On paper it would be Larry Holmes but for the fact that Larry came out of retirement to take the fight on such short notice.
Personally I was pretty impressed with the quick KO of Trevor Berbick and the win over Pinklon Thomas. Everything after seemed anticlimactic.
Or at least one must assume so given the fact that his trainer Virgil Hunter has claimed that Eric Skoglund turned down a fight with Ward as he allegedly would not do VADA tests.
When that happens and you actually want the fight, I'm betting it's often customary to sign for the fight without controls as asked for, assume the worst, and make whatever preparations deemed necessary to insure that your fighter is on a level playing field.
One day pro cycling criteriums in Europe have never had doping controls nor has the last stage of the TDF when they finish the stage with a circuit race on the Champs-Elysees in Paris.....never. That's traditional. (Not sure about '86 because they differed with a time trial that one year only)
You don't win those kinds of contests without being on a level playing field, so to speak
If a fighter's opponent insists on a contract free of controls then you've got to assume the worst and make arraignments accordingly.
Thus it is in cycling or big bucks boxing. To do it otherwise is an injustice to your own fighter.
These arguments are just hilarious. People who start these are people who have never been in a street fight probably. But I do beg the question, who gives ONE ****? Is this site called "Street-fightscene.com"? No it's "boxingscene.com" so let's talk boxing not veiled floyd hating bull****. Want to know what works best in a street fight? What style? Any goddamm style that's what. Eye gouging, biting, nut punching, ear pulling, whatever Gd works to win. UFC tries to sell their bs as "real fighting". Give me a break. I didn't know in "real fighting" you couldn't stomp on someone's head or knee them in the head when down or elbow them in certain ways lol. Mma sold that bull**** to its fans. It doesn't matter if Floyd's style works in a street fight or not, but obviously at 48-0 it sure does work in the goddamm ring doesn't it? Lol Jesus.
Hear Hear :haha:
Better fight than Leonard / Haggler
Pacquiao obviously a dangerous little fighter. Just didn't quite have the right style for Floyd as I've always said. Still he touched Floyd so that it was felt a couple times.
Floyd the most well rounded of the bunch, imo.
I'm gonna say Rigo for a distant runner up but will agree he has some flaws. Ward could well be argued the next runner up.
Yeah, agree B-Hop also potentially a bad style match-up for GGG.
Even now Hopkins has targeted Froch and Golovkin and I think he knows what styles he fares well against even if he is maybe too long in the tooth to pull it off at this point.
B-Hop needs to fold his cards at this point dammit :sad6:....He may prove me wrong yet again but it's probably going to be mostly downhill from here.
I see it being an inside fighter giving him the most problems, someone who smothers his punches. He has been cutting off the "hit and run" guys his whole career, there's footage of him fighting Dirrell on youtube.
Ward's not really a hit and run guy, but I do think his is the style which would trouble Golovkin. The added size will also factor in, but I don't see that fight happening for some time.
You might be right. I just don't see him cutting off the runners quite like Hagler (at least in rematches) as he stays more planted for the punching leverage. Yeah Ward's style is slick and spoiling......I see trouble for GGG in that one. Golovkin might've had problems with a middleweight B-Hop as well.
He does his style pretty well, managing to both plant himself for punching power and still cut off the ring well in pressuring opponents. Not an easy mix to perfect.
He reminds me most of Julio Cesar Chavez in that regard. His problems will probably come with the first really good hit-n-run artist he comes across (don't see any on the horizon at 160) or Andre Ward at 168 should he have to go there for a payday..
Seems like Maxie forgot Johnson vs Jeffries.......but yeah, it would have been big. The stupidity of it all astounds me and bespeaks how far the sport has gone to destroy itself with inherent greed and ego.
Johnson / Jeffries and probably Gans / Nelson 1 as well.
Big problem is getting universal controls in place in boxing. As it is now it's up to the fighters camps signing the contracts as to whether there are going to be any controls or not. Not only that but the tests have to be administered in a timely manner or they are useless to anyone savvy as to beating the tests.
There is going to be resistance to any kind of universal controls in this sport so long as you have so many sanctioning bodies influenced by promoters and fighter's camps that don't really want their fighters tested. It's hard enough to get this right in cycling where you have one sanctioning body.....with a recent history of corruption itself.
Walters
Rigondeaux (if he moves up)
Gonzalez
Mares
Lomachenko
I'm a featherweight fan from way back and would love to see Rigondeaux in the mix should he have to move up to get fights. Rigondeaux/Walters would have to be a winner with Walters putting the pressure on like Donaire never dared to do.
I still like Donaire for that matter but I don't think he can carry the power into the 126 pounders.
Hopkins @ 160 would have destroyed Golovkin.
"Schooled" might be more descriptive. Even at that it would have been interesting as GGG is no 1-2 fighter along the lines of Pavlik or Tarver. Lets just say I would have picked B-Hop but would have measured any money bets carefully.
Yeah I'm gonna go with Donaire's left hook at up to 122lbs. Reminds me of Bob Foster's although Nonito relies too much on opponents moving into it and doesn't have the "plan B" for if they won't.
Love or hate him: Klit has a pretty decent right hand behind all that left-pawing and Golovkin is the all round stalk and beat down fighter.
Crap! I almost forgot Tito Trinidad, still active for awhile after 2000.
i dont care about that fair play fake moral high ground bullsh*t.
nobody is dying as a result of these medications being used.
if its so acceptably wide known to use, where are the dead bodies?
Yeah EPO can be deadly if you aren't monitoring hemocrit while using it and there were fatalities in cycling when it first began to be used. Problem is that it thickens blood when the user isn't active so heart attacks in one's sleep are sometimes the result.
When cycling teams were using it they were monitoring riders hemocrit before there were tests for it. Back then the controls simply measured white blood cells and if they were over 50% the rider was disqualified. So the teams kept track of the hemocrit to keep it just under 50%.
This isn't something you want youngsters to try on their own without the proper monitoring equipment and someone who knows what they are doing with it.
I thought we were going to be talking defense attorneys, lol.
I like a pre-'67 Ali's adaptability although the weights have increased so as to make the modern heavyweight era much more challenging.
Roy was a great alright but if Bob Foster were to connect with that lights-out left hook I don't see him standing up under it at any point in his career.
Tough choice but without revealing my pick I figure each would have eventually met the fighter with the right style to lose to.
Everyone (almost) loves the puncher but Jones had the more adaptable style for longevity. I do think there's something to the theory that Jones lost a lot by gaining the weight and going back down to lightheavyweight although I fault him for moving to his right with southpaws too often.
Once Jones loses some speed I think his chin betrays him though. I'm still picking Bob Foster over him in the lightheavyweight dream matches.....I wouldn't see him standing up under that left hook if he ever caught it at any point in his career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeMCrCVDmw4&feature=youtu.be&annotation_id=annotation_3592527435&feature=iv&src_vid=NeMCrCVDmw4&t=15m19s
Rafael Marquez should probably deserve mention with a good percentage and as displayed at just over 15 min of this fight with Heriberto Ruiz.
Substances arent banned if they are just performance enhancing alone, they also have to be either, bad for you or are against the spirit of the sport.
theres a number of supplements that help performance that are allowed.
The reason things like EPO that help with endurance are banned is because they are Perfrmance enhancing and dangerous to take.
http://www.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/
A blood/oxygen booster like EPO is very dangerous when used without Hemocrit monitoring equipment. Several cyclists that began using this in the early '90s died from heart attacks in their sleep because their blood thickened while not active. It's not something you want just anybody playing with.
I can't honestly choose from those two choices as one might or might not surpass the other depending on circumstances.
Not getting hit too much in out-and-out wars when you're young and a style that conserves energy are what it takes for longevity at this, imo.
.........and its unlikely that Rigo fights at 126.
He seems a little light for the division alright but we'll see how hungry he is for the payday if the superbantams keep hiding out.
He isn't underrated by me.
I don't even much like the guy but always put him as my pick for history's best middleweight and he pretty much racked up the creds to make that pick look pretty non-subjective. IOW....he was little hyped as he came up and learned and earned it on the job the hard way.
It might not guarantee no corruption but it would lessen it if only it were possible.......unfortunately I see little possibility in implementing such a plan at this point in history. Boxing is the only sport without a single policing organization. With several sanctioning bodies and competing promoters with their own agendas you'd never get everybody on board for any number of reasons, not the least being regulating PED controls which is hard enough in pro cycling which has only one sanctioning body with a recent history of corruption.
It would take an act of congress and I hope they aren't talking about any congressional involvement. There's too much "special interest influence" in congress already, lol.
Personally I don't really care if Golovkin is popular or rated PFP #1, I just found it interesting how highly an experienced rival trainer rated him.
I've been noticing Roach's criticisms of Golovkin's team as well.