Hopkins > Floyd > past prime fighters
Bernard Hopkins... King of the head butt...King of the boring fights... king of the punch and clinch... This makes someone an A.T.G? Truthfully, hopkins hasnt done shit since he KOed Trinidad. This chump even screamed the silent black man rule (never let a whiteboy beat me) and LOST!!! WTF?!?!?!? Hopkins sucks to me... I'm sorry but he does. He throws 250 punches per fight and he's a serious clown. You should see him driving De La Hoyas old bentley around Delaware smh. Dude isn't that good. He loss to Jermain "Nap Nap" Taylor, should of lost to Winky, Calzaghe, and other lames... dude is ok to me. Not great. Some praise him for beating up Pavlik but come on now. Pavlik moved up in weight to fight him. Not to mention we all just learned that Pavlik is a MUMMY.- Boxing scenes own BADGUY
Try the same thread with Floyd "RESTING" Mayweather, if you think Hopkins in not an ATG, what do you of think of Floyd...
Bradley by destruction over Alexander who fights like an amateur, trying to hit often with no power and no intention to hurt, Alexander is not ready for Bradley, he's a protected fighter who won his last fight with some blind/crooked judges...
No doubt, pascal is the champ, and is a tough guy, any fight that envolves him is goin to be all out cuz he brings it, him and cloud would make a classic at 175
True, do you know that Danny Green also wants to fight Pascal, what's your opinion on that fight.
People say Chad had a bad night because he was hesitant and didnt throw enough punches. Fighters don't just become hesitant because of nothing...Pascal was in there throwing bombs, and bringing the heat to Dawson. He made Dawson hesitant and reluctant to let his hands go. The dude was going in and out but leaving bombs in between. Dawson to me seemed surprised and reluctant to engage. He doesn't appear to be the type of fighter who engages in a war which is something that pascal took advantage of and exploited. Pascal was fast and explosive...
I thought the scene was going to give Pascal his props after I saw the fight, but it seems as if everyone is making up excuses for Dawson instead of recognizing that he got beat clearly.
Great post
Pascal deserves a lot more credit for his perfomance against Dawson, i don't understand the hate... I have Pascal winning the rematch, Dawson will not become a warrior in less than a year so he just can't beat Pascal in those conditions...
I think cloud can KO Pascal, Pascal is a hell of a fighter, but if he ran from dawson he would definitley run from cloud, im not tryin to hype cloud up but i think pascal would have his hands full, not sayin that pascal cant win because he would be the favorite
I just can't see Cloud doing better than Dawson who had his hands full all night against Pascal. I think Cloud just won't be able to deal with Pascal's footwork and speed. But anything can happen in a fight so...
Pascal had a fight plan and it did work cause Dawson was Dawson, nothing more, nothing less, can he be better fighter, maybe. First he must stop fighting grandpa's, cause when you face a young champion, things are happening a lot faster. Pascal will win the rematch, especially if Dawson continues to disrespect Pascal....
You're never faster when you step up in weight. Especially with the muscles Pascal has put on. He may be stronger but not faster. Even so, that strength advantage would be nullified if Froch stepped up in weight to LHW.
I just don't see how beating Diacanu and Dawson, all without radically changing his boxing style, can make Pascal favourite against the guy who beat him pretty handily the first time round. It would be a closer fight but a 10-2 prediction is way off the mark. Pascal may win, but until the moment he beats Froch, I have to make Froch the favourite to win a rematch.
Not true, in fact it's a myth many amateur boxers are afraid to do to weight lifting because they think they will lose speed. For exemple : Ali only got slower because of aging not because he put more weight on his body, he was fast when he was 195 and still fast or even faster at 215. Again, watch some fights with Ali...
Froch isn't a good style match up for Pascal full stop. And all this Pascal was weight drained when he fought Froch nonsense needs to stop. He wasn't weight drained or hindered. Froch was just better than him. On top of this, Pascal looks slower at LHW, and looks unnaturally big like he has put on too much mass. To be honest, I believe Froch would suit LHW better than Pascal. He has the frame for it and could easily add more mass without looking blown up. Thus I think Froch beats Pascal at whatever weight they choose to fight at. It might be a closer matchup but no way does Pascal beat Froch 10-2. That's a crazy and ignorant statement.
Ive been boxing for 30 years, i have trained with many pros... watch the fight with Dawson and right after watch the fight with Froch, Pascal is even faster and much stronger, BTW calm down son... i even said that i respected Froch in my post..
After Abraham, Froch's last five opponents will look like this -
Abraham
Kessler
Dirrell
Taylor
Pascal
No wonder why boxing is in the *****er when warriors like Froch get needlessly hated upon.
He might not have a lot of skill, but he makes for an exciting fight and has balls the size of bowling balls. If you don't like him I suggest you leave the thread and go watch 12 boring rounds of 'slick' boxing. Me, I would rather watch Froch walk head first into his opponents best punches, smile, and then throw some of his own.
People are talking about Froch since Pascal have beat Dawson. The problem is that Pascal fought him at 168 wich was not a good division for him "he had problems making 168...", he's a natural LWH, in a rematch Froch would lose by UD 10-2. I respect Froch though, he's a warrior...
Russ Anber and it's not even close, Atlas was the man who said that David Lemieux was going to get schooled by Ayala. Maybe Ayala believed him, cause he got KO'd in the first round by Lemieux... Russ Anber said before the fight between Dawson and Pascal, that Pascal was as good or even better than Dawson and look what happened during the fight... Russ Anber > Teddy Atlas
Killing spree
Death treats ? That's just sick, the guy gives his opinion about Floyd vs Manny and now his life is in danger... Man up Floyd fans, BTW Mayweather lost the fight to Castillo...
Honest ordinary guy:killyou:Flomo in a killing spree
Pascal by KO....he's too explosive. I'm surprised Danny wants the fight because it's going to have to take place outside of Australia.
I guess Green really believes that he can beat Pascal, personally i don't see how he can do that...
He needs to fight Pacquiao and beat him only if he wants to be considered a Top 20 ATG. If he doesn't want to be an ATG and prefer to spend his $$$$$$$ in shopping malls, i have no problem with that. I just don't want to here Floyd say : I'M THE GOAT !
I am a boxing fan,which includes Pacman,but I just don't by him getting a title at 154 by fighting Margarito at a catchweight!!I've always criticized Floyd for taking the easiest fights possible & avoiding prime elite fighters,so now I feel that Pacman is doing the same!!There are qualified elite fighters at 154,who have been campaining their & are more worthy of a title fight in that weight class,I don't see why Bob Arum can get away with having 2 fighters,neither 1 a champ,fighting for a title when there are more suitable 154 pounders there!!
Miguel Cotto went to 154 & fought & beat a champ,why does a percieved better fighter than he get to fight Margarito for a title in that weight class??I truly believe that a fight with Cintron,Angulo,the Punisher or Martinez,"the European too",does more for his legacy than a cheater who is nothing at 154 ever could!!Please boxing fans,convince why I'm wrong,thank U!!
That's the problem with boxing now, look at Dawson who was fighting grandpa's and was surprise by Pascal speed and power. Floyd is another example, Mosley is way past prime, i don't even recognize him when he's fighting now, he use to be twice as good. What's the point for Floyd to fight that old man... IMO Margarito shouldn't be allowed to boxe anymore. If someone would hurt me in the ring with bricks in his gloves, i would hate that guy for the rest of my life, there is no excuse for that.
Yeah..........that is what happened
He is going to dominate the amateurish Pascal in a rematch because that is the best Pascal can fight and everyone knows Dawson is much much better than he showed last week.
That's not true and i have never said that Dawson was a bad fighter, my prediction for the first fight was : Close fight, can't see who is going to win...
Now, i thought it would be a close fight because: Dawson had only watch Pascal once on video against Froch ! That's just weak preparation for a fight, first, Pascal was at 168 in that fight, it was also a learning experience for him and he learned a lot by doing better than he thought ! After that fight, he had 2 great wars against Diaconu "who is underrated btw" with one of them with a separated shoulder. They put his shoulder back in place 3 times during that fight. Pascal went throught surgery and fought Dawson without any tuneup fight in between. Dawson will respect Pascal in the rematch so that will help him but he still has a weak team with him. Pascal will be more confident and knows how to hurt him and at the same time he took Dawson's best uppercut without being KO'd. That's why i see Pascal winning the rematch...
He didn't have to lose voluntarily... he got his ass kicked by the WBC WC Jean Pascal, Dawson will lose again in the rematch, fighting grandpa's didn't help his career...
Damn I forgot about his eye. Well that explains a lot. And not to mention his shoulder.
Well then 2011 is going to be a big year for his career. He should have a tuneup or fight Diaconu if he wants to go straight into big fights, then Pascal, and then Bute or Cloud.
His shoulder is ok, but the cut was a very bad one. A tuneup fight will be needed for Dawson, but his team is still in panic mode... they just can't admit that Dawson was simply not the best man during that fight, that's not good for Dawson. From what i see around him, he shouldn't fight Diaconu in his first fight, Diaconu did better against Pascal than he did so that's not a sure bet.
Well don't laugh then..:gives:.
I've been to Canada and don't have any problem with Canadians...
And don't get too hype on Pascal...he's good but he aint THAT good!
Good for you, but Pascal deserves some respect, he did beat Diaconu with a dislocated shoulder and won almost every rounds against Dawson... I don't see how Hopkins can beat him but i you think he can, i respect your opinion.
was thinking. I've tried both (briefly). With MMA it seemed like there is no escape of any kind so once your in there, your in there until KO or the long messy decision.
I've taken a gd body shot in boxing and took a knee for an 8 count, i tried the same in MMA and got whooped after going to a knee.
My take MMA = more heart, but then again at pro lvl in boxing especially the champ rounds I cant imagine the heart needed.
Your thoughts?
I did both, you're getting hurt and you try to beat another man who have trained for years, so i say they both need heart...
BTW, in boxing, usually after round 6 in a tough fight, because of the pain, your heart is needed to continue...
As soon as he started throwing in the 11th Pascal looked like he was about to be done.
Sure Pascal was gassed, but he was also gassed by the 8th round.
The lost art in boxing right now is finishing. There are so many fighters who smell the blood but just cruise to the decision rather then finish.
That's probably why Dawson was holding for his life in the 10th... Dawson was hurt badly many times in that fight, watch the fight again. Also, Pascal didn't put a knee down in the 11, why ? Because he was not in trouble, Pascal was winning an easy fight, if Dawson would have been able to hurt him badly in that round, Pascal would have a put a knee down, don't you think ?
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I have Bernard by UD...
Should be deleted for racist ****, Canadian boxers don't need your hate, you're probably crying like a little girl cause your man Dawson got his ass kicked by Pascal. But don't hang yourself, the WBC WC Pascal agreed to a rematch close, so Dawson will have a second chance.
Canadian WC :killyou: -EX- The racist
I honestly think Devon would lose the rematch. He really got exposed in that fight. I would like to see him fight Bradley next and then go for the rematch.But, another lost to either one of these guys will be a huge setback for him.It'll look like he was just all hype and cannot beat the upperclass of his division.
He's probably all hype and he lost the fight to Kotelnik, either he needs more time or he just doesn't have enough skills to compete with the best, he wouldn't be the first to lose only to the top fighters...
It was a joke...in reference to Bernard sayin he'd never lose to a white boy (which he did):?!::ugh:
Canadian WC Pascal is white ? I'm not laughing ... Don't worry, you're not alone, you have some friends in my sig ! BTW, Hopkins should retire, he's still healthy, he could get hurt against Pascal...
I think cloud could give pascal some of the problems pascal gave dawson, pascal probly wins but it wouldnt be easy, cloud is a completely different cat compared to diacanou
Did you see the fight when Pascal won the war against Diaconu with a dislocated shoulder, in his corner, Pascal team put his shoulder back in place 3times during the fight. Pascal is a tough guy, everybody knew that, but what they didn't knew is how fast he was. Dawson thought it would be an easy fight, he was already talking about Bute and how people of Montreal would love to see him do his next "great" fights in Montreal, that's what you call being confident ! But i understand your point and i respect your opinion...