Marvin Hagler underrated?

...In closing though, he is still the last on my list of the fab four. That's not an insult considering that being one of those guys is an amazing feat. When it comes down to it, I did not really like his style or his attitude and I let that reflect in my opinion of him as a fighter which I apologize for. Now I will go pry this foot from my mouth. How can Hagler be the last on your list of the the fab four? He fought the other three: -- ass-raped Hearns -- cruised over Duran (who admittedly was no middleweight, though one of the top 2 or 3 LW's of ALL TIME, and the only guy to beat a prime Leonard) -- and at the end of his career, well past his prime, lost on points in a very controversial Leonard fight. (Leonard is one of the greatest boxers who ever lived.) He fought all three, and nobody ever beat him for real. Ever. Even prime Leonard can't say that.

He isn't underrated by me. I don't even much like the guy but always put him as my pick for history's best middleweight and he pretty much racked up the creds to make that pick look pretty non-subjective. IOW....he was little hyped as he came up and learned and earned it on the job the hard way.

Oh he wasn't as popular, but I don't fault him for that. Of the fights I have seen of him against Leonard, Duran and Hearns, he just did not seem very versatile. Not knocking his chin or his power. Both were great. And I don't think being one dimensional is an insult. Lots of fighters are but they make it work. I have seen his fights with Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Mintor, Mugabi, Hamsho. Where was the versatility? He does the same thing every fight. It worked for him. Big deal. http://files.sharenator.com/tumblr_l8gay24qdG1qzo6t6o1_500_Stumbleupon_Pic_Dump_3-s500x375-128155.jpg

I can't think of a better MW historically. At all. Maybe 3-4 on his level. But nobody better.

I have seen his fights with Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Mintor, Mugabi, Hamsho. Where was the versatility? He does the same thing every fight. It worked for him. Big deal. So you watched Hagler's last two fights and the Hearns and Duran fight? That explains it. You obviously didn't watch his first fight with Hamsho when Hagler outboxed him and cut him up. Or his fight with Roldan, Briscoe, Antuofermo, Sibson I can go on and on. You claim to have watched six fights of Hagler to define his career. You don't know what you're talking about so you should stop trying. Watch these fights and point out where the come foward one dimensional slugging is. http://youtu.be/R8uNVMC_oMU Marvin Hagler vs Mustafa Hamsho I: http://youtu.be/w9CL4jaRtaE Marvin Hagler vs Bennie Briscoe: http://youtu.be/uR6n4LmFAxs

He had one style- straight forward with decent head movement, winging power shots. Hey, it worked for him. One dimensional is not really an insult, but I never saw him do anything differently. Joe Frazier, George Foreman and a young Manny Pacquiao were one dimensional as well, but it worked for them. It's not really an insult. I do say that Pacquiao no longer is however. He developed many other abilities along the way. Hagler did not need to have more dimensions. What he did worked for him. And he's in the HOF with the other fab four. He had a granite chin and great power. I just don't believe he had the range of Leonard, Hearns or Duran. Take it easy. Geez. This is a perfect example of a person who only watches one fight of Hagler and it's always the Hearns fight.From that they decide Hagler was just a slugger. If you speak on things you don't know sh.t about you can expect to get bashed for it. This is just sheer ignorance.

I don't see how he's underrated, everybody who knows the sport is aware he was a great fighter. Always listed as one of the best MWs and southpaws of all time. I think he's just not in the media as much as Duran, Leonard and Hearns are today so you rarely see pictures or interviews of him.

Not underrated at all. One of the greatest middleweights EVER.

he reason does not get mentioned with the others is that he was one-dimensional while the other three clearly were more well-rounded. Besides he got lucky that Hearns broke his hand, fought a bloated Duran and got made a fool out of by Leonard. He is the least talented of the four. I disagree!!!!! On the contrary he was very versitile and could do really anything in the ring, that way he reminds me of Holyfield. He could box at any distance and he could brawl, plus he could switch his stance and with all that said he was more than one-dimensional. The reason I believe he's not as much praised is that he wasn't a flashy fighter and none of his skills (and nothing from his life story for commercial purpose) that would stand out. Let me explain myself on it right away: I mean all of his skills were on a very high level but most of his skills were on the same level that nothing stood out in particular. Beside his skills, he had the one of the greatest chins, very strong and was a GREAT warrior, really tough and rugged man. Leonard was known as a stand out amateur, with great hand speed, Duran a little man with a hart of a lion, powerfull puncher and also very fast and Hearns, very tall for a welterweight with an incredible punching power. Hagler had most of these things except speed but nothing stood out, plus he wasn't as attractive commercially.

R. Seales B. Watts W. Monroe M. Colbert K. Finnegan B. Briscoe M. Geraldo A. Minter M. Hamsho C. Lee Sibson W. Scypron R. Duran Roldan Hearns Mugambi V. Antuofermo Hagler fought the best competition in his era and was THE dominate Middleweight!! Ray

He had one style- straight forward with decent head movement, winging power shots. Hey, it worked for him. One dimensional is not really an insult, but I never saw him do anything differently. Joe Frazier, George Foreman and a young Manny Pacquiao were one dimensional as well, but it worked for them. It's not really an insult. I do say that Pacquiao no longer is however. He developed many other abilities along the way. Hagler did not need to have more dimensions. What he did worked for him. And he's in the HOF with the other fab four. He had a granite chin and great power. I just don't believe he had the range of Leonard, Hearns or Duran. Take it easy. Geez. This level of retardation can't even make me laugh. Why don't you try watching a Hagler fight besides Hearns? He has a decade of dominance to pick from.

So much of Marvin's early career was spent chasing the name fighters...and the powers that be,waiting for him to fail. If he had the backing and promotion of Sugar Ray,there would be no doubt of his placement in the highest of the high. As it stands with me,of the four...he is number one. It's got nothing to do with backing and promotion. One guy was fighting and beating genuinely great opposition at or near the peak points of their career, while the other resided over a weak era of middleweights.

Underrated? By Who? People on this forum? That means absolutely NOTHING! Hagler greatness is one that NOBODY can question because he fought EVERYBODY and if he felt he did not kick your a$$ good enough the first time he would fight you again to leave NO DOUBT!

If ya don't know ya just don't know.... All losses and draws avenged, except for srl, and we all know what happened there... Mr. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, the killer from Newark, NJ, my town, repped correctly...

What's Hagler's claim to fame? Leonard, Duran, Hearns & Mugabi. In Middleweight fights! And what were these guys???? Why is a MW lumped in with a bunch of Welterweights in the Fab Four? Great MW, no question. But he's a legend by name association. It's like GGG waiting on the Pacquiao's and Mayweather's to move up and get butchered!

Alright, thanks for the replies. Interesting to hear what everyone thinks, maybe just in England he's the least mentioned.

He's not underrated. Most rank him higher than Hearns, as do I.

Interesting. I never considered Hagler to be underrated by either serious or casual fans. I think he receives the respect he deserves.

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Hagler was not one dimensional at all. He was a well rounded southpaw who could counter and box wonderfully and had the chin and power to go to war if he had too. Silly people. thank you these stupid nub fans don't know ****