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Boxing in America is dead and has been for years and was only lucky unfortunately when Floyd was popular. The best in America could fight each other and no one would watch outside of the hardcore fans which are less and less.

JP vs Wilder and maybe Wilder can redeem himself to boxing community, boxing YouTube and internet boxing critics and make his career high in purses. Sad that Jake made more money than any boxer this year.

- - Joking again, eh? Deyonce was never more than Haymons' TBA WBC gofer. U and he could meet under his statue in Tuscaloosa where U could sing his praises under a full moon... Wilder was finished after the second Fury fight it’s the reason he took fights with Parker and Zhang and why he doesn’t leave the garbage filled state of Alabama.

But where does that belief come from? He kod 1 top 10(ring) opponent in his career. If he had jumped into the deep end right away instead of koing so many unranked unheralded guys no one would be touting him for his great power. He seems to be getting extra credit for koing so many weak fighters but we know in general and in Wilders specific case that power is harder to transfer from the mid level to top level. For example if you are a minor league baseball player who hits 50 home runs off minor league pitching, then you go to the big leagues and hit 15 home runs, you wouldn't be known as a power hitter. Yet a lot of people are judging Wilder on what are essentially his minor league numbers and not his top level numbers. The only thing Wilder did was overachieve because Washington would’ve beaten him if he took the 8 count and listened to Pullman. Wilder never drew a dime which is why when Al took him under his wing everyone at PBC was stunned because Wilder was never popular. Everyone all over the internet overinflates Wilder’s popularity, when you look at the first Tyson Fury fight and even the second not a soul in LA, unless you were in the gyms, knew who Wilder was and that was in 2018.

This is a stupid conversation which has no merit as again none of these men have fought each other nor could they. The triangle method needs to die and this fantasy boxing idea needs to disappear

Wilder has no footwork and has gotten beaten up by southpaws before the right hand. Zhang has power and I can see him knocking out Wilder.

What was Deontay Wilder? A box office flop, an overachiever most the American public didn’t know existed and a champion. He was more well known than Andy Ruiz who got booed out of Carson during a fight with Chris Arreola. Lastly Wilder was failed by trainers as Breland should’ve let the Fury fight end in conclusion and Malik Scott unfortunately can’t pull blood from stone. Wilder was finished after Fury, buried after Parker, dug up cremate for Zhang and his bones and ashes will be above acid during both Ngannou and possibly Joshua fights.

Wilder: Not a chance (he can't admit he lost and because of that won't do anything to fix what is wrong) Whyte: It's possible but slim Ruiz: Small guys that can punch can be hell for big guys. In a strange way, I think Ruiz might be more dangerous than most everyone. Not sure. AJ: probably has the best chance because he is big, hits hard and can box. He's proven that. Usyk: I have him tied with Ruiz. I think Usyk is a better boxer than any of the other guys, even Fury. He might suprise a lot of people just like Ruiz would. Wilder is finished regardless if he admitted he's an unhealthy 34 year old with hand problems, he's as done as a well done steak only thing he can do is go out like a man or let Breland save him like a *****.

Twas quickly thrown together, but I can't wait for a prospect or club fighter to go on a run and get some hype that he can be a threat to Fury. I think Usyk will get that hype if he blasts through Chisora, but I'd love another name in the mix to shake things up even more, and add another percieved major threat to Wilder and AJ as well. While i love having an undisputed champ, i also love when a few of the top guys have the clout that comes with a real belt. When Fury is undisputed, Wilder and AJ will have no chips left. AJ can fall off as far as I'm concerned, but Wilder has a lot of potential to still be a mega star, even with losses to Fury, and holding a belt goes a long way - he can have his own defenses, and then his own mega fights in parallel to Fury making defenses and his own mega fights, and the sport and division grows and becomes more enriched. Breland should've let him get knocked out he'd a retired or still tried again and get plastered again.

Mercer may or may not show up, secondly Ray should've focused during his era when he could've made a difference. All I hear which is unfortunate is should've, would've, could've, there's no time machine and Ray is fortunate he fought when boxing wasn't getting its ass handed to them by UFC.

Fury won, Wilder lost and Wilder will get his opportunity to rectify his lost or suffer a career ending loss after Haymon drops him and Dibella tells him, he can't even pay him

PBC has created many great stars. Wilder ruled boxing for that period whether you like him or not. Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence are some of the biggest stars in boxing. I know this because you all are the same guys that accuse Bud of ducking them. Leo Santa Cruz was a big star, the fans were going crazy during his fights with Mares. Adonis Stevenson is an icon in Montreal. PBC created Beterbiev too. Marcus Browne will be a big star one day. The Charlo brothers. Ever been to an event at the Barclays center? There's nothing quite like it, I hope everyone gets the chance to go, Adonis doesn't make the Montreal Gazette anymore he's an old invalid

Wilder is not a star and his next fight will prove it Andy Ruiz is likely done and Spence and Tank are the only two with money making potential.

How is a guy who's made 8 digits a couple times at least I believe & supposedly has been offered as much as $40M for one fight according to Eddie Hearn & something like a $100M mutil-fight deal not a star? What makes a guy a star in your estimation? Sometimes, well a lot of times actually, I think some of you guys got too high of a hurdle to clear to various things like being a top ten guy or star or legend or all kinds of other sh^t. I'd argue if your getting paid in the top 1/10th of 1% of boxers, you've been in multiple PPV main events, have ESPN giving your fight outcomes on their scrolling results banner on the regular & you're wearing $40,000 costumes into the ring you are a star. Floyd made over 70 million, Andre Ward made more than Wilder, as did Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Trinidad and others over their careers. Wilder made 70 million off two fights which he performed pathetically it be a waste to give him anywhere past 7 million to fight because he wasn't selling out fights before Fury and his untalented corpse will be lucky to sell out in his own state.

I'm sorry, Saudi is not what you've read in some ultra article. Read here: https://www.quora.com/How-is-it-to-b...n-Saudi-Arabia America has insanely huge problems in all areas, women, children, men, black, yellow and white. You have zero space to talk negatively about other people. Were talking about a country whose government kidnapped its own journalist, killed and dismembered him for talking badly about the Prince, a country that's interjecting itself in a civil war to fight its geopolitical rival's proxy because of religion despite the majority being Shia in Yemen, a country that exports extreme wahhabism, a sect so repugnant the Turks tried to eliminate it, to the rest of world so that they can keep power. A country that encourages slavery in both Libya and Mauritania and purchases slaves from those countries. Finally a country whose rulers made back room deals with the British even sold their people out just so their house would rule instead of the Hashemites. The United States has a spotty record but compared on things we know Saudi Arabia did and things that are under the rug it makes the United States look like a respectable nation.

Really don't give a sh%t who has to pay what, get it over with, Fury and AJ I and II happens and Wilder can fight Dillian Whyte and Andy Ruiz while AJ and Fury are settling their situation and after unification IF Wilder is good enough to beat Whyte and Ruiz then he will get enough shot at the Title (s). Fans talk as if after Fury vs AJ that is the end of everything, no Usyk, Whyte, Wilder, Ruiz all will be waiting in line for their shot at the newly crowned Undisputed Champ Hopefully everything is cleared up tomorrow, even if he has to payout Wilder in Damages who cares he is about to make a ton of money with AJ for 2 Fights Wilder isn't fighting anyone of note until he takes a paycut, he's a nobody without a belt and a pathetic fanbase; his only saving grace was the third fight so unless he moves back down to 7 or 6 figures he isn't getting a fight. Andy ruiz if lucky did 125k buys at 1 million dollars wilder would be lucky to do 100k with anyone.

I'm not going to argue for either but I will say with income tax, trainers' fee, managers' fee, promoters' fees and cost of living PBC fighters maybe doing the correct thing for them. Holyfield and Tyson both lost generational wealth and have to discuss fighting at 50; and sure Mike might say its going to charity but people involved with fight want to get paid to.

Not every fight has to be on PPV, Wilder can take short money (He did that for 95% of his career), and fight on regular TV. Am glad the Mexican fans didn’t put too much into the Ruiz/Arreola fight, because it was a travesty trying to sell that fight as a PPV. And trying to use the Mexican fans as usual. Some of these boxers would have to take less fight to fight on free TV, or see their PPV bombing like the Charlo doubleheader one. ESPN got rid of Friday Night Fights and is happier with UFC and Fox seems happier with the WWE than bozong so we'll see

Even BT sport are now into MMA/UFC, which I have now become a fan of over the last 16 months. Because they actually give competitive March ups. The issue is that they don’t have to pay those guys as much, their owners run a tight ship. Boxers earn more and fight lesser competitions, which turns the fans off. And the constant promotional politics that some of them like to play, which prevents massive sales and revenue. For example Crawford v Spence. So American boxing media, fans etc need to get their acts together, because they are one of the major reasons that boxing is failing in America. Well it's fun to dream but the highest known boxing media member with presence is Max Kellerman which should tell how popular boxing is. Go to the US gyms which I have and you'll see zula classes more than you'll see boxers. Once Atlas started talking about MMA boxing in the US timetable is coming soon just no one wants to admit US boxing done not when they send subpar athletes to the Olympics

Dude, you do know DLH quit in his stool right? That's a nomas fight. Are you new in boxing?? De La Hoya quit on Floyd then they need to change the official result

Ones doing an exhibition the other is still fighting at 40, I mean why bother with comparing the two God forbid Paul vs Mayweather happens and outsells Manny vs Spence that'll see Floyd brag even more about the bs.

A big fight for me? You kidding me? I just told you I rather see Floyd duck over and over from Pacquiao as he gets old and withers away. You can't seem to understand simple english. The more Floyd ducks that's on him. Secondly, you are being naive to think the 2 biggest names in boxing won't make a huge pay day. That's just silly. I'll leave it at that. It's common sense this fight will be watched all over the world. You just seem to be narrow minded not to see that. Again, since you lack comprehension I don't want to see another marathon hugfest. That to me is a thesis of what not to do in a super fight and should not happen again. thirdly, it is onus on Floyd to do a rematch with Pacquiao since he mentioned it that he wanted it, and he even mentioned in the an Arab nation that gave him 2 million dollars as a incentive for a Pacquiao fight. He took the money and left.. That is not a good look.. That's scamming is what that is. Lastly, you care less what floyd does. Then why are you in here arguing about it duh.. Anyway, like I said, I don't care less what he does with his life, when he wants to retire and fight patsies. It's on him. But like I said, his legacy is defined on his history of what he did in the sport. Once he stops he stops. And his actions on why he retired so many times, came back and left again at a convenient time to duck fighters is on him.. His choosing fighting MMA fighters than fight real fighters. Those will be part of his legacy whether you like it or not, but since you don't really care much of Floyd's clowning ways. Then I guess you'll be alright as I am as well. A fighter has a right to choose his path. But Like how the great Michael Jordan has done his. He chose the hard path to reach greatness. Not all can do what he did. Daring to be great is for true warriors of the game. I only made this thread to show the more time elapses and Pac keeps on building legacy defining fights. Only strengthens what we know all along. Pac is the true fighter that deserves RESPECT for keeping on fighting the hard challenges even in the twilight of his career while Floyd fights clowns. Hope that's clear enough for you. You don't have to sweat it out. You don't care what Floyd does. So let him be a clown that's what he wants. It's fine bud. Well since you asked it's because whenever Pacquiao does something fans like you create entire threads saying Pacs this and that and Gayweather this and that and this Non-Stop Boxing not Non Stop Pacquiao Mayweather. You want to make a forum where you can dream about stroking your idol off, an idol who didn't ask go ahead. However, most of poster here want to discuss today's fighters not your idol's rival from a half decade ago. But you want attention and you want to yell at the few Floyd fans who also want to stroke their idols balls. I'm here to tell you create a forum and you, your fellow Pacphiles and the Flomos that wish to cab argue to your hearts content until the end of time if you wish. The rest of us would like to discuss actual active fighters trying to make a name in boxing and would like to not see your Mayweather threads of NSB.

Your god lost and their god has retired into oblivion and obscurity find something new than the same debate from 2009, the happiest moment in the 90s was when Hagler retired it ended the "Four Kings" are the greatest bs. Seems like one of these two "gods" will have to transition just so pacfags can stop telling flomos who was better at the gloryhole.

No why would you think I meant that? I was referring to somebody connecting white supremacy to Asian Americans being attacked when it’s mostly African Americans attacking them statistically, So how is that linked to White supremacy exactly? your mind is poisoned if you think someone is attacking all black people and calling them criminals because they corrected somebody. There is no need to get defensive, nor am I calling you a racist. Just like my opinion of Israeli Palestinian situation is if left alone two sides will eventually settle out whose the winner. As for Paulie I don't think it matters much, as for white supremacy the fact that neither side can talk about it in a civil discussion means it'll be an issue. Me personally it doesn't matter if it's there its just one of many obstacles, if its not then the world will move as it does.

Well that's the thing. It's a free world. You can be a clown or you can be a gladiator. He chose to be a clown. That's on him. But don't tell me that's good for his legacy. Legacy is what you put on the work in your given sport. Legit challenges that builds on your career. Floyd choosing clowns over a fight with Manny is what it is.. A circus show. Floyd's own Coach/Uncle Roger knows there's unfinished business.. But he settled in a clown show.. It is what it is.. That's what he wants for his legacy. That's what he gets. Roger Mayweather: That would put him amongst the greatest fighters, but Floyd had a good, long legacy anyways. He will be amongst some of the greatest fighters but hes got to close the thing with Pacquiao before he ever does that, because thats one of the known guys that people respect and I think thats the guy that he's gonna have to beat or have to show something with. Even Roger Mayweather knows Floyd didn't conclude anything that night. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/filedata\/fetch?id=30918121&d=1621916634&type=full"} Not to nitpick but correct me if I'm wrong didn't the majority here get upset at Wilder for firing Breland because Breland wouldn't let him go out on his shield? I just saying if its gladiator games you want then it should be fights to the death otherwise it's just playing as gladiators. To your Floyd comments again if he wants to be an idiot let him. No one considers these fights as legacy building and legacies are what our descendants will care depending on if such things make it to next generation. And in terms of right now if you consider the "legacy" tarnished ok; just seems you want to argue with Floyd fans who are satisfied with the end result of said fight.

Well in any profession. You build on your career. The more you put on your work defines your legacy. That said. It's not the point if it's going to another borefest again.. The point is who said he wanted to fight and ended up ducking.. The one who just barks and can't back it up all these years of marinating for a rematch. It's as simple as that. That's how men handle there business. If you get in a bar fight. Let's settle it outside. But instead what Floyd did okay let's settle it outside.. But I won't be there for days and years.. Sorry to be blunt, but that's a pussay move brother. Great rivalries in the sport of boxing have rematches or even trilogies.. Floyd rather take the easy road. Why? Simple really.. FEAR. Pac had epic trilogies and rematches 2-3 even 4 times with Marquez. That's what legends of the sport do. Sadly Floyd just can't. That's just how he is built I guess. I'm just stating the obvious to those who can't see it. He didn't give De La Hoya a rematch why would Pacquiao be any different.

When there is money for a big fight what does it mean in the boxing world? There is a clamor for a fight. It means it's a fight that boxing fans wants to see settle an unfinished business. The fact it got dragged and the fans moved away is why it failed. Now since, I don't really know who dragged it whether it was Floyd or Delahoya is not something I'll argue about, since I have no idea who didn't want it.. But I can assume Delahoya wanted a rematch so I guess if someone who would drag it out to lose steam should be Floyd. But don't quote me on this because, I have no prior knowledge of the events that transpired. That said, I've been explaining to you my point and you seem not to get it for lack of comprehension. If there is clamor, there is money in prize fighting.. And to say that Pac Floyd 2 has no clamor and no money is being naive. Half of the world saw Pac winning, and not to mention a Pacquiao Mayweather rematch is a global event. Not just in our country, thus, there is so much prize fighting money to be made if it was done. This doesn't mean I want to see a rematch. I will if its made, but this thread is merely to show who has been ducking all these years.. Saying and not doing.. Has been a Floyd motto ever since. When he was young he ducked Cotto Margarito, now that Floyd is past it he has ducked the best welters including Thurman, Crawford, Spence and Pacquiao. That's going to be part of his legacy. How he slithered his way to winning fights as he ducked when he was young.. and to this day. Like I said, to each his own. Everyone has right to quit in his given profession. Hope that's clear enough for you. Anyway, your argument that the ship has sailed is a false. The fact that Floyd can still Fight Mc Gregor, the Midget in Japan, and now a famous youtuber.. It means he can still fight. And the fact he mentioned he wanted a rematch with Pacquiao and has not done it to this day. Only shows how queer he has become. There's no other explanation to it. There's money, there's legacy in this fight, Floyd can still fight but chose to fight pansies.. It's an obvious duck. It's just the way it is.. To each his own.. He chose to walkwaway fighting legit fights.. That's on him, and I said, that's also where the bucks stops in how his legacy is defined, while in Pac's case his legacy is still being enhanced because he still daring to fight live dogs and challenging himself at the age of almost 43 by the time he fights Spence. I hope that is clear enough for you. You seem to have a hard time understanding. I repeat it's not Pac who told the world He will rematch Floyd. Floyd told the world he wants a rematch.. And like I said, he chose not to.. Show what character he is a professional boxer. True fighters of the game fight for legacy. Defining legacy by the rivals they had during the course of their career. Ali had Frazier, Sugar Ray had Marvin Hagler, Pac had, Morales, Marquez, Barrera to name a few of those epic rematches and trilogies.. Floyd sad to say don't have that. It's on him. So hope that's clear enough for you. ;) Proof Floyd Mayweather Scared of Margarito and Ducking Cotto https://youtu.be/LRueJoZM8u8 No it's a big fight for you and your support group who want to keep something alive that world moved on from. See your point about he said, she said matters only to you and your homo obsessed fan club. You want someone to do something because others' had something. You mention Leonard as a fighter when Leonard invented the bs Floyd is doing. Let's talk about walking away, as in Floyd beat your idol more soundly than he beat DLH, the fact that it was agreed and signed for after the Hatton fight which Floyd then retired afterwards to avoid spoke volumes. Although Ray Leonard did a similar trick to runaway from Hagler. Pac has been telling the world he wants a Mayweather fight and was dragging that along for three years before finally understanding it wasn't going to happen. You say true fighters of the game fight for legacy but I didn't see Lennox fight Klitschko, nor did I see Trinidad fight Jones, Hopkins or Wright and didn't see the great Margarito challenge Paul Williams after Williams took his belt. So this fighter fight for legacy is more bs that you only want because Floyd took something from you. Finally I can care less what Floyd does, my world isn't on pause because some formerly famous fighter is taking a fight with a youtuber. The last Mayweather fight I purchased was against Mosley to which after I saw it was smoke and mirrors. I wanted him to fight Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams seeing as both were bigger and had styles that were different than he saw and unique for their physicality. When he didn't I knew he was fighting fights that he had no real way of losing and the media, fans such as yourself and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. However, I am impressed you were able to incorrectly add comprehension to your vocabulary. I used it as saying you misread me saying he in terms of saying since Pacquiao didn't give DLH a rematch then why should Mayweather, when he of which my post was referring to clearly meant Mayweather. Once I saw that retarded response I understood perfectly anyone who doesn't agree with you is a Floyd fan. Now your only problem is that I'm not and I can care less what he said as I seen him have contract signed and he still chose not to do a rematch.

Pac fans won't let May retire in peace. Also, May can never be ''obscure'' or be in ''oblivion'' :lol1: No Mayweather can't he's there second god that's why there are 4 threads a day about the two.

No he didn't. That was a 12 round fight. Delahoya quit mid rounds against Pac. That's a white flag. That my friend is someone who knows he doesn't get a rematch. And besides.. was Pac the one saying to the world. He is giving Floyd a rematch. Nope. Floyd said it to the world he wants a Pac rematch. And as the story goes duck his way to fighting noobs and cab drivers in exhibition match.. That's just how it is bud. Facts. As I said while you wrongfully accused me of saying DLH didn't get a rematch with Pac and then failed to see my sarcastic remark about Mayweather De La Hoya, since Floyd retired right after avoiding DLH what made you think he'd give Pacquiao a rematch. And as a bonus I wrote Floyd's name since reading comprehension might not be your strong suit.

Coz it's still a big fight. And Floyd did say he wants a rematch with Pacquiao. So as a man of integrity that I am. I think backing down and not being clear cut about it and using someone's name to make a quick buck is just someone who lacks integrity. And someone who loves the sport of boxing. Legacy trumps more than any dolla*rs a fighter can have. And saying one thing and not doing it is a man without honor and should make anyone lose respect to any individual who can't back up what he says or wants to do. What's Floyd nickname, Money that's all he cares about which is the object of prizefighting. Two, it's not a big fight as the networks all know the snooze fest it was with so many wanting their money back. A rematch would be even more boring similar to Jones-Hopkins II which not only delayed but sabotaged younger fighters. You love the sport boxing, get hyped about fighters who matter today; Josh Taylor became undisputed yet can't get on Sky sports and ESPN definitely didn't promote his fight. Shows where boxing is when an undisputed champion barely gets noticed but some geriatrics are what these forums talk about.