Your life on the line.
Prime Muhammad Ali vs a random Heavyweight champion(in his prime)
or
Prime Roy Jones Jr vs a random Light Heavyweight champion(in his prime)
My arguement vs the op is
you asked with our life on the line.
Ali lost the biggest fight in boxing history
fair and square after all that mouthy talk.
Got dropped..
Roy lost maybe 5 rounds in 15 Yrs...from 154 to 205..
beat that.
Given that there are more HW champions post 1980 as there are champs in the rest of HW history, and the fact that I can't think of really any single post 80's HW champ that Ali could CLEARLY beat, most of them easily punching his lights out, I think Roy is the obvious choice.
I can't see Roy losing to many options at all really.
In fact I think a LHW, CW or HW Roy would beat the living crap out of Ali himself!
Ali was a featherfist cruiser punch bag. Fact!
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Ali was 6'3, weighed around 210-213 (roughly) in or near what is considered his prime (as far as I know) and has 37 KO's out of his 56 wins. He was hardly featherfisted, was technically way over the Cruiser limit and was far from a punchbag in those years. What are you talking about bro?
Roy because light heavy division has always been sh1t so roy has a very high chance of winning. In heavy there are killers
Dude. LHW is stacked. Look on the bright side. You have a lot of great boxing to learn still.
Roy always does well in fantasy fights. So does Ali. Ali however, has real fights to back up his claim having fought and beaten much the better opposition, so I'll go with him. I fact there isn't a single HW in history where Ali has a less than 50% chance of winning. The same cannot be said about Jones.
That tool still hasnt answered me..
If you were the same size as roy and you picked anyones skills at 175 ever... what would be your gameplan to beat roy on his best biggest night????
Still waiting...
all i got was a newbie saying bob foster ...so whats the game plan bob ????
Watch mike quarry outbox foster in spots..slow un coordinated and goofy. Then watch this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPU5qFJAJGg
Well lets see.. ruiz is a top 15 maybe top 12 heavyweight overall as a 90s 2000s heavyweight
Bob foster doesnt do anything more spectacular then ruiz.
ruiz also fought better comp p4p..
But bob foster is the guy that would beat prime roy jones jr.
speed power reflexes quickness a pioneered style bob never fought vs. P4p number 1 best fighter of his era and undefeated for 15 years beating better fighters the bob foster..
Roy doesnt get the division credit. He gets the p4p credit. Not only mythologically but also actuality ..154-205
yeah that dont mean squat huh...
Roy retires instead of destroying his body after ruiz in the move down he was being regarded as top 12 ever....
Gtfoh with this average overated bob foster. ..
You seriously overate bob foster
and underate roy jones jr.
Maybe if roy took more vacations and never took a risk
he would be higher on your list ...
You made a comparison between Ruiz and Foster. I'm still waiting for your explanation for that. You seriously underrate Foster if anything.
So wins over a green Hopkins and an out of shape James Toney make you the greatest? Not 4 wins over Jake Lamotta? Not Sadler for beating Willie Pep how many times?
Jones has NO claim
Le
You seriously overate bob foster
and underate roy jones jr.
Maybe if roy took more vacations and never took a risk
he would be higher on your list ...
Roy didnt have a glass chin. Thats a common misconception.
I mentioned he lost 30 pounds of muscle due tonpride to face tarver at 175 instead of having tarver come to 201.
He lost punch resistance due to the lack of water in his brain.
dawson just did it from 175 to 168 .drained himself.
whats the difference between ruiz and foster??
Roy in his prime clearly beat 2 ATGs with ease.
He stepped up to the plate and won convicingly.
Ali ran his mouth and lost that fraizer fight fair and square.
Love how the man goes undefeated for 15 years like it dont matter...
What's the difference between Ruiz and Foster? Is that a serious question?
So wins over a green Hopkins and an out of shape James Toney make you the greatest? Not 4 wins over Jake Lamotta? Not Sadler for beating Willie Pep how many times?
Jones has NO claim
Le
Lmao. Your a newbie .. those arebgreat fighters you mentioned... you dont think p4p roy beats them on his best night.
your saying pep and saddler beat roy. Your saying roy who started at 154 couldnt beat lamotta at 160. Thisbisbgetting good. You chose ali. And fact is Ali lost the biggest fight ever in boxing you tool..youtube it,like you did lamotta srr 4 times..
James toney is bad man. Hopkins as well. If hopkins was green so was canelo for floyd. If toney was out of shape. So was oscar for floyd.
Ali vs fraizer 1. Watch the whole fight. ALI LOST .Which means in turn ,your life on the line Ali had to fight fraizer and he lost..your life gone... cause Ali on his biggest night Failed to back up his talk .Fact newbie
The guy that made a comment on taking a nap while roy does his thing...
Co sign.
no one beats roy from 154 to 200 on his best night.only guys who have a chance are the top 20 heavys...
While Ali struggles with norton fraizer and lays on the ropes till foreman tires himself out roy dont credit for beating two ATGs clearly. His best night he showed up. But this tool says but toney was out of shape for his biggest fight of his life.. should ran a few more laps huh. Lmao
Roy didnt have a glass chin. Thats a common misconception.
I mentioned he lost 30 pounds of muscle due tonpride to face tarver at 175 instead of having tarver come to 201.
He lost punch resistance due to the lack of water in his brain.
dawson just did it from 175 to 168 .drained himself.
whats the difference between ruiz and foster??
Roy in his prime clearly beat 2 ATGs with ease.
He stepped up to the plate and won convicingly.
Ali ran his mouth and lost that fraizer fight fair and square.
Love how the man goes undefeated for 15 years like it dont matter...
On their best biggest nights ever ..
ALI LOST ...i love and adore both
Ali said the worst things ever to fraizer.
he was Ali. He was Boxing.
and fraizer knocked him down and beat him ...Ali isnt he greatest cause he is a killer or the true best ever...
ALI is the Greatest for all the categories in 1
Resume
longevity
accomplishments
Talent
skills
intangables
He is top 15 ever in true best ever...
ROY is the greatest p4p fighter ever on his greatest night...
he clearly beat 2 ATGs on greatest nights.
prime Roy is the best ever .
I love both fighters. I love walker smith.. roy is a different animal unseen.. he is a pioneer of the hardest style ever
and that only he can do it. Imagine you had anyones skills
on the planet ever and you were the same size as roy and had to fight him on his best night. Whats your game plan???
It took him going from 154 to 205 =51 pound gain over the coarse of a career winning a heavyweight title
and losing 30 pounds of muscle out of stupidity and
pride and 13 rounds of that destruction to his body
to get roy beat.... thats not his best time or night.
Roy can defend my life. ALI GOT FAIRLY BEAT
So wins over a green Hopkins and an out of shape James Toney make you the greatest? Not 4 wins over Jake Lamotta? Not Sadler for beating Willie Pep how many times?
Jones has NO claim
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