick.
Its not so much the fact that any of those three fights were robberies. It's the bias and just straight up ridiculous scores Canelo gets in favor of him. Against Cotto, the judges had it 119-109, 118-110, and 117-111. Cotto won minimum 4 rounds and a maximum of 6, if your calling things objectively. I had it 7-5 Canelo. But a card that reads 10-2 and 11-1 is just ridiculous.
Against Lara, there was a card that was 9-3 in favor of Canelo. Now i'll be the first to say I HATE Lara's style. But this was a 50/50 match all the way through. I actually had Lara winning 7-5, but I'm ok with a draw or Canelo 7-5. But 9-3? GTFOH
Against Trout he had a card that read 10-2 and one that read 8-4. And to make matters worse, the cards were read after 8 rounds. And after 8 rounds one judge had it 8-0 and the other 6-2 with of course the knockdown. You know Trout is hearing this and that has to throw off your mental game some.
Even against Mayweather, he was completely outclassed yet he got a draw on one score card and one judge actually gave him 4 rounds. He won to me one round at best, and even that is pushing it.
It goes to show anyone that if your fighting Canelo, you better win every round 10-8 style or knock him out. Because if you don't, you won't get the benefit of the doubt.
Right now its Lomachenko. For a guy who throws that many punches, fights on the inside and takes chances, his footwork is amazing. Guys like sweet pea and Rigo are great, but they really are defense first and defense second kind of fighters. I've always been more impressed with great footwork when it comes from an offensive minded fighter.