May/Pac = SRL/Hagler?

Leonard beating hagler is like Oscar coming out of retirement and beating golovkin... It's just an absurd achievement to have on your resume.. Without a doubt, SRL beating Hagler was one of the all time great upsets, it can't be denied. The manner of victory, the fluidity still visible in Leonard at the time makes it even better.

Leonard beating hagler is like Oscar coming out of retirement and beating golovkin... It's just an absurd achievement to have on your resume..

Better fight than Leonard / Haggler Pacquiao obviously a dangerous little fighter. Just didn't quite have the right style for Floyd as I've always said. Still he touched Floyd so that it was felt a couple times.

People need to wait for this fight to rest until May 2nd 2016 before we start talking about it again.

SRL easily won that fight against Hagler? FOH If u like pure boxers with only defense as they leading strenght, good for you. (i'm not saying SRL was this, he was way more than this) But don't try to tell us that the fight was "easy work" because it wasn't. 95% of the people who watched that fight agreed that was a close fight, and a good one. Just an quick info. Leonard went up to MW to fight the boogeyman (Hagler). that's why his W was so great. It's like Maywheather going to fight GGG. It's nothing like Mayweather going to fight GGG. Floyd turned pro at a lower weight, and Floyd is 38. SRL was on the verge of turning 31.

10-20 years time the public will see it as a very close fight like I did. Ha! Can you guys keep this up another twenty years?

This is an eccentric point of view. You're free to have your own point of view, even if it differs wildly from what most people think. Almost nobody in boxing thinks that Leonard "easily" won the fight. I'd say half of true boxing fans think Leonard barely won it or it was a draw, and the other half think Hagler won it, or it was a draw. Contrast this with Mayweather/Pacquaio. Where almost everybody feels secure that Floyd won the fight quite obviously. You know who think SRL won easily? Skip Bayless. You know who think Manny won? Skip Bayless. Skip knows jack **** about boxing but apparently he's not alone out there.

Pac could have won if he was rocking Mayweather every other round. Instead he was content with keeping a boxing rhythm with him 90% of the time. To beat Mayweather you have to do what Maidana did to Broner. That's not gonna happen though. Mayweather is tried and true. I knew he was great ever since he outboxed a highly motivated Golden Boy. Mayweather is too sharp. If Pac tried to put more hands on him he would have got lit up. Jab, jab, right hand, left hook.

To beat the champion you have to take his title. Especially Money May. You can just box him and leave it to the judges; you must run up on him and put it on him... only thing is, everyone who did that got knocked out. Mayweather can piece you up and run combinations on a ni.gga. TBE till the day I d-i-e that's no l-i-e.

:lol1: at the Floboners getting all defensive :rofl: deep down they know it was a lot closer than people make out when they rewatched it... but because of the half decade of animosity they're exaggerating how convincing the win was... I said it would be a close affair and the winners would claim it was a shutout... to be fair the Pac hardcore would probably do the same..

10-20 years time the public will see it as a very close fight like I did.

This is an interesting comparison and having a brief read through this thread, I feel many are becoming worked up over the closeness of the fight, Hagler/Leonard not Mayweather/Pacquiao. I do agree with the majority that the original superfight from the 1980s was far closer and competitive than the coming together of capitalism and greed in Las Vegas last month. However, I still believe it was a clear win for Ray Leonard, no matter how close and competitive the fight may have been. I was at ringside and many people couldn't pick a winner (my good friend Mr Jeff Powell only had a single point separating the two, whereas I had 2 points in favour for Ray) but I have always held the believe that Ray did enough to win, even if Hagler, the most Marvelous of middleweights, made it tough as hell. Having said all that, the lack of competitiveness in Mayweather v Pacquiao does not defeat the point that the TS is trying to make. Maybe he is been caught up in some of the arguments in this thread but there are a fair few similarities. First off, the timing of the bouts. Everyone at the time agreed that Leonard v Hagler could have taken place at least 3 years earlier and would have been a far better fight. Leonard after all was a more complete fighter in the early 80s than he was when he returned to the ring. Hagler too, was a supreme technician with an engine like a freight train and power to boot. The fight was delayed due to an unfortunate injury and a possible reluctance on the part of Leonard to return. In the case of Mayweather and Pacquiao, the fight was also delayed, maybe a half decade too late. Pacquiao, the great puncher of his generation was no longer the feared monster of lore and Mayweather, once so flaccid in wanting the fight, was now the instigator. The reasons for the delay may be different but the fights were not what we had all hoped for. The second similarity is in the coming together of two of boxing's most sought after style matchs ups: the bull versus the matador. Now, both Hagler and Pacquiao are more than just reckless, offensive monsters, these are men that can counter punch and box from the outside when they want to but their default setting is destroy. Leonard, a far more complete pugilist than Mayweather, could be an offensive missile too (just ask Tommy Haerns) and Mayweather himself, with his limited offense can be an aggressor. However, both men, when push comes to shove, like to stay out of trouble and make their opponent miss. The styles gelled far better in 1987 than they did in 2015 but that is not to take away from the fact that the two styles were so similar. So, yes, I can see the similarity between the two super fights but it is clear one was a far superior exhibition of the sweet science, whereas the latter was the perfect representation of so much of modern sport: all pomp and circumstance with very little substance. Just my two pence.

LOL. This is a good sign. One step closer to the acceptance stage. Maybe by the end of the year. I hope you don't think I'm one of those fighter fans who think Pacquiao won or whatever...Maybe read my original post and my posts over the course other last 2 years. If you think otherwise then I will bury you with what I know about the sport. so stfu and go back at playing gangbanger.

SRL easily won that fight against Hagler? FOH If u like pure boxers with only defense as they leading strenght, good for you. (i'm not saying SRL was this, he was way more than this) But don't try to tell us that the fight was "easy work" because it wasn't. 95% of the people who watched that fight agreed that was a close fight, and a good one. Just an quick info. Leonard went up to MW to fight the boogeyman (Hagler). that's why his W was so great. It's like Maywheather going to fight GGG.

Is there another thread comparing the biggest fight of the 2010s with the biggest fight of the 1980s? If not, then you can go back to jail for not paying alimony to your upteenth child with some fat ass hoe. looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Another reaches the bargaining stage :lol1: LOL. This is a good sign. One step closer to the acceptance stage. Maybe by the end of the year.

Another reaches the bargaining stage :lol1:

I'd agree with you if Leonard simply "ran", running is what Dirrell does lol. SRL outboxed Hagler, he made him miss, made him pay and then was out of range again. Leonard was literally throwing out combinations of punches while on the move. His faded legs meant that he had to often fight with his back against the ropes and even then Hagler couldn't effectively control SRL. Are you talking to me? I agree, Floyd Mayweather won quite easily. I predicted he would (albeit in a better fight) some 2 years ago. Manny Pacquiao is fading and fading fast. the JMM KO was a huge dent to the great fighter. I also always say, that SRL beat Hagler and did so quite easily. SRL had his way with the great middleweight. That's why I'm comparing to two fights. Yes the 80s match up had more action and was definitely more fun but in terms of clash of styles and dominance of victory(imo anyway), they couldn't be more similar. Not to mention the fight would have been better if it had taken place some 4 years earlier. This is an eccentric point of view. You're free to have your own point of view, even if it differs wildly from what most people think. Almost nobody in boxing thinks that Leonard "easily" won the fight. I'd say half of true boxing fans think Leonard barely won it or it was a draw, and the other half think Hagler won it, or it was a draw. Contrast this with Mayweather/Pacquaio. Where almost everybody feels secure that Floyd won the fight quite obviously.

I'm going from my memory of watching the fight live. There was no Internet back then and not even VCRs to record and playback a fight. So one view was all you got. No chance at second guessing or watching replays in slow motion. I will never give a runner the win when he is trying to win the title from the current champ. If Leonard had been the champion going into that fight, I would have no problem giving him the win as he defended well. But in my book it takes offense and aggression to take a title. You have to BEAT the champion to win his title, not avoid getting beaten. But that's just me. Your opinion may vary and is just as valid. I'd agree with you if Leonard simply "ran", running is what Dirrell does lol. SRL outboxed Hagler, he made him miss, made him pay and then was out of range again. Leonard was literally throwing out combinations of punches while on the move. His faded legs meant that he had to often fight with his back against the ropes and even then Hagler couldn't effectively control SRL. Well, I'll tell you what. Keep this up for another 20 or 30 years and maybe you will have 5% of boxing fans in agreement with you that Pacquiao won. Maybe in another 20-30 years after that you can have 10% of boxing fans convinced? Are you talking to me? I still am not sure who won the Hagler/Leonard fight, it was so close. I've watched that fight at least 5 times. It's obvious that Leonard was gaming the judges with his little flurries of activity at the end of each round after a couple of minutes of pure running away. On the other hand, Hagler was totally unable to hurt Leonard or impose his will onto him, which he should have been able to do. Virtually nobody (except Roberto Duran) expected Leonard to do so well, or even survive. This too had to have swayed the judges. Contrast this with Mayweather, who easily beat Pacquaio in EXACTLY the kind of fight that most of us expected. We all knew Pac would struggle to land meaningful blows on Floyd. We all knew Floyd would rack up the winning rounds and waltz off with a UD that nobody except the most ridiculous *******s could even begin to disagree with. No drama, no action, no fun. I agree, Floyd Mayweather won quite easily. I predicted he would (albeit in a better fight) some 2 years ago. Manny Pacquiao is fading and fading fast. the JMM KO was a huge dent to the great fighter. I also always say, that SRL beat Hagler and did so quite easily. SRL had his way with the great middleweight. That's why I'm comparing to two fights. Yes the 80s match up had more action and was definitely more fun but in terms of clash of styles and dominance of victory(imo anyway), they couldn't be more similar. Not to mention the fight would have been better if it had taken place some 4 years earlier.

I still am not sure who won the Hagler/Leonard fight, it was so close. I've watched that fight at least 5 times. It's obvious that Leonard was gaming the judges with his little flurries of activity at the end of each round after a couple of minutes of pure running away. On the other hand, Hagler was totally unable to hurt Leonard or impose his will onto him, which he should have been able to do. Virtually nobody (except Roberto Duran) expected Leonard to do so well, or even survive. This too had to have swayed the judges. Contrast this with Mayweather, who easily beat Pacquaio in EXACTLY the kind of fight that most of us expected. We all knew Pac would struggle to land meaningful blows on Floyd. We all knew Floyd would rack up the winning rounds and waltz off with a UD that nobody except the most ridiculous *******s could even begin to disagree with. No drama, no action, no fun.