Funny thing is, pre-Zhang Wilder would probably be a bigger problem for Usyk than Fury was

But where does that belief come from? He kod 1 top 10(ring) opponent in his career. If he had jumped into the deep end right away instead of koing so many unranked unheralded guys no one would be touting him for his great power. He seems to be getting extra credit for koing so many weak fighters but we know in general and in Wilders specific case that power is harder to transfer from the mid level to top level. For example if you are a minor league baseball player who hits 50 home runs off minor league pitching, then you go to the big leagues and hit 15 home runs, you wouldn't be known as a power hitter. Yet a lot of people are judging Wilder on what are essentially his minor league numbers and not his top level numbers. The only thing Wilder did was overachieve because Washington would’ve beaten him if he took the 8 count and listened to Pullman. Wilder never drew a dime which is why when Al took him under his wing everyone at PBC was stunned because Wilder was never popular. Everyone all over the internet overinflates Wilder’s popularity, when you look at the first Tyson Fury fight and even the second not a soul in LA, unless you were in the gyms, knew who Wilder was and that was in 2018.

- - Joking again, eh? Deyonce was never more than Haymons' TBA WBC gofer. U and he could meet under his statue in Tuscaloosa where U could sing his praises under a full moon... Wilder was finished after the second Fury fight it’s the reason he took fights with Parker and Zhang and why he doesn’t leave the garbage filled state of Alabama.

Not easy to avoid Wilder`s hand for 12 rounds. Ok, Parker did it. But I think that pre-Zhang Wilder gives usyk a harder fight than Fury did. Now Wilder is done, Zhang ruined him for good. - - Joking again, eh? Deyonce was never more than Haymons' TBA WBC gofer. U and he could meet under his statue in Tuscaloosa where U could sing his praises under a full moon...

I don't see it. Technical skill gap between them is very wide. Wilder has never shared the ring with anyone like Usyk, not even close. Wilder had virtually 1 skill, deadly punches at long range. Usyk would have stuck close to him and annihilated him on the inside. Usyk's biggest weakness against HWs is size - he's always the smaller guy that needs to find a way to finesse his way to a win. Against Wilder, they'd be the same weight, with Wilder taller and lankier. Usyk would be both bigger and faster. Wilder will always have a puncher's chance against Usyk, but 9 times out of 10 that's an Usyk KO8 over Wilder.

I agree with you to some degree, Wilder was very obviously manufactured but I still believe his right hand was an A+ punch even if the rest of his skillet was D level But where does that belief come from? He kod 1 top 10(ring) opponent in his career. If he had jumped into the deep end right away instead of koing so many unranked unheralded guys no one would be touting him for his great power. He seems to be getting extra credit for koing so many weak fighters but we know in general and in Wilders specific case that power is harder to transfer from the mid level to top level. For example if you are a minor league baseball player who hits 50 home runs off minor league pitching, then you go to the big leagues and hit 15 home runs, you wouldn't be known as a power hitter. Yet a lot of people are judging Wilder on what are essentially his minor league numbers and not his top level numbers.

I think he is done. my point is, pre-Zhang Wilder would be a dangerous fight for Usyk. One shot and good night. One shot? Bruno surace has kod as many top 10(ring) fighters as wilder. Of course it could happen but you are massively overhyping his power which was built up on a steady diet of nobodies. He simply did not have the magical power you are describing. The stats clearly show that.

He'd have more of a punchers chance than Fury did, but brings much less of basically every other quality.

Yeah, Wilder's one cat the boxing advantages matter less for, but Wilder seems to have a hard time finding his balls these days. If he found his balls he could be a threat to any HW again. Anyone seen Wilder's balls? I think he is done. my point is, pre-Zhang Wilder would be a dangerous fight for Usyk. One shot and good night.

Not easy to avoid Wilder`s hand for 12 rounds. Ok, Parker did it. But I think that pre-Zhang Wilder gives usyk a harder fight than Fury did. Now Wilder is done, Zhang ruined him for good. Easier work than Fury. Their footwork is even worse. You can’t beat Usyk with poor foot work.

really thats strange because in his very next fight he was back to ko'ing tomato cans like always. no problem doing that. the only difference was level of competition which is what a lot of people were saying all along. his comp was incredibly weak except ortiz who schooled him until wilder caught him later. wilder would still be winning if he was fighting the pbc guys: arreola, washington, spilzka, etc...fighting better fighters is just a lot harder as wilder found out. he waited so long that people fell for it and turned their analytical brains off. he keeps ko'ing everyone! a guy like dubois fought a bunch of tough fights early in his career and lost a couple, but he still keeps coming back because he has the skills to do so, wilder does not. if wilder had taken tough fights like dubois he never would have hyped himself into huge fights and been given 100 million dollar offers. it really paid off not taking risks, for him, why should we like that though? I agree with you to some degree, Wilder was very obviously manufactured but I still believe his right hand was an A+ punch even if the rest of his skillet was D level

He's 40 years old and in particularly the third fury fight he took a career ending beating I've given wilder a lot of flak over the years but in the 3rd fury fight the man did something very few fighters do and that was to completely go out on his shield, it's very hard to come back from that. really thats strange because in his very next fight he was back to ko'ing tomato cans like always. no problem doing that. the only difference was level of competition which is what a lot of people were saying all along. his comp was incredibly weak except ortiz who schooled him until wilder caught him later. wilder would still be winning if he was fighting the pbc guys: arreola, washington, spilzka, etc...fighting better fighters is just a lot harder as wilder found out. he waited so long that people fell for it and turned their analytical brains off. he keeps ko'ing everyone! a guy like dubois fought a bunch of tough fights early in his career and lost a couple, but he still keeps coming back because he has the skills to do so, wilder does not. if wilder had taken tough fights like dubois he never would have hyped himself into huge fights and been given 100 million dollar offers. it really paid off not taking risks, for him, why should we like that though?

Yeah, Wilder's one cat the boxing advantages matter less for, but Wilder seems to have a hard time finding his balls these days. If he found his balls he could be a threat to any HW again. Anyone seen Wilder's balls? He's 40 years old and in particularly the third fury fight he took a career ending beating I've given wilder a lot of flak over the years but in the 3rd fury fight the man did something very few fighters do and that was to completely go out on his shield, it's very hard to come back from that.

Hey, I'm no fan of Wilder, I actually laughed when he got his ass beat multiple times and his co cky, band wagon fans ate crow but I call it like I see it. Wilder would have been more effective at either Cruiser or Bridger. he had a good run avoiding the munguia-surace type upset, even a bum can beat you and if you fight enough bums which he surely did, one is sure to get you

Wilder wouln't ecen try to win rounds. He needs one shot.

What? His management team was great. They managed to trick people into thinking he was a top guy when he clearly was not. They took a wrong turn in thinking fury was shot but wilder would still be undefeated knocking out bums for that wrong move but then again he did that for 5 years and got awat with it, that's like betting black 10 times and hitting every time. Amazing with a bum like wilder Hey, I'm no fan of Wilder, I actually laughed when he got his ass beat multiple times and his co cky, band wagon fans ate crow but I call it like I see it. Wilder would have been more effective at either Cruiser or Bridger.

Quality banter You think Fury can legit beat Ngannou in a rematch? Most people thought he got battered and lost to a novice making his pro debut.

You guys are still delusional about Wilder's quality. Even Fury didn't fight Wilder with particularly good "boxing" in the second and third fight, he simply employed aggressive overpowering tactics because he saw that Wilder couldn't take any sustained pressure. Usyk's pressure is a lot faster, more precise, much more constant, and he doesn't slow down. Wilder would be caught out of position so often with his horrible feet and balance that he would be in deep waters early in the fight. I think the most likely outcome would be for Usyk to stop Wilder or give him a horrible sustained beating. Wilder just couldn't handle guys who could move. He did well with big targets that mostly stood right in front of him. Even little Spilka was getting the better of him through much of their fight. Wilder also didn't have great stamina...heart, yes, but stamina, no. Fury knew all these qualities, or LACK of qualities about Wilder and that's why the 2nd and 3rd fight, he chose to fight him head on with reckless abandon...Particularly that third fight. Bermaine Stiverne was a perfect opponent for any tall fighter that could punch because Stiverne was so low output and plodding. He could only explode on a fighter if they were well within his reach, but he couldn't be effective with longer guys or fleetfooted boxers. The wins against him were smoke and mirrors for Wilder. I'm still surprised at how many people bought into the extreme Wilder hype. How many times do you guys need to be proven wrong.

Thats a past prime AJ who got battered by Dubois, but a prime Fury got battered by Ngannou. Quality banter

Yeah I have to agree, it would have been a good style match up but unfortunately for Wilder, he had a very incompetent team and stu pid management backing him (too many unnecessary beatings). I would like to see Wilder rebuild and try his hand at Bridgerweight and fight Usyk there. What? His management team was great. They managed to trick people into thinking he was a top guy when he clearly was not. They took a wrong turn in thinking fury was shot but wilder would still be undefeated knocking out bums for that wrong move but then again he did that for 5 years and got awat with it, that's like betting black 10 times and hitting every time. Amazing with a bum like wilder

No way is AJ second best of this era. He got battered and quit vs Ruiz and battered and sparked by Dubois. And that was a prime, confident AJ against Dubois. Hrgovic is better than AJ that's for sure Zhang? Bakole? Kabayel? Quite possibly. AJ might not be top 5 of this era Fury may not be number 2 as well I'll grant you that, it's very hard to rate this era outside of Usyk because the so many fights haven't happened. I think there's every chance a Bakole or Kabayel gives Usyk his toughest fight at heavyweight. Thats a past prime AJ who got battered by Dubois, but a prime Fury got battered by Ngannou. There's no comparison really. Fury's hype machine is over now, he was never as good as we were led to believe. He hyped up Wilder too and a lot of people fell for his tricks. If you think Hrgovic is better than AJ then you're saying he's better than Fury too. Zhang, Bakole and Agit may be better than Fury too, I'd agree on that one.