Deontay Wilder greatness

What was Deontay Wilder? A box office flop, an overachiever most the American public didn’t know existed and a champion. He was more well known than Andy Ruiz who got booed out of Carson during a fight with Chris Arreola. Lastly Wilder was failed by trainers as Breland should’ve let the Fury fight end in conclusion and Malik Scott unfortunately can’t pull blood from stone. Wilder was finished after Fury, buried after Parker, dug up cremate for Zhang and his bones and ashes will be above acid during both Ngannou and possibly Joshua fights.

Haha...exactly. And the windmills. Legendary! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s_wGlLlJNo I'm probably going to end up missing the crazy cunt

Dirty Ol Fury's punch n push technique has no defense. Once applied, game over. Even refs are unable to defuse it. Will be what gets him into the HOF. It's like the stunner, the amazing finishing move from 3-time Royal Rumble winner Stone Cold Steve Austin, when the move hits, it's game over. Cash in - His Excellency

The best thing about Dillian Whyte is his very real brother Dean Whyte. Whyte has never recovered from Tyson Fury's finishing move the punch-push combo. It was a thing of beauty. Cash in - His Excellency Cash in is Nash out's cousin & brother. He resides somewhere. Dirty Ol Fury's punch n push technique has no defense. Once applied, game over. Even refs are unable to defuse it. Will be what gets him into the HOF.

Whyte ?!?!?! Of all guys..... Whyte :lol1: ??? Why was Whyte never the man ??? There were other champs he could have throttled The best thing about Dillian Whyte is his very real brother Dean Whyte. Whyte has never recovered from Tyson Fury's finishing move the punch-push combo. It was a thing of beauty. Cash in - His Excellency Cash in is Nash out's cousin & brother. He resides somewhere.

this is real life sir. not wilder fantasy boxing. we dont just make up things. Mar 3, 2018 Wilder earned a $2.1 million purse on Saturday and Ortiz took home $500,000 in the loss Apr 10, 2018​ Eddie Hearn offers Deontay Wilder $12.5M to fight Anthony... hearn was so scared after wilder beat ortiz that he offered him 6 times his career high to fight joshua? then he offered him 100 million after that. these arent the actions of people who are scared to fight. not credible. also aj ducked ortiz? when did this happen? more fantasy? Oct 8, 2016​ Heavyweight Luis Ortiz signs with Matchoom Boxing Dec 11, 2016 Joshua Klitschko officially announced for April 29 Mar 29, 2017 Luis Ortiz ends relation with Matchroom​ Oct 20, 2017 Luis Ortiz suspended, stripped of mandatory status by WBA​ May 1, 2019​​ Ortiz was offered $7 million to fight Joshua or 14 times the amount he made against wilder ortiz is the one who left matchroom which would have made it much easier to get the fight, ortiz is the one who tested positive for ped's which cost him his mandatory status, ortiz is the one who turned down a career high payday to fight joshua. its all Joshua's fault that ortiz did these things! not credible. Ortiz did just about everything to make sure he didnt get the fight, oh wait he did run his mouth in the media which doesnt matter at all when it actually comes time to make the fight. ​​ ​ I'm afraid we do and that you've been sadly misinformed, sir. You may have been sadly misinformed, but everything Daggum wrote there was widely reported by boxing and sporting media journalists. Were they all misinformed? If so, how do you know the truth about what happened, when all those professional journalists got it wrong?

if its so easy to beat ranked guys why didnt wilder do it. ran into that one didnt you? This is the saddest HW era in the history of the sport GGGs reign was the saddest in the history of the sport. As for Wilder, besides AJ, who should he have fought that made sense. I understand how HINDSIGHT is perfect :lol1:

Nobody has ever argued that Deontay Wilder is "one of the greatest fighters ever" Just one of the biggest punchers ever, just like Earnie Shavers who never held the HW title. The only people obsessed with Wilder are Anthony Joshua stans. The rest of us just said he was a great athlete with a huge punch & fun to watch & that certain fighters ducked him. :rolleyes:

this is real life sir. not wilder fantasy boxing. we dont just make up things. ; I'm afraid we do and that you've been sadly misinformed, sir.

joshua is far above wilder as it stands right now. you keep talking about fantasy knockout wins that wilder doesnt have while joshua has a legit resume. yeah it could be better but i wish you would apply that same magnifying glass to wilder because his resume is sh-ite. guys like joyce, whyte, parker, ruiz have better resumes yet you talk about wilder as if hes something great. Joshua is "far above wilder as it stands right now" is a true statement. But it is owing to the fact that Joshua is 4 years younger. It's like saying that "Joshua is far above Foreman, Tyson or Lewis as it stands right now". Let's see where A.J. ranks in 4 years time. That being said. I rank Joshua a bit ahead of Wilder if measured by their career accomplishments to date: Best Heavyweights 2001 -2024 1. Wladimir Klitschko, UKR 2. Oleksandr Usyk, UKR 3. Tyson Fury, UK 4. Lennox Lewis, UK 5. Anthony Joshua, UK 6. Deontay Wilder, US 7. Zhilei Zhang, CHI 8. Vitali Klitschko, UKR 9. Andy Ruiz Jr, US 10. David Tua, AUS 11. Hasim Rahman, US 12. Joseph Parker, NZ 13. Daniel Dubois, UK 14. Luis Ortiz, CUB 15. Alexander Povetkin, RUS 16. Dillian Whyte, UK 17. Martin Bakole, CON 18. Joe Joyce, UK 19. Agit Kabayel, GER 20. Mike Tyson, US When I say "A Bit", I mean that I give Joshua his due points for superior ring generalship and quality of opposition, and Wilder points for superior power, defending his claim to the title more frequently, and never surrendering when the chips are down. The space between them could hardly be described as "Wilder faced only bums ", as some strong willed casual knowledge fans might argue. Wilder is done, and I see no future for him; but Joshua should have a good four years left in him, and those years will serve to either place distance between him and Wilder's body of work, or; they could drop him clearly below Wilder, on an all-time comparison. It begins with Dubois vs. Joshua, coming right up.

Whyte is a PED popping hype job who fights dirty and was exposed for being a pretender by Fury. 2 years Wilders mando for doing what exactly ? ​​​​​2017 Wilder was a legitimate threat to everybody. Hearn knew that so putting AJ in with him was never gonna happen especially after he fücked up Ortiz, who AJ also ducked. this is real life sir. not wilder fantasy boxing. we dont just make up things. Mar 3, 2018 Wilder earned a $2.1 million purse on Saturday and Ortiz took home $500,000 in the loss Apr 10, 2018​ Eddie Hearn offers Deontay Wilder $12.5M to fight Anthony... hearn was so scared after wilder beat ortiz that he offered him 6 times his career high to fight joshua? then he offered him 100 million after that. these arent the actions of people who are scared to fight. not credible. also aj ducked ortiz? when did this happen? more fantasy? Oct 8, 2016​ Heavyweight Luis Ortiz signs with Matchoom Boxing Dec 11, 2016 Joshua Klitschko officially announced for April 29 Mar 29, 2017 Luis Ortiz ends relation with Matchroom​ Oct 20, 2017 Luis Ortiz suspended, stripped of mandatory status by WBA​ May 1, 2019​​ Ortiz was offered $7 million to fight Joshua or 14 times the amount he made against wilder ortiz is the one who left matchroom which would have made it much easier to get the fight, ortiz is the one who tested positive for ped's which cost him his mandatory status, ortiz is the one who turned down a career high payday to fight joshua. its all Joshua's fault that ortiz did these things! not credible. Ortiz did just about everything to make sure he didnt get the fight, oh wait he did run his mouth in the media which doesnt matter at all when it actually comes time to make the fight. ​​

:lol1: Goes to show you Even BUMS are ranked if its so easy to beat ranked guys why didnt wilder do it. ran into that one didnt you?

No, it is a 1000% historical fact. Deontay Wilder is the greatest American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield. Wilder has been the only real historically significant American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield's retirement. It is irrelevant whether you think this historical fact holds up or not 'Compared to other all-time great heavyweights. Deontay Wilder was fortunate, that he appeared in the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time, when? As a Heavyweight fighter he could still compete at top level, even without elite level boxing skills and just rely heavily on his punching power, agression and resolve'. I have always stated? That I don't believe that Deontay Wilder stylistically would be a World Champion for very long in any other past Heavyweight era 'But Deontay Wilder was not a competitor during the 70's, late 80's or 90's Heavyweight boxing era's. Deontay Wilder was a competitive Heavyweight during the post Wladimir Kiltschko Heavyweight boxing era'. Note: Wilder took what abilities he had, and became one of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this boxing era 'Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. Those three fighters have been the three Heavyweight Mountains of this boxing era, it has been their era. If this boxing era was made into a movie, then those three fighters would be the main characters. That Heavyweight boxing era is now in its conclusive stages, all the major plot scenes have been played out and? Deontay Wilder was a major protagonists in this action adventure'. Award winning actors would want to play their characters. Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsesse, Quentin Tarantino would want to direct their parts. You have witnessed this movie and story play out, you have been one of the millions upon millions of observers 'So you know I am completely right'. To conclude: The perception of a fighter, alters when they are a Champion 'Their competitors approach them differently, and raise their game. Deontay Wilder was the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, and successfully defended his titles ten times. None of those fighters, which you have mentioned in your posts up above besides from Evander Holyfield have surpassed Deontay Wilder in terms of feats achieved, and being a great Champion'. I have in my past posts, compared the Heavyweight Championship of the World metaphorically to Thor's Hammer 'Only those fighters who are worthy enough, can hold the Heavyweight hammer aloft and wield the power as a Champion. If as a competitor you are not worthy enough, you will not stay as Champion for very long or eventually you will be beaten. Deontay Wilder defended his WBC World Heavyweight titles 10 times, he held the Heavyweight titles for just over 5 years'. Of course there have been better fighters than Deontay Wilder skill for skill, and in all round ability 'And on a fight by fight basis, they may have also beaten better fighters. But those other American Heavyweight fighters, were not the Champions Deontay Wilder was in terms of greatness and historically significance'. Deontay Wilder defended his titles, with every single metric of his power until there was no more 'And that is all you can ask of a Champion' etc. thats not what a fact is. that is an opinion. its like saying its a fact sven ottke is greater than canelo because ottke had more title defenses. no, its just a fact he had more title defenses, the meaning of those title defenses is up to us to determine and if you look at wilders title defenses they were crap except for ortiz. the guys i listed like andy ruiz, rahman, byrd, etc...have far better resumes than wilder at least imo and by the rankings etc...wilder is only greater if you think extending a title run with sh-it title defenses is something great, i dont. actually what you should ask of a champion is that he fight worthy opposition. he didnt which is why he was champ for so long

No, it is a 1000% historical fact. Deontay Wilder is the greatest American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield. Wilder has been the only real historically significant American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield's retirement. It is irrelevant whether you think this historical fact holds up or not 'Compared to other all-time great heavyweights. Deontay Wilder was fortunate, that he appeared in the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time, when? As a Heavyweight fighter he could still compete at top level, even without elite level boxing skills and just rely heavily on his punching power, agression and resolve'. - - Deyonce was "fortunate enough to be part of that mass robbing of Golden Boy fighters by Al Haymon who was smart enough to use TBE TUE's TBA, ie To Be Announced promotional tactics to hold a bunch of fighters in a stew waiting until selected 2-3 weeks in advance of the fight so they can't get in a proper training camp. He wasn't just outboxed in most of his title fights, he was beat up until he could score a couple of KDs which the bought off ref would conveniently stop the fight. Ortiz would've KOed him the first fight but for referee interference with the time clock to give Deyonce extra time to recover. Duhaupas was a decent but otherwise nothing French Hvy, yet on short notice was beating him up to no favor from the judges. Moreover, Deyonce had a completely shut eye, a massive black shiner that the ref would've stopped long ago had Duhaupas been in that condition. Growing desperate, Deyonce managed to land a good shot that knocked Duhaupas into a corner and the ref jumped in to stop the fight...yeah...:popcorn: All of Haymon's fights were orchestrated for his benefit, the reason fighter flocked to him knowing also they would only have fight once a year, yet would get paid well. ​

thats the opposite of a fact. that is something that is completely subjective. most title defenses is a fact yes but they werent against good opponents. also i dont think there have been many american champs since holyfield so thats not something that holds up well, the only guys i can think of are briggs, charles martin, rahman, john ruiz, andy ruiz, and byrd and i think all those guys are better and have better resumes than wilder except briggs and martin. so hes the 5th best since holyfield imo yet people continue to talk about him with great reverence. that shows you how great marketing and hype can really pay off No, it is a 1000% historical fact. Deontay Wilder is the greatest American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield. Wilder has been the only real historically significant American Heavyweight Champion since Evander Holyfield's retirement. It is irrelevant whether you think this historical fact holds up or not 'Compared to other all-time great heavyweights. Deontay Wilder was fortunate, that he appeared in the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time, when? As a Heavyweight fighter he could still compete at top level, even without elite level boxing skills and just rely heavily on his punching power, agression and resolve'. I have always stated? That I don't believe that Deontay Wilder stylistically would be a World Champion for very long in any other past Heavyweight era 'But Deontay Wilder was not a competitor during the 70's, late 80's or 90's Heavyweight boxing era's. Deontay Wilder was a competitive Heavyweight during the post Wladimir Kiltschko Heavyweight boxing era'. Note: Wilder took what abilities he had, and became one of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this boxing era 'Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. Those three fighters have been the three Heavyweight Mountains of this boxing era, it has been their era. If this boxing era was made into a movie, then those three fighters would be the main characters. That Heavyweight boxing era is now in its conclusive stages, all the major plot scenes have been played out and? Deontay Wilder was a major protagonists in this action adventure'. Award winning actors would want to play their characters. Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsesse, Quentin Tarantino would want to direct their parts. You have witnessed this movie and story play out, you have been one of the millions upon millions of observers 'So you know I am completely right'. To conclude: The perception of a fighter, alters when they are a Champion 'Their competitors approach them differently, and raise their game. Deontay Wilder was the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, and successfully defended his titles ten times. None of those fighters, which you have mentioned in your posts up above besides from Evander Holyfield have surpassed Deontay Wilder in terms of feats achieved, and being a great Champion'. I have in my past posts, compared the Heavyweight Championship of the World metaphorically to Thor's Hammer 'Only those fighters who are worthy enough, can hold the Heavyweight hammer aloft and wield the power as a Champion. If as a competitor you are not worthy enough, you will not stay as Champion for very long or eventually you will be beaten. Deontay Wilder defended his WBC World Heavyweight titles 10 times, he held the Heavyweight titles for just over 5 years'. Of course there have been better fighters than Deontay Wilder skill for skill, and in all round ability 'And on a fight by fight basis, they may have also beaten better fighters. But those other American Heavyweight fighters, were not the Champions Deontay Wilder was in terms of greatness and historically significance'. Deontay Wilder defended his titles, with every single metric of his power until there was no more 'And that is all you can ask of a Champion' etc.

Gym humor nothing more nothing less. Oscar out here literally wearing thongs yet not a peep from you two :rolleyes: Gimme a break. ​ {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"ezgif-6-18002f6dba23.gif","data-attachmentid":32351270} Can't you read? This thread is about the greatness of Deontay Wilder. If you want to talk shit about De La Coka, start your own thread.

If ever there was a HW to exploit, this was the one. My boy Jimmy would have been undefeated in this era :lol1: Grimsley would have been a contender They would both be visiting the UK regularly as opponents for the likes of Johnny Fisher and David Adeleye

He actually started trying to become more of a boxer and guess what, that's when he started losing his edge and effectiveness. And yet, one of his best performances was the first Stiverne fight, where he outboxed his opponent with ease. What I believe is, Deontay became too enamoured of his power. Had he built upon the skills he showed against Stiverne while mixing them with the right hand hammer, things would have developed interestingly.

I loved what he brought to the table and still feel like he didn't reach his full potential in his prime and the fights we could have had. Boxing purists didn't like him because of his behavior, protection but also something they won't admit. He was anything but a conventional boxer, what he did went against all their elitist rules of pugilism and yet he enjoyed great success with his unorthodox methods. He actually started trying to become more of a boxer and guess what, that's when he started losing his edge and effectiveness.

Gym humor nothing more nothing less. Oscar out here literally wearing thongs yet not a peep from you two :rolleyes: Gimme a break. Brother, if you have a minute take a look at my posts' history. I'm probably the nastiest De La Hoya basher around the globe, ever since he was all the rage in the 90s and I was just in my 30s. I've posted so much stuff against that fake that I have almost grown tired doing it. If this tranquilizes you, I do like Deontay in spite of his flaws, whereas I will never be able to stand Oscar. Neither his younger fighting version, nor his current degraded one. Just so you know.