If Devon Alexander ever wants to be an ATG he should take page from Floyd Mayweather.

What? He brings nothing to the table why fight him in the first place. Gtfoh with that bullsh1t duke. Who the f-ck is Alexander. Who has he beat. it was supposed to be an easy fight for Alexander they even announced the January 29 date for him and Bradley weeks before he fought Kotelnik. thats how its Alexander has some buzz right now and a Khan or Bradley even ortiz or Maidana fight would get him more money and fame it was a tune up for the Bradley fight that went really bad

Kotelnik brings nothing to the table why the hell would he fight him again when he wont be able to do anything against that right jab. bad style match up for what was supposed to be a tune up for Bradley. and JLC had a rematch clause in his contract against Mayweather and was the world champ, kotelnik was a tune up fight that went wrong. not the same thing

I don't know if he can't do better. That is why it is a question mark that should be answered. You said earlier it was an off night, he just had a bad night. Fine prove it was a bad night. Fight him again. I give you Bradley is the best of the division. Khan already has a dominant win over Kotelnik. But, Ortiz? I still don't understand how is better or a tougher opponent than Kotelnik? To want Ortiz or for fans to think Ortiz is a justifyable choice over Kotelnik is mind boggling to me. You have to dare to be great. You don't fight Ortiz, you rematch Kotelnik. I would give him a pass for Bradley and Khan but not Ortiz. A rematch with Kotelnik is the fight. Not Ortiz. I see where you are coming from but a loss right now for Alexander would set him back big time. Especially now when all the 140 Pounders are fighting except Bradley. Last I heard Kotelnik was moving to 147. It was an off night. He fought the wrong fight IMO. He didnt follow Cunningham's advice. He stood right in front of him. He didnt set traps , he didnt lure him in for counters he played right into Kotelniks hands. I thinkt he same thing would happen again because of Kotelniks style. I actually think Ortiz is a very good fighter. If he beat Alexander it wouldnt shock me. That fight is a toss up in my eyes. Ortiz gets a lot of hate because of the Maidana fight but people forget he dropped him 3 times. Ortiz is a good fighter. Hes no pushover. Now of they fight down the road thats one thing but back to back could be a disaster for his career. I dont think he wants that fight right after he won he brought out the Bradkley shirt. I dont think Cunningham would let him anywhere near Kotelnik if he wanted to.

The point is. Alexander 9 times out of 10 would look exactly the same vs, Kotelnik again. Styles make fights. You honestly think Alexander will look more convincing in a second fight? He fight him again he will lose foreal this time. Thats pointless. He should move on and test himself vs. other fighters I dont know when Ortiz turned into a pushover on NSB but hes a good 140 Pound fighter. Khan-Maidana have a fight Bradley is messing around Ortiz is the next best choice. If he fights Kotelnik again he will lose. His legacy isnt dependant on a rematch with him. If he beats Ortiz, Khan and Bradkley will anyone say "well hes not great because he didnt fight Kotelnik again". I dont think they will and theyd be dumb to do so. I don't know if he can't do better. That is why it is a question mark that should be answered. You said earlier it was an off night, he just had a bad night. Fine prove it was a bad night. Fight him again. I give you Bradley is the best of the division. Khan already has a dominant win over Kotelnik. But, Ortiz? I still don't understand how is better or a tougher opponent than Kotelnik? To want Ortiz or for fans to think Ortiz is a justifyable choice over Kotelnik is mind boggling to me. You have to dare to be great. You don't fight Ortiz, you rematch Kotelnik. I would give him a pass for Bradley and Khan but not Ortiz. A rematch with Kotelnik is the fight. Not Ortiz.

But, they should of. They all should of dared to be great. That is why none of those 4 guys are or will be ATG's. The point is. Alexander 9 times out of 10 would look exactly the same vs, Kotelnik again. Styles make fights. You honestly think Alexander will look more convincing in a second fight? He fight him again he will lose foreal this time. Thats pointless. He should move on and test himself vs. other fighters I dont know when Ortiz turned into a pushover on NSB but hes a good 140 Pound fighter. Khan-Maidana have a fight Bradley is messing around Ortiz is the next best choice. If he fights Kotelnik again he will lose. His legacy isnt dependant on a rematch with him. If he beats Ortiz, Khan and Bradkley will anyone say "well hes not great because he didnt fight Kotelnik again". I dont think they will and theyd be dumb to do so.

Only difference is Floyd was injured the first fight, so he knew without him being injured he would fair much better against Castillo. Nothing was wrong with Alexander and if he rematched again he just might lose. Says who? Floyd? Anyways.... Floyd fans are idiots. I am convinced of this. I should of just mentioned Roy Jones in the title. His fans would had more intellect to the point of the thread. If he losses he lose but he dared to be great. Again I understand going after Bradley and Khan. But, Ortiz? No you remove all doubt you give that man a rematch.

Over fighting the Number 1 140 Pounder (Bradley)? Stop it Iceta. Hes not Mayweather. At 23 Mayweather was one of the best fighters on the planet. Alexander is no Floyd. Did Berto rematch Collazo? Did Marg rematch Williams? Did Oscar rematch Tito? Did Winky rematch Taylor? Man it will have no bearing on Alexander's status or career. "rasie his stock with fans". wouldnt beating Bradley do that? But, they should of. They all should of dared to be great. That is why none of those 4 guys are or will be ATG's.

how does it hurt his legacy? official records have him beating kotelnik. it was a close fight that could have gone either way. i was shaking my head at the television because kotelnik didnt throw enough punches. typical european fighter. another thing, it cant be called a duck when you went 12 rounds with the guy. it sounds as stupid as the idiots who say pac is ducking marquez. NEW RULE- YOU CANT SAY A FIGHTER IS DUCKING SOMEONE WHO HE HAS ALREADY FACED. you're a fan, so you think like a fan. If you were a fighter or one who is in charge of guiding a fighter, you would think like one. you would choose to rematch kotlenik instead of doing the right thing both boxing & career wise & trying to make a fight with bradley or khan. Khan is big money and already beat Kotelnik. But, the problem is he will not be fighting Khan next if the Bradley fight won't go through. He is calling Ortiz if the Bradley fight doesn't go through. Oritz is on a senior citizen tour since getting exposed as the heartless, quitting, hypejob that he was rumored being before. You should dare to be great, you should remove all doubt. Floyd did this with Castillo, Roy did this with Tarver.

are you crazy? who told you that bull**** that manny offered marquez the immediate rematch, marquez always repeats in his interviews that he was chasing manny after the first fight.about the third fight i heard that they didn't agree on money split. how you know he priced his self out? maybe manny offered very little amount of money to marquez and marquez refused. anyway ortiz is tougher than Kotelnik. Yea OK make a thread and then we can discuss it there. And, I will give you links of everything. I won't discuss Pac in this thread.

Do you even think Alexander has the potential to be an atg? I dont see that kind of potential in him at all i wasnt even impressed when he fought Urango. I mean he still young who is to say. At 23 B-Hop didn't seem like he had potential to be an ATG. Not saying that Alexander is the next B-Hop. But, at this stage he is a top fighter period. He is not a prospect, he is a top fighter at a young age. Is lame to say that Floyd at this age was blah blah blah. Not the point. The point is that Floyd dared to be great by doing an immediate rematch. You have to dare to be great. It was a close fight that Floyd IMO lost but he wanted to remove all doubt and gave an immediate rematch. If Alexander ever wants to remove all doubt he should do the same.

He'll alwaybe a question mark unless he just beats so many good fighters then. He had a bad night. Every fighter has one. Beating Ortiz is a start. Ortiz is no push over. Hes fast, has a good jab, has good pop, a great left hand. Hes a real good southpaw IMO.

Ortiz is a Top 140 Pounder though. If he fights Kotelnik the fight will look no different than the first one. He didnt have an injured rotator cuff like Floyd did. Thats why I dont agree with the comparison. He should just move on and take it as a learning experience. He'll alwaybe a question mark unless he just beats so many good fighters then.

I get what you're saying, but why fight Ortiz who is a hype job until he proves otherwise over a guy who a lot of people think beat you? Certainly doesn't gain any points with me. Ortiz is a Top 140 Pounder though. If he fights Kotelnik the fight will look no different than the first one. He didnt have an injured rotator cuff like Floyd did. Thats why I dont agree with the comparison. He should just move on and take it as a learning experience.

Over fighting the Number 1 140 Pounder (Bradley)? Stop it Iceta. Hes not Mayweather. At 23 Mayweather was one of the best fighters on the planet. Alexander is no Floyd. Did Berto rematch Collazo? Did Marg rematch Williams? Did Oscar rematch Tito? Did Winky rematch Taylor? Man it will have no bearing on Alexander's status or career. "rasie his stock with fans". wouldnt beating Bradley do that? I get what you're saying, but why fight Ortiz who is a hype job until he proves otherwise over a guy who a lot of people think beat you? Certainly doesn't gain any points with me.

Hell yeah. If Alexander wanted to raise his stock with fans who don't think high of him he'd give Kotelnik a rematch. What do you mean that fight doesn't serve any purpose? Over fighting the Number 1 140 Pounder (Bradley)? Stop it Iceta. Hes not Mayweather. At 23 Mayweather was one of the best fighters on the planet. Alexander is no Floyd. Did Berto rematch Collazo? Did Marg rematch Williams? Did Oscar rematch Tito? Did Winky rematch Taylor? Man it will have no bearing on Alexander's status or career. "rasie his stock with fans". wouldnt beating Bradley do that?

Hell yeah. If Alexander wanted to raise his stock with fans who don't think high of him he'd give Kotelnik a rematch. What do you mean that fight doesn't serve any purpose?

No point in fighting Kotelnik again. It proves nothing.

:nonono: :pat: First of all Manny did offer JMM an immedite rematch after the first fight if I am not mistaken. JMM turned to down to take way less money and fight Chris John. Pac also offered JMM a third fight which JMM priced himself out. Alexander said if Bradley fight can't happen then bring on Ortiz. I seriously can't say that Ortiz is clearly a better tougher opponent than Kotelnik. So is apples and oranges. Why bring up Pac? are you crazy? who told you that bull**** that manny offered marquez the immediate rematch, marquez always repeats in his interviews that he was chasing manny after the first fight.about the third fight i heard that they didn't agree on money split. how you know he priced his self out? maybe manny offered very little amount of money to marquez and marquez refused. anyway ortiz is tougher than Kotelnik.

Business side yea makes sense to duck Kotelnik cuz he would get beat again. However, legacy wise it will hurt. Do you even think Alexander has the potential to be an atg? I dont see that kind of potential in him at all i wasnt even impressed when he fought Urango.

this is actually a great post burner. why risk a big money fight vs bradley by fighting kotelnik & possibly losing again? the fact that devon looks exposed & beatable gives him great money fights vs khan, bradley & possibly some of the big names at 147. Business side yea makes sense to duck Kotelnik cuz he would get beat again. However, legacy wise it will hurt.