Manny Pacquiao's greatest attribute?

u know what... i always ROFL everytime i hear this words from floyd fans.. Cant u see floyd dont want a piece of Pacquiao, He's scared, health comes first, evrytime pacquaio's name rush in he's thinking he'll grow old with a wimp on his back lol. And floyd fans always says "Floyd would eat him for breakfast".. Even Floyd knows he cant do that rofL..:bottle: That's what they said about Maidana. Maidana was going to get KO'd they said. Mayweather won but Maidana put him through hell and made it a close fight. Only way to see what happens in a Pac vs. Mayweather fight is IF they ever fight each other, which I doubt will ever happen.

Not a good question............ Not a good question. Manny has several attributes that make him a special fighter. You cannot pick one. He utilizes them all too well; especially now that he is fighting smarter than he ever has before. It's his hand-speed, foot speed, angle punches, stamina, natural strength, improved defense, improved counter punching. etc.

experience. that's what won the bradley rematch for him. bradley match him on speed but pac took what bradley had, settled down and took over the second half while tim pretty much unraveled. His speed has diminished but is still good but he won't completely overwhelm each opponent with his speed anymore as he ages. If he's to win vs marquez, it'll be through adjustment and things that he learned from experience, including what he learned from being ko'd.

His voice without question...he can ok anyone with it...it's a beauty

Right now it's his hand and foot speed that is his greatest attribute Entire career, it was his fighter mentality... He has the heart and attitude of a fighter

i choose speed. but with pacquiao it's hard to pin one thing that makes him great. it's really the combination of things that make him great. speed, footwork, awkward angles, heart, timing, power, etc. I think the best response thus far. Pacquiao does a lot of things exceptionally well. The only caveat is that he takes too many punches and so defensively, it is his "worst" attribute. Other than that, he moves well, he times well, he's got power, speed, freaky combos and flush punches, different angles, exceptional stamina (considering his volume of punches), his heart and his mind. I think that latter is what makes him to learn quickly and adapt quickly as he go over heavier weight classes likewise. His 'iron will' is his aggression...

His hand speed and his heart this guy is a great warrior.

Bob Arum.................... Nah, his speed and mental state. His lack of true "boxing" fundementals/his agression because of if. It's why he fights in such a manner with disregard to himself. Even without handspeed Pac would still be a big punching AGRESSIVE southpaw who throws with you, before you, or after you and with his powerful legs he stays infront. Pac has good timing, dont let his style fool you. Obviously, Floyd is on another extreme with timing and reflexes but Pac's timing is also impressive. Pac doesn't just mindlessly throw punches, if he was slower I would assume his punches would be coming harder and with his movement and feints, he'll land his shots against all but the most proficient defensive or fast fighters. Pac with no speed doesnt mean he'd be the slowest fighter on earth... It just means he'd probably only land 4 punches as opposed to 6. Also, timing isnt an attribute, it's a skill. Reflexes, foot speed, hand speed, long arms, granite chin, etc are attributes (temperament and heart included). Thing sthat you just HAVE . Imo, timing is along the lines of mechanics...so counterpunching, left hook delivery, guard, head movement, etc are learned or honed skills (some people are inherently better than others obviously). So I guess...Pac's will to engage is his greatest attribute. Perfect example of the saying "Fortune favors the bold".

Bob Arum.................... Nah, his speed and mental state.

Not really, and now you are changing the topic because I said nothing about timing I was talking about speed. Timing is more important than speed in boxing so that is a different argument but if you are a complete enough fighter and you lose any one attribute you should have enough tools in your arsenal to overcome it or mask it 90% of the time. Either way this isn't about him it's about Mannys attribute, people just can't seem to see Floyds name in a post without letting it go, but I am not going to go on about it in this thread, it's my intention to keep it on topic and I have to head to the gym soon anyway. I wasn't changing the subject though. I'm saying Pac's greatest attribute is speed. Take that away, he's average. Floyd's greatest attribute (in my opinion) is timing. Take that away, he's average. If you take away any top fighters greatest attribute, they become significantly worse. EDIT: I was simply using Floyd as an example. I wasn't changing a subject or using his name to stir something else. Simply using him as an example.

I get the point you are making Loaded, and I agree that Pac's greatest asset is speed. That said, if you take away anyone's greatest attribute they become significantly worse. Take away Floyd's timing and he becomes average. You can make that case for any fighter ever. Not really, and now you are changing the topic because I said nothing about timing I was talking about speed. Timing is more important than speed in boxing so that is a different argument but if you are a complete enough fighter and you lose any one attribute you should have enough tools in your arsenal to overcome it or mask it 90% of the time. Either way this isn't about him it's about Mannys attribute, people just can't seem to see Floyds name in a post without letting it go, but I am not going to go on about it in this thread, it's my intention to keep it on topic and I have to head to the gym soon anyway.

I don't know, whoever the p4p king would be assuming Floyd wouldn't be if he didn't have his speed, this is the guy I was responding to's hypothetical, not my own, I didn't bring up Floyd losing alot if losing his speed, the other guy did, I justd argued against him, did you read? Pay attention. I get the point you are making Loaded, and I agree that Pac's greatest asset is speed. That said, if you take away anyone's greatest attribute they become significantly worse. Take away Floyd's timing and he becomes average. You can make that case for any fighter ever.

besides the speed obviously, its really his counter punching. He is the one of the most underrated counter punchers ever. He counters the jab as good as anyone, and that was the main reason he just beat the crap out of Cotto. He rolls under hooks incredibly well, and throws an excellent check hook. With Bradley he was feinting and getting him to over commit, and he made him pay. So yea, I would vote his counter punching, but its not an option. I agree with Pacquiao being an underrated counter puncher. Counter opunching can go under "timing" in the choices.

And who exactly is the current top P4P fighter of this era going to be a contender to? I don't know, whoever the p4p king would be assuming Floyd wouldn't be if he didn't have his speed, this is the guy I was responding to's hypothetical, not my own, I didn't bring up Floyd losing alot if losing his speed, the other guy did, I justd argued against him, did you read? Pay attention.

besides the speed obviously, its really his counter punching. He is the one of the most underrated counter punchers ever. He counters the jab as good as anyone, and that was the main reason he just beat the crap out of Cotto. He rolls under hooks incredibly well, and throws an excellent check hook. With Bradley he was feinting and getting him to over commit, and he made him pay. So yea, I would vote his counter punching, but its not an option.

Always was and always will be his speed, it contributes to generate his power, and if you take away his speed he is nothing but a southpaw heavy handed volume puncher with pourous defense and quick feet, in other words average at best, he might have still been great, but it would have been all heart and determination, which is probably his second strongest asset, his mind. Let's not forget without his speed, and consequently his power, and his heart, he is actually pretty poor fundamentally, although he's improved over the years. That's why I have always said Floyd would have a field day on Manny, Manny would never trouble him like Maidana did, not 2009 Manny, not any version, Floyd would eat him for breakfast. how can a scared coward like fraud jr eat pac for breakfast? only idiot would think... oh wait... nevermind. :fingersx:

Endurance is his best asset with out it his hand speed will slow down in the later rounds

If you take Floyd speed away, he's not a great fighter neither. I mean, Floyd is a defensive wizard but not an offensive master, he relies too much on two punches (his lazer right hand and perfect left hook). His speed allows him to fight that way. That's not true at all, his ring IQ, defensive prowess, and almost impeccable fundamentals would have him at at least a contender status in todays era, you don't need speed to be good defensively, he would have to readapt his philly variance to use more subtle upper body moevment and less legs, and do other minor changes but he isn't bound to his speed the way Manny is. Manny said it himself, "I never had the skill to be a great boxer, only a sheer determination to rise above poverty". Floyd is the exact opposite, he didn't come from overwhelming poverty, and he was both born with a God given gift, and was developed into a world class fighter from near infancy. Not the same at all.

His MIND is his main asset.

Pacs speed takes him to another level. Out of every top fighter from 140-154, Pac is still the fastest outside of Amir Khan.